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[QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]i seriously want to see all you bachlor degrees in buiness and economic analyis, because as long as the rrod probem gets addressed microsoft has no problemEazyD91

THAT is Microsoft's problem: addressing the RRoDs after the warranty expires! Losing more money? Talking FUD with enough voodoo to fool the lemmings again? All the while with the PS3 cruising along with better looking games, superior hardware, blu-ray, and no RROD.

Wow, better "Looking" games, superior hardware "but overall no good games" cows :lol:

In 2008, with major exclusives coming, if you don't want to see "good games" on the PS3, that smile on your face will disappear.

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By then many consoles will have been older than 3 yrs and the warranty for Red Ring of Death will have run out. When RRoD hits, and consumer backlash begins anew, with RRoD headlines invading newspapers and the internet, what will Microsoft do? Will the 360 sales take a hit because of consumer resentment towards Microsoft?

Also, how will Microsoft respond to the superior games on the PS3, when developers have finally mastered the Cell processor?

xsubtownerx

How old are you? Does writing this make you feel good for buying a ps3? I don't care what you cows say usually but this is sad. There's just as many good xbox 360 games coming out this year than the ps3. I'm sorry to disapoint you. Here *gives some hay*

Old enough to have a well developed brain. You know, the kind of brain Microsoft doesn't like. You like my brain?

Purleeese. You dare talking about better games this year? Microsoft played up all their good cards last year. This year, it's Sony's turn. Give me hay? How about I give you a bad day by telling you I am smarter than you?

i seriously want to see all you bachlor degrees in buiness and economic analyis, because as long as the rrod probem gets addressed microsoft has no problemmlbslugger86

THAT is Microsoft's problem: addressing the RRoDs after the warranty expires! Losing more money? Talking FUD with enough voodoo to fool the lemmings again? All the while with the PS3 cruising along with better looking games, superior hardware, blu-ray, and no RROD.

Did you ever stop to think that 3 years just may be long enough to weed out the vast majority of machines that will RROD? It seems like the overwhelming majority that get the RROD do so fairly quickly, if the machine has worked for 3 years, I think the odds are pretty good that the machine is part of the at least 70% of 360's that didn't suffer from RROD. Steppy_76

Yes. The weeding out phenomenon helps, but definitely be not enough because the consoles are made from the same factories, using the exact same pieces and methods. More likley than not they still have a higher rate of failure than PS3's the same age. Microsoft can't get away with this. Who knows how many of those old consoles and refurbished ones are still in stores.

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[QUOTE="bigevil_rashek"] What....you can see the future? And i think the new 65nm chips will solve the rrod problems, and the 360 has a great game lineup in 08, which is all that matters.clone01

I cannot see the future, but I can see reality. The reality is that there will be millions of 360 consoles older than 3 yrs. The realitity is that those older consoles have more chance to break than the PS3 or Wii. That said, a high rate of 360 dying will still occur. That's reality.

Only games matter? Yes, if you don't have a broken console. Ask a friend or someone you know who went through an RRoD. You think they will tell you only games matter?

My console went down on me twice and got fixed twice for free. so I will tell you this, YES the games matter, it sucks that my 360 died twice so I miss a month of playing and got a free month on live for my troubles, its not the end of the world when the system breaks down. Damn dude, people have lives you know, if the system is broken, two weeks won't kill you.

I know at least 6 people who have had their system get the RROD, guess what? everyone of them still owns a 360, none are switching to PS3 or the Wii, all my friends own a 360, Im not switching to a system that only 3 of my friends have, while around 16 to 20 of my friends have a 360.

jesus. spend more time on productive things, instead of hating on a machine made of plastic and wires, don't you have brothers and sisters to talk to? friends to hang with?

all this hate and arguing is getting so old, same old Sh** everyone keeps arguing about, 3 years from now, all of you will still be arguing about the same crap, don't you guys get tired?

Microsoft fixed your and your friends consoles so far. That's because they are not yet 3 yrs old. What happens when your console breaks down and Microsoft wont fix it for you for free? That's right. Not many people are talking about this yet, the day when Microsoft won't care about the broken 360s. That day is coming closer and closer...starting this year even--2008!

i find it funny that you don't mention the possibility that maybe, just maybe, the 360 will have the issue of RROD resolved. meanwhile, any competitor's console will have been out of warranty 2-3 years.

