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The 360 is going to be $199 in 2009 so I guess it's only going to cost you $76 to get your system fixed.long_dong_goo

Something else to keep in mind.

If they're going to lower the price of the unit, the repair price should drop precipitously.

That would be a fair compromise to the warranty expiring.

Fair compromise? I don't think so. But it's up to those who get the RROD to decide. However, the Cows and sheeps with 3 yr old+ consoles will get a lot of milage out of laughting lemmings having to pay for a new console because they decided to buy an unreliable one from microsoft. See? Still a headache for Microsoft's makreting department.

[QUOTE="nogginkl"]

I am not talking about the newer models. I am talking about 3 yr old consoles that have already been sold. Those consoles will come back to haunt Microsoft. Also, the newer models are still very, very unreliable relative to the PS3 or Wii. Can I have more hay?

Steppy_76

Who taught you logic? That previous dude who dropped out of law school? Not WILL. WILL MOST LIKELY are the right words. Sure, the majority that survives for 3 yrs probabably have a smaller failure rate. What's the after 3yr failure rate? 20% 10% 5%? Use any of the 3 numbers i jsut gave you and find the number of consoles with RROD in 2009. That number you find are going to be the number of disappointed or angry gamers. It's the number Microsoft is losing sleep over.

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[QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]why would i bother betting 1000 with you, i could buy another system and some games with that moneyclone01

Good, something smart, coming out of your mouth. Or is it fear of the PS3 having the best looking game of the year, this year, next year, and beyond?

your fanboy shows with comments like this.

Purlesse. If you like to making that comment, you better get yourself a good chair and start copying and pasting that comment when you read this forum. Don't make make me feel so normal, man.

your posting history would say otherwise.

If I am a fanboy, then so bit it. AT LEAST WHATEVER I SAY IS READONABLE OR TRUE. When i am not talking smack to childish lemmings, that is.

i'm not a lemming, never have been. in fact, i plan on owning a PS3 in later 08-09. but i see the advantages and good in all consoles. you just seem to bash things that you are completely unqualified or unexperienced to comment on, judging by your history. and your profile looks suspiciously like a new account.

What??? You judge a person's knowledge and experience in the gaming world by how many posts they have on Gamespot? What have you been eating? Hay? That's for me. It's not good for you.

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[QUOTE="Steppy_76"]

Did you ever stop to think that 3 years just may be long enough to weed out the vast majority of machines that will RROD? It seems like the overwhelming majority that get the RROD do so fairly quickly, if the machine has worked for 3 years, I think the odds are pretty good that the machine is part of the at least 70% of 360's that didn't suffer from RROD. clone01

Yes. The weeding out phenomenon helps, but definitely be not enough because the consoles are made from the same factories, using the exact same pieces and methods. More likley than not they still have a higher rate of failure than PS3's the same age. Microsoft can't get away with this. Who knows how many of those old consoles and refurbished ones are still in stores.

no, actually they're not. MS has been experimenting with cooler chipsets, more efficient soldering, and deeper heatsinks for quite some time now. but i'm sure you knew that, since you have been so spot on with your crystal ball, there, Nostradamus.

Yes. I am talking about the 3 yr old+ consoles in 2009. They all were made by the cheap components. Right now, production wise, Microsoft has only made the 360s more reliable than the older ones, but still about 10% less reliable than the PS3. RROD is a very big problem for Microsoft and potential buyers should think about this when they buy the 360, because even the latest models are still less reliable than the PS3 or Wii. Potential buyers should think longer than 3 yrs.

so you're saying that newer components are more reliable. and, according to your logic, most of the old ones have RROD, and have been fixed. so the 360s are weeding out the faulty models. thus, in 2009, this isn't much of a problem. especially if, again using your logic, the newer models are 10% less reliable than the PS3, have been bought in late 2007, early 2008. that means that those newer, more reliable consoles are covered until 2010 and 2011, respectively.

No,no, no, no. Let's say there's a 33% chance of a 360 with RROD in 3 years. After 3 years, there are still 67% left! That 67% is Microsoft's headache, and the unlucky 360 owner's pain. Big pain, too, in the wallet, in pride, in not having a console to play while their friends are enjoying the most technically advanced games on the market. Microsoft's problems are only getting harder going forward.

no, you said yourself the newer models are 10% less reliable than the PS3. by your logic, the 33% have been fixed. the 67% aren't going to RROD, or a small percentage will, but that's standard wear and tear (remember, 33% failure).

I am not talking about the newer models. I am talking about 3 yr old consoles that have already been sold. Those consoles will come back to haunt Microsoft. Also, the newer models are still very, very unreliable relative to the PS3 or Wii. Can I have more hay?

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[QUOTE="TheDarkDisciple"]Next year? As in 2009? yeah just put your crystal ball away plz.xsubtownerx

yes, 2009. I said next year or so--early 2009 to late 2009. There will be millions of 360s older than 3 yrs. Not crystal ball. A working brain. Yours working OK?

