Not Bluray nor HD-DVD has announced that they will support Deep Color............

 http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1975596,00.asp

"Although the "deep color" provision was added with the next-generation Blu-Ray and HD-DVD specifications in mind, no formal announcement of support has been made by either camp."

I have got a motorola blue tooth headse that came with my pink razor phone (im female not a girly boy!) will this do?danianddan

It's supposed to work,  since it's Bluetooth.  But i'm sure some Bluetooth headsets work better then others..

Just get any bluetooth headset. 

HEre you go, take your pick.  These are UK stores too.

Bluetooth Headsets in UK

[QUOTE="rexoverbey"][QUOTE="jdang307"][QUOTE="rexoverbey"]DVD doesn't even support Lossless Audio. Plus no game on PC,PS3, or 360 have that anyway. BD is using uncompressed PCM audio, though with a lower sampling rate... so it's not what you would call true loseless. 3-4 titles with Dolby TrueHD tracks. FYI - This is a true loseless codec with bitrates up to 8mb/sec. This COULD come to Blu-ray, though it's virtually impossible on a 25gig disc with MPEG2 video. The Blu-ray camp has some serious catching up to do on the software side of things. As thedigitalbits.com's Bill Hunt says, "HD DVD is making Blu-ray look pretty silly right now."jdang307

The PS3 is not only capable of streaming 16bit audio...Every Fox movie is 24 bit,  but it's DTS-HD Master Audio and no Bluray player can currently decode DTS-HD MA...

But there are still movies with 24 bit uncompressed LPCM (not TrueHD or DTS-HD MA),  Pearl Harbor, Chicago,  Dinasour, Enemy of the State, Ladder 49, The Prestige, & The Wild .

Nine Inch Nails is 24bit TrueHD,  and PS3 does decode TrueHD.

Anyway,  PS3 plays those movies exactly as they are meant to be played,  with 24bit uncompressed audio 

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="DaddyDC650"][QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="DaddyDC650"][QUOTE="SeanBond"][QUOTE="DaddyDC650"][QUOTE="casinater"][QUOTE="DaddyDC650"]

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For starters, the 360 Elite will only support the HDMI 1.2 specification, as opposed to 1.3, which is the latest and greatest (and ships with the PS3). 1.3 adds support for the transmission of Dolby TrueHD, which is a lossless multi-channel audio (PCM) format being used on top-end HD-DVD discs.

In a forum post, Microsoft techie Amir Majidimehr suggests that "If you are keen on having 5.1 PCM output, I recommend purchasing the Toshiba A2 player which after the price drop, will be much cheaper than Elite," which we suspect isn't quite the company line.

Additionally, when using HDMI the resolution on the 360 will be forced to 1080p, regardless of the display resolution of the device it is actually being connected to, which could result in unnecessary image downscaling or, at worst, lack of picture.

However, that's not all the interesting Elite gossip. Whilst the decision not to include an HD-DVD drive in the unit has annoyed some, Microsoft seems to be suggesting that its because a Blu-ray add-on unit could be made available for the console at a later date. In an interview with GamesIndustry, Europe boss Neil Thompson suggests that when it comes to movies, "Im not sure the market has moved to high definition yet... And if and when it does, then the way that we've constructed the offering we've made means we'll be able to go whichever way we want."

Is that a hint at an add-on Blu-ray player, should Sony's proprietary format win the HD war?

The market for HD movies is in a precarious position at the moment, and whilst Sony would like to think that the PS3 is a great trojan horse for Blu-ray, world wide sales don't yet give credence to that argument. Microsoft seems to be hedging its bets, but the so-so hardware upgrade for the Elite isn't really helping its cause.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38648

DaddyDC650

do you know how many tv's support 1.3?...let me tell you...zero...that's right zilch....and the ones that are coming out are so expensive..it's ridiculous....DaddyDC650

Sorry, I'd rather save $120+ than be forced to buy a blu-ray player which may or may not become the industry standard. Besides, who gives a crap about memory card readers?!? What exactly do you need these for? I bought a 360 to play GAMES, not to stare at my digital pictures. I'll admit that Wifi is convenient (although it is true that wired is better), if you can easily pick up HDMI cables on the cheap (the cow argument for why the PS3 not having any in the box is okay), why not go to ebay, and get the wireless adapter for cheap too? Sorry, for an "elite" system, the PS3 not including HDMI or even component cables is pretty pitiful. You get both in the Elite. And not to be repetitive, but seriously, GAMES. Cows always seem to list all the accessories on the PS3 instead of any virtues it has as a gaming console. Why is that? I'm guessing because they're not sure what virtues those are, right now. It seems to me Microsoft is backing up their end of the "HD feature packed console" deal...

