one arbitration panel is meant for entertainment purposes. The other was formed because of Muslim immigration, and will increase in influence as the Muslim population increases. Cannot see how you are missing this crucial point either.

Agree to disagree.

You are comparing a reality TV show to a REAL lifestyle. Sharia law is very real. I am confused what you are trying to state here.

I have made my stance about Muslims quite clear. They do not belong in European nations, unless European THEMSELVES, choose to become Muslims. Not through immigration.

@Jacanuk:

You are muddying the water here.

The "sharia courts" are no more than a voluntary arbitration board, where anyone can voluntarily ask them to decide on a case and have it accepted as long as the decision abides by British law in any UK court.

It´s no different than Judge Rinder or Judge Judy who (shhhhhhh don´t tell anyone is not actually judges or an actual court)

No I am not. The sharia courts did not exist prior to Muslims coming to Britain. Do you think it will remain the same when the Muslim population surpasses that of the native Brit population? Use logic.

@horgen:

Since you bring up one specific case. You realize that greatly helped the wife, right? She can thanks to this ruling legally claim her share of the assets they had. Now I know they are supposedly entitled to assets and support from their ex husband because of Islam, but this being UK, that could have been avoided by the husband unless the court ruled the way it did.

The reason I referenced this article is to demonstrate how the rule of law is changing. This is why I also linked the second article, which explicitly states how women are treated in a lesser manner than men under sharia law. That is facts.

Do I want to see Sharia based laws in my country? Hell no. Religion is a private matter imo and how you choose to practice it has to fall within what is legal in the country you live in.

You do not want sharia law in your nation, but you have no problem with your country being flooded by Muslims who support and even desire sharia law. European nations are democracy's/republics, which is based on individual voters. What do you think will happen when the majority of citizens are Muslim? Be honest.

The end results do not have to be the same.
Why don't we just agree to disagree on that?

The end results will be the same. History repeats itself. By allowing Muslims to integrate into our European nations, you are allowing them to change our systems. The end result will be no different than Muslim conquest of Europe throughout 1000ad. The only difference is we knew they were our enemies because they violently tried to change our ways. Whereas this time around, we are letting them in and they will change it from within.

Am I Islamophobic? Yes I am. I know what the religion has brought to my people after 400 years of slavery and suffering. I do not want them in my nation.
They are welcome to stay in their own nations, practice their beliefs, and build a great nation.

@horgen:

Are immigrants coming to US forcing US citizens into "re-education" camps? I don't like mass immigration, but there is a difference between mass immigration and immigration. And the whole China thing is within China. Not something you can directly compare with immigration between countries. But please do tell me how it is exactly the same.

There is no difference between immigration and mass immigration. One is quicker than the other... That's it. Immigration results in a slow demographic/cultural shift, Mass immigration is accelerated.... that's it. The chinese gov't is doing it in a blunt manner, whereas European gov'ts are changing it over time... The two different time periods require different methods to complete the job. Re-education camps and mass immigrations gets it done quicker than slow immigration rates and population replacement rates. Different methods, same outcome...

You can see this in Britain as Muslims are starting to be allowed to be governed by sharia law.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/01/british-court-recognises-sharia-law-landmark-divorce-case/
What happens when this democratic country becomes ruled by majority muslims (who btw, are immigrating)? Sharia Law.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3001087/sharia-law-uk-muslims-islamic-legal-system/
Pretty easy to see.

The problem is you refuse to acknowledge it leads to the same end result. What the chinese gov't is doing now is obviously horrible, and the actions are not comparable. But the end results will be the same...

I believe even the Irish fits under that umbrella in US. You don't get much whiter than that.

Except the Irish are not listed... You want to take a guess why?

Oh I almost forgot. Is the mass immigration of the Chinese increasing the crime rate in the Xinjiang province?

You answered this question for me by mentioning re-education camps, mass immigration, and forcing the Uyghers to change their culture. Pretty obvious to see

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@horgen:

The Uygher muslims faces more or less extermination. The Chinese government do not want them at all. I wouldn't compare the situation there with immigrants coming to US or different countries in Europe. Government in China wants to change the culture there, want to eradicate the muslims and claim the land as 100% Chinese from my understanding. Don't know if it fits under genocide, invasion, or just mass brainwashing. I might be wrong with this; I think China's government sponsor Chinese moving to the region there.

