@lavamelon said:
Most vegans and vegetarians say its wrong to eat meat because its immoral to take away the animals life. Sounds reasonable on paper, however, there is another side to the story: if I buy a piece of meat, the farmer who raised that animal will use my money (that I paid for the meat) to buy food for the remaining animals that he still has on his farm. How do vegans expect farmers to raise thousands of animals unless there is money coming into the farmers bank account so he can purchase food for his animals?
If everybody on Earth went vegan, the farm animals we eat WOULD NO LONGER EXIST at all because there is no reason for a farmer to bother raising them anymore. What kind of farmer is going to say "okay, so I have hundreds of sheep on my farm, but I am going to continue feeding them and make myself go totally bankrupt because everybody on Earth is vegan and no longer buys animal products". Make absolutely zero sense. Farm animals would basically go extinct.
So if any vegans or vegetarians are reading this, I am interested in hearing your thoughts. I am curious to know how we are "saving" the animals lives by refusing to give our money to farmers who want to buy food or those animals to exist in the first place?
You are conflating Veganism, vegetarianism, and conservationists. Being a vegan does not mean you are a conservationist.
More importantly I don't think you watched Jurassic Park.....
There is a scene Ian Malcolm is Hammond are talking and Ian Malcolm is against the idea of the park. Hammond attempts the use the false equivalence of condors as an example. Stating that if he had achieved the same process Ian Malcolm would be all for it. Malcolm explains that the lose of natural environment through human expansion is what caused their extinction, not a geo-physical event.
In the same right, the idea of veganism is multi-facet. The farm animals no longer resemble their wild neighbors anymore than dogs resemble or behave as wolves. Through years of domestication this animals would be unable to survive and in reality represent entirely unnatural and domesticated breed where their ecological lost would not be felt because they technically shouldn't exist and in the numbers that they do.
Further the argument is not about "saving" the animals but rather the inhumane and unnatural treatment of these animals. Many vegans are actually fine with sustainably sourced and ethically sound meat sources. They simply choice not to utilize them for personal choices. The impacts of meat production are real ecological and economic drain due the inefficiency of meat production requiring multiple steps of passing nutrients.
That being said, I was a vegetarian for 7 years about 20 years ago and now very much enjoy all types of foods including meat. There's nothing wrong with enjoying meat. There's also nothing wrong with not enjoying it either.
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