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#1 jetpower3
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Bad news. And this extends to any kind of message I get, whether it's pm, e-mail, or even regular physical mail and unknown phone calls. Evidently, I keep to myself a lot.

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#2 jetpower3
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Only until the said idea uses its monopoly on force against you. Good luck.

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#3 jetpower3
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[QUOTE="LaytonsCat"]

[QUOTE="Nengo_Flow"]I always forget Alaska even existNengo_Flow

I went there in the summer, I wish it didn't

Why the hell would anyone go there? Most Americans pretend it doesnt exist

I suppose some people find the nonexistent state income tax and sales tax to be appealing. I sure do.

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#4 jetpower3
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While corporations are obviously not animate, it becomes tough to draw the exact line when it comes down to the two main reasons that they exist:

1. To subdivide and transfer ownership among many investors as to be able to more easily raise capital, and by extension

2. To allow the owners to have limited liability.

The second is more important in a practical sense. Anyone can theoretically print up stock certificates and sell them to investors. But you'll be hard pressed to find any investor willing to personally take on the debts that might be incurred in bankruptcy, or any contingent legal liability (it can be potentially far more than what they invested, and they would never know it).

Which is what begs the question. If a corporation goes bankrupt or gets sued, is it to be treated as a person or an entity? And how does that spread to other issues of person vs. object/entity? If a corporation is not a person, and yet no living person has legal or total financial liability, it tends to get very tricky.

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#5 jetpower3
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[QUOTE="jetpower3"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]i wonder how this will effect the countless people banned for these very reasons?Baconbits2004

Well, you can't bring back the dead. Someone who was lawfully hanged in a witch hunt is just as dead as someone lawfully hanged for murder. The rules change over time, but the dead are still dead.

Quick question...

Do you believe Jandurin to be a witch?

No, but even if he was, I'd still abide by the fact that it is not relevant to the question.

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i wonder how this will effect the countless people banned for these very reasons?Jandurin

Well, you can't bring back the dead. Someone who was lawfully hanged in a witch hunt is just as dead as someone lawfully hanged for murder. The rules change over time, but the dead are still dead.

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#7 jetpower3
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The reality of the stock market is that individual investors get raped. I know "get raped" is a term that gets thrown around a lot even for minor screw-overs, but I really do mean it in the full sense of the term in this case. Unless you do stock broking as your career, you are going to get absolutely **** on by everyone else. Look at what the banks did with the subprime loan market. They told ordinary investors who trusted the advice of professionals that the portfolios were golden, when in reality they were deliberately engineered to fail. Or look at CNBC and John Cramer's track record of screwing over anyone dumb enough to take their advice. Keep in mind too that unless you're already in a financial position where you can throw around tens of thousands of shares at a whim and absorb heavy losses (which WILL happen btw), you cannot make any serious cash in the stock market. Doing what most people do where they just invest in several hundred shares of a few companies can only, at best, net you several thousand dollars in profit (maybe in the lower 5 figures if you're lucky). Meanwhile you could lose just as much, if not much more, and the losses will probably hurt you much more than the profits will help you. The stories you hear of people getting rich from small investments in the stock market are about as common as people getting rich from winning the lottery, and the two really are comparable. Mutual funds are probably your only realistic bet as a middle class member, and even then keep in mind that your returns are going to be pathetic. And as much as mutual funds are portrayed as "safe bets", keep in mind that they too have been known to fail, if not deliberately engineered to fail in some cases. Like I've been saying this whole time, you really are trying to swim with sharks here.gameguy6700

What you describe is people doing something best known as "speculation", not investing. Investing is not taking professional advice as being golden, and certainly not investing in complex derivatives like mbs's. Anyone who takes their time to understand exactly what they are getting into can realize good returns (and many have, at least a lot more than you imply). Will it necessarily make you rich? No, and most definitely not in the short run. Is it risk-free? Not at all, the closest thing to risk-free in this world would be bonds/bills from stable and solvent governments (which pay pathetic returns). You can lose all of your invested money, but you can also do quite well. Is investing stacked in favor of those who already have money? Most certainly. Anyone that already has power/money can use it to gain more power/money. I concede that you might need sizable capital to make any material amounts of money. But if you're that lacking in cash, you should save up your money first (which I realize might not be the most viable activity at this time). $1,000 for instance will not make you a lot, unless you get in on the ground floor of some really big start-up (but that's another story).

However, all of that said, one can still do well in the market over the long term, and apart from mutual funds. Stock market sharks are only scary if you pay attention to the noise and short term fluctuations they make, or if you invest blindly and in things you don't understand (i.e. derivatives or companies with complex business models that involve them). Investing is not to be treated like playing the lottery or gambling. That by definition is speculation. You must take it for what stock is: ownership in a company. Or in this case, ownership in companies with strong fundamentals and/or growth potential (and maybe with aligned technicals if you really want to time yourself well).

Finally, how can stock market losses hurt "much more" than any gains if you practice proper risk management, are reasonably diversified, and do not invest anything that you cannot afford to lose? You can only lose what you invest (unless you're short or leveraged), and even then you will not lose your entire principal unless the company goes bankrupt (in which case the company probably wasn't a good idea from the get-go). You may not see it, but there's a method to the madness.

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#8 jetpower3
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can you refer me a book or a site. i am really interested in investing in stock but no clue how to startvirtuas

Well as far as websites go:

google.com/finance

finance.yahoo.com

investopedia.com

seekingalpha.com

morningstar.com

online.wsj.com

bloomberg.com

ycharts.com

reuters.com

sec.gov

There's really an endless amount of web resources devoted to this. The stock market is one of the largest monetary based markets in the world, and making money consistently isn't exactly easy, especially in this environment. It's actually incredibly hard to outperform the market consistently, and there's many who believe that it's not possible.

If you want to read a book, check out The Intelligent Investor by Benjamin Graham and I think along with all of those websites that will keep you occupied plenty for now.

If you find a company that you like, analyze the **** out of it. Do take credence to both sides of the question, and keep emotions out. Don't let greed or anything but pure, cold logic on both a micro level (the company) and a macro level (the business type, industry, overall economy) sway your decisions. If you invest in anything you don't understand very well, you by definition are speculating, and that's more akin to gambling.

Overall, be patient, be thorough, and once you invest, be vigilant. Good luck.

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#9 jetpower3
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Does that mean they loved his get-up in Mario 3? Or is it the same thing?

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#10 jetpower3
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

I recognized the speech from Full Metal Jacket.

TehFuneral

I'm really tempted to watch the movie now, is it any good?

You should definitely see it if you have not.

But the one in your sig is better when it comes to great war movies.

Maybe Gaza should see both of them.