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#1 reilo
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Well, Blu-Ray is not just outselling HD-DVD in the hardware side of things, but it is giving it a firm whooping on the software end, too -- and this does not even count the Blu-Ray movie packins found with the PS3. From a strictly consumer buying perspective, Blu-Ray is outselling HD-DVD.
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#2 reilo
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[QUOTE="reilo"][QUOTE="ginazswordsman"]I think both were pretty poor but I voted for PDZ for the simple fact that it at least uses next gen special effects.ginazswordsman
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Not sure if you are agreeing or not but it's whatever.

To say that R:FoM does not use "next gen special effects" is an assinine statement in and of itself, but to dislike a game because of it just takes the cake. Play games, not graphics engines.
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[QUOTE="reilo"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="reilo"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="reilo"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="reilo"][QUOTE="JimJackJose"]HDMI is a unnecessary gimmick that has no impact on video games. Component cables have no issue at all transferring 1080p. It is the AACS copyright provisions that require a protected path for either Blu-Ray or HD-DVD to be played back through true 1080p. I guess it would only make a difference if your TV only supported one or the other. If I had to choose between one or the other, I would pick to have VGA output as most new tv's come with vga input standard now.-GeordiLaForge-
Digital connections are GIMMICKS? Are you serious? Digital connections are the right way to go because they offer 100% pure quality -- there is no disrepency in quality between the cables. That is the proper way of standardizing. I'm sure you probably think that ABS brakes are gimmicks, too, because regular drum brakes stop a car just fine. :roll:

It really depends on the tv or monitor. On some, analog signals look better. On others, digital signals look better. The only real advantage to a digital signal is the lack of interference. But have you ever seen interference through a VGA connection? Me either...

Whaaaaat? Have I ever seen interference through VGA? YES! Have you ever owned a computer monitor with a VGA connector? Those things can crap out on you in a few short years, and you will have major interference (discoloration, refresh rate problems, etc). As far as component signals looking better than digital signals? The only way that is possible if the TV with the HDMI connection is not calibrated properly or at all, and the one with the component is. The real benefit of HDMI (or anything digital for that matter) is that you will receive the exact quality no matter what the cable is or how lo... ng the cable is. A huge issue with analog cables is that the longer they are, the bigger the loss of quality.

I've owned about 20 computers with VGA connections, and I've NEVER gotten interference. You just described your monitor crapping out on you genius. I mean, c'mon. You're actually saying that VGA hardware craps out faster??? That's insane... And for your second paragraph. It's the hardware and calibrations in your tv that determine what the signal will look like. For instance, people say that VGA siganls look better than HDMI signals on Samsung LCD tv's. And I've never seen a "loss in quality" over VGA, EVER....

It wasn't my monitor that was crapping out, but the VGA cable. The pleasure of the older CRTs was that the VGA cable was built into the monitor, so it wasn't replacable like on modern LCDs where the cable is not built into it. You do not seem to understand that VGA = ANALOG, right? Any poorly made analog cable will have its shares of problems -- reduction in image/sound quality, reliability issues, etc. That's why digital is so damn great -- the quality of the image or audio is not dependant on quality of the cable! Your only worry is that someone does not cut your cable up in half. With digital connections, either you have the feed or you don't -- there is no inbetween. There is a difference between a $25 analog cable and a $100 analog cable -- that issue does not exist with digital connections.

What??? The length if time that ANY cable will last is determined by the thickness and quantity of wires in the cable. Even when it comes to HDMI. You're really reaching for something now. That's just insane! An HDMI cable lasts longer because it carries a digital signal, and not an analog???

Uhm... That is my point... the quality of the image through an analog connection is determined by the cable you use. With digital transfers you do not have that issue -- if the cable wears down, you will not lose quality, the signal will either be there or it won't. Is that such a hard concept to accept? You will not receive the same picture quality if you buy a $10 analog cable by an unreliable manufacturer, versus a $50 analog cable by a reliable manufacturer. That issue does not exist with digital connection cables. Why do you not understand that? Why do you not understand the fact that you can buy a working $25 HDMI cable or $250 on a working HDMI cable and that you will receive the same picture quality? The materials used in digital connections do not affect the signal. Period. Do you understand that?