USB WiFi adaptor is $12 bucks online...

The PS3 charge kit is half-assed anyway, you cant even play and charge at the same time, and isn't that we are complaining about? Half-assed attempts for bullet points?

PS3 does not upscale DVD's, Xbox 360 upscales up to 1080p via HDMI.

Xbox 360 with a HD-DVD Drive comes with HD Cable, Headset, HD Movie, & HD Remote Control. PS3 comes with none of that.

HDMI 1.3 is pointless, it's not the reason the Elite 360 can't output TrueHD

Any receiver with HDMI 1.1 or better can output uncompressed audio, it's the players job to unzip the TrueHD file and turn it into uncompressed PCM, not the receivers.

But yes, your right, no Lossless audio for the 360 is a huge mistake IMO

1. It's 12 dollars :lol:

2. Play and charge with a 2 foot cable? :lol:

3. And Until then it's still a feature the PS3 doesn't have.........

4. But you bragged about the PS3 having BD

2.Your complaining because of the lack of Lossless audio with the HDMI 360 because its half assed...How is that any different then a half assed play and charge kit with a 2 foot wire?  

 3.  The current 360 does upscale DVD's via VGA...............................PS3 does not upscale DVD's in any way.

4.  If it would have come with the built in HD-DVD player for $479,  then it would not come with a HDMI Cable, HD Movie, HD remote, or Headset, that you get when you purchase seperatley.   Hell they probabley even would have gotten rid of the scaler and then it wouldn't upscale DVD's or games.  There is always going to be a trade off.  

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="DaddyDC650"][QUOTE="SeanBond"][QUOTE="DaddyDC650"][QUOTE="casinater"][QUOTE="DaddyDC650"]

Quote:

For starters, the 360 Elite will only support the HDMI 1.2 specification, as opposed to 1.3, which is the latest and greatest (and ships with the PS3). 1.3 adds support for the transmission of Dolby TrueHD, which is a lossless multi-channel audio (PCM) format being used on top-end HD-DVD discs.

In a forum post, Microsoft techie Amir Majidimehr suggests that "If you are keen on having 5.1 PCM output, I recommend purchasing the Toshiba A2 player which after the price drop, will be much cheaper than Elite," which we suspect isn't quite the company line.

Additionally, when using HDMI the resolution on the 360 will be forced to 1080p, regardless of the display resolution of the device it is actually being connected to, which could result in unnecessary image downscaling or, at worst, lack of picture.

However, that's not all the interesting Elite gossip. Whilst the decision not to include an HD-DVD drive in the unit has annoyed some, Microsoft seems to be suggesting that its because a Blu-ray add-on unit could be made available for the console at a later date. In an interview with GamesIndustry, Europe boss Neil Thompson suggests that when it comes to movies, "Im not sure the market has moved to high definition yet... And if and when it does, then the way that we've constructed the offering we've made means we'll be able to go whichever way we want."

Is that a hint at an add-on Blu-ray player, should Sony's proprietary format win the HD war?

The market for HD movies is in a precarious position at the moment, and whilst Sony would like to think that the PS3 is a great trojan horse for Blu-ray, world wide sales don't yet give credence to that argument. Microsoft seems to be hedging its bets, but the so-so hardware upgrade for the Elite isn't really helping its cause.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38648

DaddyDC650

do you know how many tv's support 1.3?...let me tell you...zero...that's right zilch....and the ones that are coming out are so expensive..it's ridiculous....DaddyDC650