You can't expect me to take you serious with that type of reply. So mass migration of Chinese to a uygher Muslim location is not OK, but mass migration to European nations is? European Gov't is sponsoring immigrants as well..... They give them free housing and so much more. Our culture is completely changing, by FORCED immigration. Post me direct information citing the gov't stating they want to eradicate the Muslims. If you cannot cite any gov't documents, this is a conspiracy theory. I am following your logic here.

This is the EXACT same situation, you are just too blind to see.

Look at this disgusting bill passed in America
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-resolution-would-condemn-anti-semitic-and-anti-muslim-bigotry/

"The resolution denounces bigotry towards "traditionally persecuted peoples, including African Americans, Latinos, Native Americans, Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders and other people of color, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, the LGBTQ community, immigrants." It condemns anti-bigotry towards every group of people except white people. What the **** is the definition of "traditionally persecuted people" even mean? It's a disgusting agenda that is clearly anti-European, and it needs to come to a complete halt. Open your eyes dudes, its all anti-white/European....

And people ask why right wing parties are growing in popularity throughout Europe

@horgen:

Standardized system has its ups and downs. Doesn't equal to quality being lower. Generally though when it comes to treating medical issues, experience helps. A capitalistic system would price gouge to the extreme if only a few cases every year. There is no point for competition with 50 cases a year.

History says otherwise. Standardized systems do lead to lower quality. Just look at product/services in the US that have more regulations, or are standardized.... they cost quite a bit more. It makes logical sense. If something is standardized, what forces the provider to make better versions of it? Or lower the prices? Nothing. Of course there is a point to competition. If i can provide a product or service and profit off it, no matter how small the demand is, why would not I not do it?

Those links are bordering pseudo-science. If I am being kind in describing them.

I can link to Norwegian study(ies) at least and they show that simply labeling immigration equal to higher crime rate is as wrong as calling every single American an idiot because they do poorly in some international tests regarding reading and math. I'm not surprised Russians have a higher crime rate than Norwegians. Look to the Indians coming here, their crime rate is almost 50 % lower than Norwegians. Why should the Danish commit more crimes than us yet the Swedish do not? In the last 700 years or so we spent over 400 of them in some kind of union with Denmark. I could continue but this bordering rambling now.

Except its not pseudoscience. It never states DIRECT correlation. To deny that immigration does not increase crime is a pseudo-scientific claim of itself.... Crime will increase among immigrants with different ethnic/cultural backgrounds. When I posted the links, it was not to target specific groups, it was to demonstrate that immigrants do increase overall crime rates. Just look at the history of human beings man... Nations exist because of self preservation. Countries did not come to fruition because "hey **** it lets just make a country."

How about this question. Lets shift this type of issue to another nation. What about the Chinese Uygher Muslims? They have had mass migration of Chinese to their land, and their people/culture/livelihoods are being threatened as per the linked article. Should we just ignore this, because hey who cares, cultures shift?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-45474279

@Maroxad said:

@nattydaddy604 said:

@Maroxad said:

Looks at the global peace index.

I see no relation between ethnostates and peace. In fact, a good chunk of the most violent countries there are countries with strong ethnic majorities.

What I DO see however, is a strong correlation between quality of life/opportunities/secularism and peace.

>Talks about how his sources are verified, without manipulation of data

>Posts an obscure graphic with no verifiable or quantitative data and takes it to be verified

You can't make this shit up folks. I should make a youtube channel about leftists, and post this stuff. Conservatives and others will eat this shit up very nicely. Keep it up man, you're already at 6 meme worthy posts in one thread, this is awesome!

XD

If you were paying attention you would have known I was being non-conclusive.

Not to mention, I was merely going down to your level.

Nice try. I never posted an obscure graph like yours as evidence to prove an asinine point as your own.

Water under the bridge bud. You might rise occasionally, but you'll always go back to where you belong. Underneath me ;)