That's funny. I can use any of my VGA cables with my monitor, and the picture looks the exact same.... thin, thick, expensive, cheap... it doesn't matter.... I've never gotten interference through any VGA connection on any monitor through any cable. I myself said that analog signals are more prone to get interference, but wires breaking and causing certain colors to turn off is not interference. I have NEVER gotten interference through a VGA connection, and I've been using them for 20 years.

Then what kind of interference are you talking about? From other hardware near the cable? Well that is an entirely different issue then. My entire point was that analog cables diminish in quality as time goes by. They also diminish in quality if they are made out of bad materials (gold vs copper pins, etc).
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[QUOTE="reilo"][QUOTE="JimJackJose"]HDMI is a unnecessary gimmick that has no impact on video games. Component cables have no issue at all transferring 1080p. It is the AACS copyright provisions that require a protected path for either Blu-Ray or HD-DVD to be played back through true 1080p. I guess it would only make a difference if your TV only supported one or the other. If I had to choose between one or the other, I would pick to have VGA output as most new tv's come with vga input standard now.JimJackJose
Digital connections are GIMMICKS? Are you serious? Digital connections are the right way to go because they offer 100% pure quality -- there is no disrepency in quality between the cables. That is the proper way of standardizing. I'm sure you probably think that ABS brakes are gimmicks, too, because regular drum brakes stop a car just fine. :roll:



You must have issues reading and comprehending. I stated clearly that HDMI for video games is a gimmick, how you take that as meaning all digital connections are a gimmick is beyond me. VGA is also a digital connection, a industry standard, and more then enough for 1080p.

Also, HDMI is far from being a standard at this point as HDMI is continually being revised. At this point HDMI is at revision 1.3 with 1.4 allready being worked on with a redesigned audio path in the specification.

Like I said, I would much rather have a long time industry standard VGA connection then a HDMI connection if I had to make the decision between the two.

VGA is NOT digital. It is ANALOG. DVI is digital.
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[QUOTE="reilo"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="reilo"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="reilo"][QUOTE="JimJackJose"]HDMI is a unnecessary gimmick that has no impact on video games. Component cables have no issue at all transferring 1080p. It is the AACS copyright provisions that require a protected path for either Blu-Ray or HD-DVD to be played back through true 1080p. I guess it would only make a difference if your TV only supported one or the other. If I had to choose between one or the other, I would pick to have VGA output as most new tv's come with vga input standard now.-GeordiLaForge-
Digital connections are GIMMICKS? Are you serious? Digital connections are the right way to go because they offer 100% pure quality -- there is no disrepency in quality between the cables. That is the proper way of standardizing. I'm sure you probably think that ABS brakes are gimmicks, too, because regular drum brakes stop a car just fine. :roll:

It really depends on the tv or monitor. On some, analog signals look better. On others, digital signals look better. The only real advantage to a digital signal is the lack of interference. But have you ever seen interference through a VGA connection? Me either...

Whaaaaat? Have I ever seen interference through VGA? YES! Have you ever owned a computer monitor with a VGA connector? Those things can crap out on you in a few short years, and you will have major interference (discoloration, refresh rate problems, etc). As far as component signals looking better than digital signals? The only way that is possible if the TV with the HDMI connection is not calibrated properly or at all, and the one with the component is. The real benefit of HDMI (or anything digital for that matter) is that you will receive the exact quality no matter what the cable is or how lo... ng the cable is. A huge issue with analog cables is that the longer they are, the bigger the loss of quality.

I've owned about 20 computers with VGA connections, and I've NEVER gotten interference. You just described your monitor crapping out on you genius. I mean, c'mon. You're actually saying that VGA hardware craps out faster??? That's insane... And for your second paragraph. It's the hardware and calibrations in your tv that determine what the signal will look like. For instance, people say that VGA siganls look better than HDMI signals on Samsung LCD tv's. And I've never seen a "loss in quality" over VGA, EVER....