Sorry, I'd rather save $120+ than be forced to buy a blu-ray player which may or may not become the industry standard. Besides, who gives a crap about memory card readers?!? What exactly do you need these for? I bought a 360 to play GAMES, not to stare at my digital pictures. I'll admit that Wifi is convenient (although it is true that wired is better), if you can easily pick up HDMI cables on the cheap (the cow argument for why the PS3 not having any in the box is okay), why not go to ebay, and get the wireless adapter for cheap too? Sorry, for an "elite" system, the PS3 not including HDMI or even component cables is pretty pitiful. You get both in the Elite. And not to be repetitive, but seriously, GAMES. Cows always seem to list all the accessories on the PS3 instead of any virtues it has as a gaming console. Why is that? I'm guessing because they're not sure what virtues those are, right now. It seems to me Microsoft is backing up their end of the "HD feature packed console" deal...

USB WiFi adaptor is $12 bucks online...

The PS3 charge kit is half-assed anyway, you cant even play and charge at the same time, and isn't that we are complaining about? Half-assed attempts for bullet points?

PS3 does not upscale DVD's, Xbox 360 upscales up to 1080p via HDMI.

Xbox 360 with a HD-DVD Drive comes with HD Cable, Headset, HD Movie, & HD Remote Control. PS3 comes with none of that.

HDMI 1.3 is pointless, it's not the reason the Elite 360 can't output TrueHD

Any receiver with HDMI 1.1 or better can output uncompressed audio, it's the players job to unzip the TrueHD file and turn it into uncompressed PCM, not the receivers.

But yes, your right, no Lossless audio for the 360 is a huge mistake IMO

1.  It's 12 dollars :lol:

2.  Play and charge with a 2 foot cable?  :lol:

3. And Until then it's still a feature the PS3 doesn't have.........

4. But you bragged about the PS3 having BD

[QUOTE="SeanBond"][QUOTE="DaddyDC650"][QUOTE="casinater"][QUOTE="DaddyDC650"]

Quote:

For starters, the 360 Elite will only support the HDMI 1.2 specification, as opposed to 1.3, which is the latest and greatest (and ships with the PS3). 1.3 adds support for the transmission of Dolby TrueHD, which is a lossless multi-channel audio (PCM) format being used on top-end HD-DVD discs.

In a forum post, Microsoft techie Amir Majidimehr suggests that "If you are keen on having 5.1 PCM output, I recommend purchasing the Toshiba A2 player which after the price drop, will be much cheaper than Elite," which we suspect isn't quite the company line.

Additionally, when using HDMI the resolution on the 360 will be forced to 1080p, regardless of the display resolution of the device it is actually being connected to, which could result in unnecessary image downscaling or, at worst, lack of picture.

However, that's not all the interesting Elite gossip. Whilst the decision not to include an HD-DVD drive in the unit has annoyed some, Microsoft seems to be suggesting that its because a Blu-ray add-on unit could be made available for the console at a later date. In an interview with GamesIndustry, Europe boss Neil Thompson suggests that when it comes to movies, "Im not sure the market has moved to high definition yet... And if and when it does, then the way that we've constructed the offering we've made means we'll be able to go whichever way we want."

Is that a hint at an add-on Blu-ray player, should Sony's proprietary format win the HD war?

The market for HD movies is in a precarious position at the moment, and whilst Sony would like to think that the PS3 is a great trojan horse for Blu-ray, world wide sales don't yet give credence to that argument. Microsoft seems to be hedging its bets, but the so-so hardware upgrade for the Elite isn't really helping its cause.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38648

DaddyDC650

do you know how many tv's support 1.3?...let me tell you...zero...that's right zilch....and the ones that are coming out are so expensive..it's ridiculous....DaddyDC650

Sorry, I'd rather save $120+ than be forced to buy a blu-ray player which may or may not become the industry standard. Besides, who gives a crap about memory card readers?!? What exactly do you need these for? I bought a 360 to play GAMES, not to stare at my digital pictures. I'll admit that Wifi is convenient (although it is true that wired is better), if you can easily pick up HDMI cables on the cheap (the cow argument for why the PS3 not having any in the box is okay), why not go to ebay, and get the wireless adapter for cheap too? Sorry, for an "elite" system, the PS3 not including HDMI or even component cables is pretty pitiful. You get both in the Elite. And not to be repetitive, but seriously, GAMES. Cows always seem to list all the accessories on the PS3 instead of any virtues it has as a gaming console. Why is that? I'm guessing because they're not sure what virtues those are, right now. It seems to me Microsoft is backing up their end of the "HD feature packed console" deal...

