[QUOTE="mabris"]
If one attempts to display the full profile on a TV that only supports the limited profile, the TV will ignore values in the 1-15 range, giving washed out colors and a darker image. That's why the PS3 doesn't support the profile by default. It will however automatically enable features if connected to a compatabile TV via HDMI and that TV correctly communicates available features.

This full profile is only avaiable through HDMI 1.3. The XBOX only supports 1.2, and can't do this. It's graphics and video settings are basically just calibrations and enchancement filters.stray720

Reference Level or Black Level: If you're using the Xbox 360 Component HD AV Cable, the Xbox 360 VGA HD AV Cable, or the Xbox 360 HDMI Cable, then screen format options include Reference Level. The default setting, Standard, delivers the normal range of white and black levels that your TV or monitor supports. Select Intermediate to increase the level of white and black in the video output. Select Expanded to maximize black level. Reference level is sometimes used to make a picture sharper, and you can experiment with what format suits your viewing pleasure.XBox Site

You still can't use those on a TV via an HDMI cable though... It would only work when hooked up to a monitor via the VGA port.

[QUOTE="TheDarkDisciple"]

Yeah but what ps3 games support 1.3? I thought it was only used in Blu-ray movies. In fact, how many TVs support 1.3?

It doesn't make much of a difference right now.

ReverseCycology

Exactly. There's still a long way to go before every household have HDTVs with 1.3 compatible connections. Till then people are doing fine with what they have, SDTV, 1.2, just your good ol televisions.

It DOES make a differnce for those of us with compatible TVs now though (including you, according to your sig...)

Yeah but what ps3 games support 1.3? I thought it was only used in Blu-ray movies. In fact, how many TVs support 1.3?

It doesn't make much of a difference right now.

TheDarkDisciple

All games do. It's in the rendering done by the PS3, it's not limited to devloper support. I see a huge boost in IQ with it enabled.

[QUOTE="mabris"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"] All you gotta know you could buy an Xbox 360 with a hdmi cable in the package while no PS3 includes a hdmi cable in the package.bobaban

The Elite comes with an HDMI 1.2 cable.

Yes but his point was that the PS3 will provide a better image regardless if the HD cable comes with the 360.

Yeah I know that was his point, because him=me. I was just answering the question :)

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"] All you gotta know you could buy an Xbox 360 with a hdmi cable in the package while no PS3 includes a hdmi cable in the package.Jandurin

The Elite comes with an HDMI 1.2 cable.

All you gotta know you could buy an Xbox 360 with a hdmi cable in the package while no PS3 includes a hdmi cable in the package.

ReverseCycology

That's a HUGE adavatage since you can get a quality HDMI cable for $5

Especially since you get a rechargable controller, wi-fi and Blu-Ray in the PS3 box...

The GT fiasco over Full RGB has pointed out a capability of the PS3 over the 360: HDMI 1.3 compliance.

A normal video signal contains values of 16-256 for the red, green, blue and luminance values. This is the gamut many TVs support. A lot of newer HDTVs support a wider color gamut, under various trade names such as x.v.Color. This increases the available RGB and luminance values to 1-256. THis is the feature that the PS3 supports through it's Full RGB ans Super White settings.

This gives an availble range of 16.8 million colors. with the limited profile, you only get 14 million. That's 20% more colors. It also gives a similar increase in shades of brightness.

If one attempts to display the full profile on a TV that only supports the limited profile, the TV will ignore values in the 1-15 range, giving washed out colors and a darker image. That's why the PS3 doesn't support the profile by default. It will however automatically enable features if connected to a compatabile TV via HDMI and that TV correctly communicates available features.

This full profile is only avaiable through HDMI 1.3. The XBOX only supports 1.2, and can't do this. It's graphics and video settings are basically just calibrations and enchancement filters.