[QUOTE="The__MCP"]It's obvious that PS3 is a disappointment and PSP is going to lose to the DS. Let's be real about it, the main reason why Sony has had two very disappointing systems is for one reason: PRICE! These systems are not losing because of poor game selection. EVERY new console had crappy games at launch. You simply can't expect people to pay almost $300 for a handheld and almost $700 for a console. (I'm including the extra money for a game and any essential peripheries.) That's utterly ridiculous! Now... I knew the price points were ridiculous even though many internet fanboys were clueless. Although, I think its was majority opinion on the internet several years ago that the invasion of Iraq was a good idea, so yeah, I don't put much credence into what some anonymous internet dude thinks about the next console. BUT SONY... they should know better! What the heck were they thinking? Do their chief planners make so much money, that they aren't in touch with the average budget? Did they think people would want Blu-Ray THAT bad? Were they just arrogant? I think the last suggestion is most likely. Nintendo had this problem too when they refused obvious upgrades like games on CDs. Is it just the natural order that when you ride high for too long, you become careless and lose sight of the common sense ideas that succeed in the video game bizness? (Such as affordable consoles!)Cynicize

Apparently Sony didn't learn anything from the 3D0 debacle.

Wow. A 3DO reference on on page 1.  Come on give us a Betamax reference for posterity! 

[QUOTE="GsSanAndreas"]I stopped reading when you said disapointment, i realized this is a fanboy threadaxt113

It is a disappointment, it'll likely end up in third place this gen

There is no way to know that this early.   

[QUOTE="casey7672"]

Well since they're outselling HD DVD 9-2

Ontain

get with the times. HD DVD is back on top. the format war looks much closer than the console war right now.

Surely you're not basing this on that thread posted earlier are you? 

[QUOTE="musicalmac"]High prices hurt Sony. Nintendo prices things very well. A PSP and a Wii cost the same at launch- which would you buy? The small handheld, or the new console?axt113

Whose fault is that? If Sony would have played it smart they could have priced the PS3 and the PSP low and made a killing, Sony's own stupidity has given Nintendo the opening it needed

Then the PSP and the PS3 would have been lesser machines.  Some of us actually would rather have a steak than a cheeseburger and don't mind paying for it. 

[QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]

[QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"]Okay why the hell did you just post this. The link is to "The High Definition DVD Studio Support Petition Campaign" and the only thing they cite for sales is Amazon.com Europe top 10 titles. There's just nothing here at all. Blu-ray has more players out there and is selling more movies, period. I don't see why anyone is even in favor of HD-DVD considering Blu-ray is a better format and cannot fail due to having a huge userbase from PS3 alone. Not-A-Stalker

This is where mainstream consumers fail to see. It isn't about the userbase, it's about QUALITY. That reason alone is why HD-DVD is better. people see the sony name and assume it is the best or because it's in ps3, it has to be amazing. HD-DVD provides a better quality in visual AND sound and also has better extra's. The bluray only is better in the storage space, which is not that big of a deal for movies. For data it is, but no one is using 50 gigs on HD movies

They both use the same video codec. :| HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are both almost exactly the same, except when it comes to storage size.

Codec used is determined by the movie studio. 

[QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"]Okay why the hell did you just post this. The link is to "The High Definition DVD Studio Support Petition Campaign" and the only thing they cite for sales is Amazon.com Europe top 10 titles. There's just nothing here at all. Blu-ray has more players out there and is selling more movies, period. I don't see why anyone is even in favor of HD-DVD considering Blu-ray is a better format and cannot fail due to having a huge userbase from PS3 alone. DoctorBunny

This is where mainstream consumers fail to see. It isn't about the userbase, it's about QUALITY. That reason alone is why HD-DVD is better. people see the sony name and assume it is the best or because it's in ps3, it has to be amazing. HD-DVD provides a better quality in visual AND sound and also has better extra's. The bluray only is better in the storage space, which is not that big of a deal for movies. For data it is, but no one is using 50 gigs on HD movies

HD-DVD in and of itself does not provide better visual and audio quality. It, like Bluray, is merely a storage medium. The determining factor in PQ and AQ is quality of source content, transfer, and efficiency of the codec used. And I don't know where you're getting your data but most Blurays now take up more space than the single layer 25GB disc and use the 50GB dual layer disc. In fact, using more than 25GB for certain MPEG-2 encoded movies, such as Crank, have given the normally inefficient codec the bitrate it needs to perform well. That's why Crank's PQ is considered reference quality.

I find it quite ironic that the Wii's graphics are the target for ridicule when the PS3 is selling nowhere near what the Wii is. If graphics are so important, how does a logical person explain this?

It is simple, the majority has spoken with their wallets. Gameplay trumps graphics. I have ow concluded that the PS3 will not win the "console war". However, the Wii possibly can. The 360? When most games available on the PS3 are available on the cheaper console, it is only logical to conclude that the 360 wins.

The PS2 destroyed the competition. The PS3 will not.

IronMaidenLives

According to your reasoning Nsync is better than Jimmy Hendrix.  

[QUOTE="ramey70"]

[QUOTE="jimmygrace"]Gears of War, Madden NFL 07, Call of Duty 2 & 3, Saint's Row, and XBL.Not to mention the biggest 3 games of the year with Halo 3, GTA IV, and Madden NFL 08 this fall.Nugtoka

Only 2 of those are exclusive to the 360. What if someone doesn't like either of them? Are you saying in that case there is no reason to get a 360?

It doesn't matter if its exclusive or not. We all now that Multiplats look and play better on 360 so they might as well be exclusive.

What about College Hoops 2k7? 

Okay why the hell did you just post this. The link is to "The High Definition DVD Studio Support Petition Campaign" and the only thing they cite for sales is Amazon.com Europe top 10 titles. There's just nothing here at all. Blu-ray has more players out there and is selling more movies, period. I don't see why anyone is even in favor of HD-DVD considering Blu-ray is a better format and cannot fail due to having a huge userbase from PS3 alone. Lazy_Boy88

What makes Bluray a better format?