USB WiFi adaptor is $12 bucks online...

The PS3 charge kit is half-assed anyway,  you cant even play and charge at the same time,  and isn't that we are complaining about?  Half-assed attempts for bullet points? 

PS3 does not upscale DVD's, Xbox 360 upscales up to 1080p via HDMI.

Xbox 360 with a HD-DVD Drive comes with HD Cable, Headset, HD Movie, & HD Remote Control. PS3 comes with none of that.

HDMI 1.3 is pointless, it's not the reason the Elite 360 can't output TrueHD

Any receiver with HDMI 1.1 or better can output uncompressed audio, it's the players job to unzip the TrueHD file and turn it into uncompressed PCM, not the receivers.

But yes, your right, no Lossless audio for the 360 is a huge mistake IMO

[QUOTE="Darth_DuMas"]

Even if they did this, they would have to make the console itself extremely quiet, for it to be excepted in the audiophile world.

We're talking to the same level Pro music Computers are modded to be almost silent.

Plus why an Audio/videophile would use something like a 360/PS3 for this is beyond me. The components that Audio/videophiles use isn't just high tech, every aspect of the insides have been designed with the highest materials, the least interference and most solid construction to reduce vibration interference to a minimum. Not even the PS3 could live up to those standards.

Both are entry level players in that market. A proper player for audio or video would destroy the X360 or PS3.

Even using it for space saving reasons would be too much of a compromise.

LosDaddie

My thoughts exactly.

A "true" audiophile wouldn't be using an x360 for music.

You guys don't know what your talking about...There is absolutely nothing wrong with the PS3 as a BD player...Ok it doesn't do 1080p24,  but only one BD player does...And it cost over $1000 dollars...Ok it doesn't do DTS-HD Master Audio, but no BD player currently does,  and the PS3 probabley will with a firmware update...

Xbox 360 as a HD-DVD player on the other hand is getting on my nerves,  and unfortunatley,  i have no room for a standalone HD-DVD player in my AVRack,  a PS3, Xbox 360, Wii, Speaker, Receiver, and Satellite box will do that...

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For starters, the 360 Elite will only support the HDMI 1.2 specification, as opposed to 1.3, which is the latest and greatest (and ships with the PS3). 1.3 adds support for the transmission of Dolby TrueHD, which is a lossless multi-channel audio (PCM) format being used on top-end HD-DVD discs.  Not having HDMI 1.3 is not the reason Xbox 360 cant do lossless audio like TrueHD

In a forum post, Microsoft techie Amir Majidimehr suggests that "If you are keen on having 5.1 PCM output, I recommend purchasing the Toshiba A2 player which after the price drop, will be much cheaper than Elite," which we suspect isn't quite the company line. Yep he said that,  and my reply to that got deleted on that thread lol

Additionally, when using HDMI the resolution on the 360 will be forced to 1080p, regardless of the display resolution of the device it is actually being connected to, which could result in unnecessary image downscaling or, at worst, lack of picture. That's not true,  it's already been confirmed by Amir that you can choose whatever resolution you want

However, that's not all the interesting Elite gossip. Whilst the decision not to include an HD-DVD drive in the unit has annoyed some, Microsoft seems to be suggesting that its because a Blu-ray add-on unit could be made available for the console at a later date. In an interview with GamesIndustry, Europe boss Neil Thompson suggests that when it comes to movies, "Im not sure the market has moved to high definition yet... And if and when it does, then the way that we've constructed the offering we've made means we'll be able to go whichever way we want." Again,  Amir laughed at the prospect of MS ever releasing a BD drive for the 360

Is that a hint at an add-on Blu-ray player, should Sony's proprietary format win the HD war?