Only that's not what you said. The title of this thread is "THE next year or so will be a marketing nightmare for Microsoft".

You might want to re-check what is actually working.

"The next year or so" falls in 2009, dude. That's what what I said. There's yet a lemming here who can debate with me and still earn my respect.

Cows are so quick to forget the past. If you owned a ps2, you really shouldn't talk. Because if you did, you know what happened. And it didn't happen to everybody, just like the 360 isn't breaking down for everybody like you so think it is, or will. You just hate MS and you want them to fail so that you can post on these meaningless forums about how your choice of console was the right one. *gives hay*

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[QUOTE="TheDarkDisciple"]Next year? As in 2009? yeah just put your crystal ball away plz.xsubtownerx

yes, 2009. I said next year or so--early 2009 to late 2009. There will be millions of 360s older than 3 yrs. Not crystal ball. A working brain. Yours working OK?

Only that's not what you said. The title of this thread is "THE next year or so will be a marketing nightmare for Microsoft".

You might want to re-check what is actually working.

"The next year or so" falls in 2009, dude. That's what what I said. There's yet a lemming here who can debate with me and still earn my respect.

Cows are so quick to forget the past. If you owned a ps2, you really shouldn't talk. Because if you did, you know what happened. And it didn't happen to everybody, just like the 360 isn't breaking down for everybody like you so think it is, or will. You just hate MS and you want them to fail so that you can post on these meaningless forums about how your choice of console was the right one. *gives hay*

The PS2's problem wasn't as major as Microsoft's RROD, which has been talked about all over press, more than two years after the launch. I come here to give Gamespot more hits so they can make more money from advertisements. I am doing my part to support Gamespot so you have a place to make a career out of giving people hay. Didin't I just give you a bad day?

[QUOTE="nogginkl"]

No,no, no, no. Let's say there's a 33% chance of a 360 with RROD in 3 years. After 3 years, there are still 67% left! That 67% is Microsoft's headache, and the unlucky 360 owner's pain. Big pain, too, in the wallet, in pride, in not having a console to play while their friends are enjoying the most technically advanced games on the market. Microsoft's problems are only getting harder going forward.

JTH_22

This is nothing but assumption and speculation on your part. Tell me where are you drawing your professional calculations from to predict this. Isn't it entirely possible that most of the faulty machines will be dealt with? Particularly with th new components going into the new machines and older faulty ones being repaired. Your statng this as inevitable when actually it's nothing more than wild unsubstantiated assumption on your part.

Microsoft doesn't give us the honest-if-not-true-you-can-sue-me number, so I go by the numbers a lot gaming sites report, corroborated by the insider who leaked the Bungie leaving microsoft event. The number is around 30%. This is not wild assumption. It's the number mostly cited in gaming sites.

It's possible yes, even a .0009 percent is still possible. But definitely unlikely that owners of a 3 yr old console with RROD will be compensated. That's why I started this thread--to get it out of my chest that Microsoft will have a headache and lots of gamers will be upset.

Actually most lemmings are saying it is greatly reduced...not completely fixed. With an expectation that it will be even further reduced this year.SUD123456

Reduced rate of RROD, maybe. But all the consoles in the marketplace now still have much higher rate of failure than acceptable electronics standards. So, angry gamers will give continue to give microsoft hell. To a gaming company, there's no wrath greater than a scorned gamer.

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[QUOTE="TheDarkDisciple"]Next year? As in 2009? yeah just put your crystal ball away plz.TheDarkDisciple

yes, 2009. I said next year or so--early 2009 to late 2009. There will be millions of 360s older than 3 yrs. Not crystal ball. A working brain. Yours working OK?

Just wait.... what, lemmings aren't allowed to say it? We have no idea what's going to happen. Not everything is set in stone, and i'm sure MS knows what they're doing. Maybe they will extend the warranty if they need to. But of course since your a cow it's natural to assume the worst for the 360. :|

They didn't even take back the RRODed consoles from EB Games Australia, a corporate company. Why would they help out a nameless dude who bet on on the wrong console? They already said, they feel the 3 yr warranty is enough. If they increase the warranty, good for the 360 owners. I have nothing against that. However, that's why I said it'd be a nightmare for them, to decide whether to lose another billion or so.

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[QUOTE="TheDarkDisciple"]Next year? As in 2009? yeah just put your crystal ball away plz.SUD123456

yes, 2009. I said next year or so--early 2009 to late 2009. There will be millions of 360s older than 3 yrs. Not crystal ball. A working brain. Yours working OK?

Only that's not what you said. The title of this thread is "THE next year or so will be a marketing nightmare for Microsoft".

You might want to re-check what is actually working.

"The next year or so" falls in 2009, dude. That's what what I said. There's yet a lemming here who can debate with me and still earn my respect.