Not funny if you are smart like me. All of the 360s older than 3 yrs in 2009 will be the old 360s, the original ones. You and most gamers aren't thinking about it right now. I am sure Microsoft is worried right now. Mark my words, the subject in this topic will be raised again in a year or so.

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[QUOTE="bigevil_rashek"] What....you can see the future? And i think the new 65nm chips will solve the rrod problems, and the 360 has a great game lineup in 08, which is all that matters.LEGEND_C4A

I cannot see the future, but I can see reality. The reality is that there will be millions of 360 consoles older than 3 yrs. The realitity is that those older consoles have more chance to break than the PS3 or Wii. That said, a high rate of 360 dying will still occur. That's reality.

Only games matter? Yes, if you don't have a broken console. Ask a friend or someone you know who went through an RRoD. You think they will tell you only games matter?

My console went down on me twice and got fixed twice for free. so I will tell you this, YES the games matter, it sucks that my 360 died twice so I miss a month of playing and got a free month on live for my troubles, its not the end of the world when the system breaks down. Damn dude, people have lives you know, if the system is broken, two weeks won't kill you.

I know at least 6 people who have had their system get the RROD, guess what? everyone of them still owns a 360, none are switching to PS3 or the Wii, all my friends own a 360, Im not switching to a system that only 3 of my friends have, while around 16 to 20 of my friends have a 360.

jesus. spend more time on productive things, instead of hating on a machine made of plastic and wires, don't you have brothers and sisters to talk to? friends to hang with?

all this hate and arguing is getting so old, same old Sh** everyone keeps arguing about, 3 years from now, all of you will still be arguing about the same crap, don't you guys get tired?

Microsoft fixed your and your friends consoles so far. That's because they are not yet 3 yrs old. What happens when your console breaks down and Microsoft wont fix it for you for free? That's right. Not many people are talking about this yet, the day when Microsoft won't care about the broken 360s. That day is coming closer and closer...starting this year even--2008!

Next year? As in 2009? yeah just put your crystal ball away plz.TheDarkDisciple

yes, 2009. I said next year or so--early 2009 to late 2009. There will be millions of 360s older than 3 yrs. Not crystal ball. A working brain. Yours working OK?

What....you can see the future? And i think the new 65nm chips will solve the rrod problems, and the 360 has a great game lineup in 08, which is all that matters.bigevil_rashek

I cannot see the future, but I can see reality. The reality is that there will be millions of 360 consoles older than 3 yrs. The realitity is that those older consoles have more chance to break than the PS3 or Wii. That said, a high rate of 360 dying will still occur. That's reality.

Only games matter? Yes, if you don't have a broken console. Ask a friend or someone you know who went through an RRoD. You think they will tell you only games matter?

[QUOTE="nogginkl"]

By then many consoles will have been older than 3 yrs and the warranty for Red Ring of Death will have run out. When RRoD hits, and consumer backlash begins anew, with RRoD headlines invading newspapers and the internet, what will Microsoft do? Will the 360 sales take a hit because of consumer resentment towards Microsoft?

Also, how will Microsoft respond to the superior games on the PS3, when developers have finally mastered the Cell processor?

ZIMdoom

To be fair, it is pretty much confirmed that the RROD is caused by overheating of the graphics chip. the GPU. MS has already announced (months ago) that the smaller, cooler, 65nm GPUs will be put into 360s before the end of 2008.

Whether or not that will completely fix the RROD problem? I don't know, but it will certainly do more than anything done so far.

Even the new consoles are about 10 times less reliable than the PS3 or Wii, according to an insider who leaked the Bungie leaving Microsoft news.

I am really talking about the consoles older than 3 yrs. Many, many will break. Many people will curse at Microsoft for knowingly selling them a shoddy console without making it clear to them about the risks.

By then many consoles will have been older than 3 yrs and the warranty for Red Ring of Death will have run out. When RRoD hits, and consumer backlash begins anew, with RRoD headlines invading newspapers and the internet, what will Microsoft do? Will the 360 sales take a hit because of consumer resentment towards Microsoft?

Also, how will Microsoft respond to the superior games on the PS3, when developers have finally mastered the Cell processor?