The market for HD movies is in a precarious position at the moment, and whilst Sony would like to think that the PS3 is a great trojan horse for Blu-ray, world wide sales don't yet give credence to that argument. Microsoft seems to be hedging its bets, but the so-so hardware upgrade for the Elite isn't really helping its cause.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38648

DaddyDC650

And yes,  no lossless audio blows,  i did a poll at avsforum.com that has over 5000 views,  77% of the voters are no longer getting an Elite 360 because it doesn't do lossless audio.  Check out the comments,  people are pretty pissed 

Link to Poll

Post from Member at avs "I believe that's their standard operating procedure. Release now, fix later. Me, I'm still "fixing" other MS products that don't quite work right.


What boggles my mind now that I think about is how absolutely close MS is, or could be, to actually owning the living room. They could have add-on HD-DVD drives, BD drives, an add-on digital TV decoder, and whatever else you could want. The XB360 could truly be the center of a home media network. If I was in charge of their home product development group, I'd be moving mountains to get this done, even making a standalone breakout box for HDMI, coax out, whatever it takes. They have the resources to do this, and they would simultaneously own the home game arena, and the home entertainment arena in general. Your XB360 could also be the modern day WebTV (another MS acquired brand that languished). I don't honestly think big corporations understand how to make money by taking risks and making big plays; it's something that as they get bigger, they forget about.

If nothing else, all the R&D spent on the add-on gizmos could be recouped by introducing them into the PC marketplace also. Who would buy an HD-DVD drive if it was cheap, plug-and-play, and supported by official playback software for... you guessed it... genuine Windows Vista (or XP)? Oh, but then you have the HDMI problem. Another corporate moment of genuis. "Buy our stuff, but don't think we'll let you watch it."

Sony was hungry, and they took a big risk with their "game console". I laughed at them, I thought they were done for. But maybe they were right. They had the HD movies, they had the advanced output, they had the multiple SKUs that weren't crippled. They have the virtual world (in development). They have the folding at home, the Linux, the backwards compatibility. And even though I thought the XB360 was a shoe-in for the win, I have a PS3 now. And I have no interest in an XB360 because of this ongoing "we're only a game system" thing. I don't think that mind-set works anymore. Even the Wii is winning because it tries to place itself as a social experience, not just another magic box that makes things blow up on your TV.

XB360 may still have the lead, but what MS as a company seems to be destined to keep learning via pain, is that every moment you're not out there innovating and making things better, someone else is, and eventually they're gonna catch up to you."

Post from avs: "I'm so f*ing pissed that I've held back from posting till now because I woulda said some things that woulda gotten me kicked off AVS.

I swear, 3 hours ago, I was the biggest HD-DVD fanboy and Sony/Blu-Ray hater. Now....it seems I've entered the twilight zone. The PS3 has never looked so freakin' sexy. Love it or hate it, you MUST admit that they got it right the FIRST time. It seems MS made a shell that has to be updated every season of every year, and that has to be hooked up to "accessories" just for it to keep up with the Watanabe's. I used to agree with MS's "choice" argument, but now I know they think we're stupid.

Why put out an HDDVD drive in the first place? Because Sony had Blu-Ray...and even then, the HDDVD drive was heavily crippled. Why add 1080P in the first place? Because Sony had 1080P...and even then, the Xbox 1080P didn't look so great, and it was hit & miss depending on what TV you had. Why put out HDMI in the first place? Because Sony had HDMI on ALL SKU's...and even then, the Xbox HDMI will be nothing but a hole in the back of the console.

Don't you see?? MS thinks we're all stupid. It really had nothing to do with appreciating HDDVD or 1080P. It had nothing to do appreciating the virtues of HDMI. It was never about that. It was all simply Microsoft saying, "Just slap on those features...they're all too stupid to understand what they all mean anyway".

I remember when I first got my 360 and opened it up. One of the first things I did was watch that 360 propaganda promotional HD video that was stored on the hard drive...you know the one where the developers were beating off to the 360's "HD features", and how it was "bringing the HD era to gaming" or some crappy story like that. What a load of c(_)m.

I WILL be selling my Xbox HD-DVD drive TONIGHT and buying an A2 or XA2 from amazon TONIGHT. If I don't calm down, I'll probably ALSO be selling my 360 TONIGHT and buying a PS3 from craigslist. What nonesense!!! P.S....this is an angry "rant" and it is not really supposed to make sense. It is also not designed to solicit responses, so please read it and move on."