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#1 kipohippo021
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[QUOTE="kipohippo021"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Muslim isn't a race...it's a religion.

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That dosent stop racism. Again, some more ignorance coming from people today.

It can't be racism if it's not a racial issue. Are you calling me ignorant?:|

No im not. But people still are racist towards muslims. Why? I dont know.

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#2 kipohippo021
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I dont see attraction wrong at all. Even if its upon a young child. But acting on that is illegal and morraly wrong imo. But in your case, she looked to be older, so i dont see that as a problem really. Even if you had acted upon it, the law might say otherwise.
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#3 kipohippo021
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[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

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In that case, why is it okay for Muslims to build a 15-story mosque near Ground Zero when I take it as a personal insult? If they're not allowed to impose their religion on me, then I shouldn't have to put up with that ****

You arent "putting up" with anything... Its the muslims who have to put up with racism and false accusations of terrorism. Them simply having a mosque/community center is freedom of religion. If you find it offensive, thats your problem. Its not a outright attack on you, just them trying to live peacefully.

No, it's my problem because I am personally insulted by it. This mosque is being imposed upon me. According to you, that's disturbing and wrong.

How is simply existing imposing anything on you?
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[QUOTE="kipohippo021"] You arent "putting up" with anything... Its the muslims who have to put up with racism and false accusations of terrorism. Them simply having a mosque/community center is freedom of religion. If you find it offensive, thats your problem. Its not a outright attack on you, just them trying to live peacefully. LJS9502_basic

Muslim isn't a race...it's a religion.

That dosent stop racism. Again, some more ignorance coming from people today.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kipohippo021"]

My point was that society cannot function that way....I wasn't talking specifics. As I said above...I'm not getting into another gay marriage argument nor another religion argument. Thus....I only pointed out what doesn't work. Carry on....LJS9502_basic
But stuff that endangers the public is the stuff thats illegal or looked down upon. Like drugs, stealing, murder ect. Gay marrige is viewed from a personal (religious) standpoint. So imposing your religion on others is obviously not okay. Its imposing a certain aspect of a religion upon another.

Not everything that is illegal is "bad stuff". And gay marriage is NOT only an issue with the religious. I really dislike that comment. I've known plenty of people that weren't religious in the least and were against gay marriage. Anyway...society makes the rules and the only thing I can tell you is if you don't like them...find a society you do like. Will things change...probably. But until then you have to deal or as I said...find a friendlier society. But they all have problems....

Thats why i said personal as well, but not allowing gays to marry is an attack on thier way of life. Which is obviously protected by law. If you belive marriage is only between a man and a woman, i wont argue with you. But when you try to impose that on others... thats when i have a problem.
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#6 kipohippo021
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[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

My point was that you can't just slap a "religion" label on Nazism and expect it to be protected by the First Amendment. When Muslims are praying their mosques, that's just fine. But when they're recruiting jihadists in their mosques, that shouldn't be protected.

As we have no proof that will happen in this mosque, we have no legal standing to prevent it from being built. Again, what is your point?

My point is that if we do find out that this mosque starts to recruit jihadists, we should be able to storm in there and tear it down without being called bigots.

If they are working with terrorists, then yes.
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[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

[QUOTE="kipohippo021"]

My point was that society cannot function that way....I wasn't talking specifics. As I said above...I'm not getting into another gay marriage argument nor another religion argument. Thus....I only pointed out what doesn't work. Carry on....LJS9502_basic
But stuff that endangers the public is the stuff thats illegal or looked down upon. Like drugs, stealing, murder ect. Gay marrige is viewed from a personal (religious) standpoint. So imposing your religion on others is obviously not okay. Its imposing a certain aspect of a religion upon another.

In that case, why is it okay for Muslims to build a 15-story mosque near Ground Zero when I take it as a personal insult? If they're not allowed to impose their religion on me, then I shouldn't have to put up with that ****

You arent "putting up" with anything... Its the muslims who have to put up with racism and false accusations of terrorism. Them simply having a mosque/community center is freedom of religion. If you find it offensive, thats your problem. Its not a outright attack on you, just them trying to live peacefully.
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[QUOTE="kipohippo021"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I'm not getting into the gay marriage argument....I'm bored with that topic...it's done to death...and I'm anti marriage to start with. Nonetheless....that was tradition in cultures without the Abrahamic God. I just wanted to clarify that one point.

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But i wasnt stating anything about the gay marrige argument. I realize you were just stating that fact, but these people are activley imposing thier opinion on others. People who love eachother very much, cant marry because people oppose it.

Okay......there are some problems with that as your choice of debate strategy. How about cousins that can't marry? Or multiple partners? Someone a year to young to legally marry? Etc...

If they love eachother, why not? The only problem i have with incest is a mutated child. But if both people agree, why not let them? I certainly dong agree with incest, but im not stopping others from the pursuit of happiness. Multiple partners and being too young to marry i still do not see a problem with in the slightest.

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[QUOTE="kipohippo021"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Society doesn't function that way.....

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When its stuff that endangers the general public, no. But both cases do nothing to the general public.

My point was that society cannot function that way....I wasn't talking specifics. As I said above...I'm not getting into another gay marriage argument nor another religion argument. Thus....I only pointed out what doesn't work. Carry on....

But stuff that endangers the public is the stuff thats illegal or looked down upon. Like drugs, stealing, murder ect. Gay marrige is viewed from a personal (religious) standpoint. So imposing your religion on others is obviously not okay. Its imposing a certain aspect of a religion upon another.

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[QUOTE="kipohippo021"]So, when two people agree to gay mariage, and they want to get married, why cant they? Im not saying that you belive that, but why cant people leave others alone? State your opinion and stand your ground. But dont impose it. LJS9502_basic

I'm not getting into the gay marriage argument....I'm bored with that topic...it's done to death...and I'm anti marriage to start with. Nonetheless....that was tradition in cultures without the Abrahamic God. I just wanted to clarify that one point.

But i wasnt stating anything about the gay marrige argument. I realize you were just stating that fact, but these people are activley imposing thier opinion on others. People who love eachother very much, cant marry because people oppose it.