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[QUOTE="alfy13"]i think Cd are enough space to run games. if pc's can use CD's then PS2 should also. but yet Sony forced us with a format no one cares for. Even VHS is out selling dvd's right now. I think next gen is better time for dvds to be used. i say down with sony for foricing us with a format no one cares for. musicalmac

Bluray requires an HDTV, DVD does not

That is a crucial difference. Believe it or not, he's right.

Actually he's wrong.  Blury does not require an HDTV.  It can be viewed on an SDTV. 

[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="Javy03"]

And when I got mine it came with my PS2...different people different preferences....I know DVD drives took a little bit after the PS2 launch before they became standard and thats when PC users decided to use that format.

Ontain

DVD's was the default next standard because the 2 previous sided agreed on it. it wasn't the ps2 that drove the market. it was inevitable. ps2 just helped it along a litte. blu ray is not the default. and also relies on ppl upgrading their tv as well. something the dvd didn't need to worry about.

because things don't happen overnight. but by the time everyone is ready the disc media might be obsolete. you see the cable companies don't care about the formats. they are pushing on demand.

dvd's are well established now. neither HDdvd or br sell even 10% of what dvd sell. they won't come close for years. in that time another digital distribution may take off. this is before br or hd dvd can even over take dvd.

see the difference?

Bluray or HD-DVD do not need to dominate DVD in order to provide a sizeable return for their creators.  A penetration of 30 to 35% should be plenty.    

i think i understand now:

Historical comparisons are only valid when they show the ps3 in a potential positive light...

thanks for clearing that up... :)

inflation has little to do with it as proven by the paultry sales of the ps3..

tango90101

No not at all.  I was simply pointing out that several consoles have proven successful when launched higher than $299 when adjusted for inflation.   For example, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics the original NES debuted in the US with a price tag of $477.10 in today's dollars.

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

[QUOTE="alfy13"]i think Cd are enough space to run games. if pc's can use CD's then PS2 should also. but yet Sony forced us with a format no one cares for. Even VHS is out selling dvd's right now. I think next gen is better time for dvds to be used. i say down with sony for foricing us with a format no one cares for. tango90101

Different contexts.

Besides, with PS1, we were already seeing a bunch of games on multiple discs in the middle of the console's life cycle. How many multiple DVD games did we see with the PS2 and Xbox?

How many are we seeing now? Maybe one or two coming up that we know of.

What you dont realize is how many games are altered or shot down because the current format is too small. A larger format cant hurt gaming, I truly dont know when gamers became so conservative because I remember the whole point of buying a new console was to get new technology.

A larger format can hurt gaming as it creates a price too big for most gamers to buy...

therefore the developers sell less games...

thus, yes.. HURTING the industry...;)

New technology cost money, when the PS2 launched it was $150 dollars more expensive then the $149 dreamcast and thanx to movies and PS2 making DVD mainstream for gaming we are enjoying alot of games that might have been shot down at conception like GTA and alot of other free roaming games.

and yet, the ps3 isn't selling well, thus leaving many developers with many, many unbought games...

even at $150 more than the DC it never broke the $299 barrier that successful consoles launch at...

no matter how you spin it; less games sold hurts the industry....

When you adjust for inflation several consoles have been successful over the $299 "barrier".  You simply can't cross reference prices from different years in a straitline comparison. 

We all know blue ray is a joke

Nugtoka

If you don't like it that's fine, but many of us really enjoy it, and HD-DVD, very much. 

This thread points to what I have been saying since the PSX was launched. Sony IS NOT, WAS NOT and NEVER WILL BE a game company. That's not their M.O. They are an ELECTRONICS company. Nintendo is a game company (Call them kiddy all you want), Sega is/was a game company. That's their primary focus.

Saying that the PS2, PSP and PS3 were/are trojan horses for new formats is a no brainer when you look at who's behind it all. I mean sure some great games are likely to slip through the cracks but that's neither her or there for Sony because they have their sights set on an entirely different target. The only reason you are hearing rumblings now about the corporate shuffle is because Sony didn't quite expect the reception that the Wii has been recieving, which could possibly put a major dent in their trojan horse blueprint.

Make no mistake about it, if things continue down this road in 08 through 09, don't expect to see a PS4. Quote me on that.

sinseers

Asian corporations can't be pigeon holed like that. Sony is a games corporation if they want to be and can be, and have been, successful at it. Sony also produces movies, hold insurance holdings, cell phone partnerships, and has a consumer credit and finance branch. It's quite common for Asian corporations to excel at varied operations. Hyndai makes cars, heavy construction equipment, and operates shipping congolomerates. Samsung makes everything from TV's, cell phones kitchen appliances, to solid surface countertops. Don't even get me started on Mitsubishi or Nissan.

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Ok OP I'm sure it's been said but just incase to answer your question...

first off the PSP. Sony wanted to promote their new media format = UMD. Sony wants you to buy UMD movies because they get royalties since the films are being put on their media format. Sony makes the PSP use UMD's. This jacks up the price of the system.

lots of ppl buy the PSP and therefore lots of people buy tons of UMDs = tons of $$$ for sony.

 

 

The PS3 is the exact same scenario. Sony wants everyone to buy blu-ray discs. This requires a blu-ray player. blu-ray players are hella expansive since they're brand f****ng new. Sony's dilemma- we need people to buy blu-ray players. Sony realizaton: a lot of people want to buy PS3s. Sonys dilmma: blu-ray players are expansive. Sony's realization: people really want the PS3 so they'd probaby be willing to pay alot for one. Sony's solution: make the PS3 use blu-ray disks!

Yes say it again and again... the PS3 is a fu***ing bargan. I know it is. But it's still really really really expensive when it doesn't have to be.

thenorminator

That pretty much sums it up. The problem is Sony like to take these big risks that could cost them millions of dollars. Even though Blu-Ray is selling better then UMD did, the format still isn't selling they way Sony though it would. They have over 3 million Blu-Rays in homes world wide, but can only sell 1500-2000 Blu-Ray movies a week for each title? These type of sales aren't making movie studios happy. Their profits are pennies compares to what they make with DVD's. DVD profits per disc is probably 4-5x's greater then Blu-Ray & HD-DVD.

Sales weren't great for DVD its first 1 year either. It's a new format and takes time to establish itself.

well DVD's could be played on any TV the user had unlike Hd-DVD and blu-ray you have to buy a HDTV to play it on

That's not true.  HD-DVD's and Bluray can both be played on regular TV's.