It wasn't my monitor that was crapping out, but the VGA cable. The pleasure of the older CRTs was that the VGA cable was built into the monitor, so it wasn't replacable like on modern LCDs where the cable is not built into it. You do not seem to understand that VGA = ANALOG, right? Any poorly made analog cable will have its shares of problems -- reduction in image/sound quality, reliability issues, etc. That's why digital is so damn great -- the quality of the image or audio is not dependant on quality of the cable! Your only worry is that someone does not cut your cable up in half. With digital connections, either you have the feed or you don't -- there is no inbetween. There is a difference between a $25 analog cable and a $100 analog cable -- that issue does not exist with digital connections.

What??? The length if time that ANY cable will last is determined by the thickness and quantity of wires in the cable. The SIGNAL is analog, not the cable. You're really reaching for something now. That's just insane. An HDMI cable lasts longer because it carries a digital signal, and not an analog??? :lol:

Uhm... That is my point... the quality of the image through an analog connection is determined by the cable you use. With digital transfers you do not have that issue -- if the cable wears down, you will not lose quality, the signal will either be there or it won't. Is that such a hard concept to accept? You will not receive the same picture quality if you buy a $10 analog cable by an unreliable manufacturer, versus a $50 analog cable by a reliable manufacturer. That issue does not exist with digital connection cables. Why do you not understand that? Why do you not understand the fact that you can buy a working $25 HDMI cable or $250 on a working HDMI cable and that you will receive the same picture quality? The materials used in digital connections do not affect the signal. Period. Do you understand that?
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I think both were pretty poor but I voted for PDZ for the simple fact that it at least uses next gen special effects.ginazswordsman
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#7 reilo
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[QUOTE="reilo"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="reilo"][QUOTE="JimJackJose"]HDMI is a unnecessary gimmick that has no impact on video games. Component cables have no issue at all transferring 1080p. It is the AACS copyright provisions that require a protected path for either Blu-Ray or HD-DVD to be played back through true 1080p. I guess it would only make a difference if your TV only supported one or the other. If I had to choose between one or the other, I would pick to have VGA output as most new tv's come with vga input standard now.-GeordiLaForge-
Digital connections are GIMMICKS? Are you serious? Digital connections are the right way to go because they offer 100% pure quality -- there is no disrepency in quality between the cables. That is the proper way of standardizing. I'm sure you probably think that ABS brakes are gimmicks, too, because regular drum brakes stop a car just fine. :roll:

It really depends on the tv or monitor. On some, analog signals look better. On others, digital signals look better. The only real advantage to a digital signal is the lack of interference. But have you ever seen interference through a VGA connection? Me either...

Whaaaaat? Have I ever seen interference through VGA? YES! Have you ever owned a computer monitor with a VGA connector? Those things can crap out on you in a few short years, and you will have major interference (discoloration, refresh rate problems, etc). As far as component signals looking better than digital signals? The only way that is possible if the TV with the HDMI connection is not calibrated properly or at all, and the one with the component is. The real benefit of HDMI (or anything digital for that matter) is that you will receive the exact quality no matter what the cable is or how lo... ng the cable is. A huge issue with analog cables is that the longer they are, the bigger the loss of quality.

I've owned about 20 computers with VGA connections, and I've NEVER gotten interference. You just described your monitor crapping out on you genius. I mean, c'mon. You're actually saying that VGA hardware craps out faster??? That's insane... And for your second paragraph. It's the hardware and calibrations in your tv that determine what the signal will look like. For instance, people say that VGA siganls look better than HDMI signals on Samsung LCD tv's. And I've never seen a "loss in quality" over VGA, EVER....

It wasn't my monitor that was crapping out, but the VGA cable. The pleasure of the older CRTs was that the VGA cable was built into the monitor, so it wasn't replacable like on modern LCDs where the cable is not built into it. You do not seem to understand that VGA = ANALOG, right? Any poorly made analog cable will have its shares of problems -- reduction in image/sound quality, reliability issues, etc. That's why digital is so damn great -- the quality of the image or audio is not dependant on quality of the cable! Your only worry is that someone does not cut your cable up in half. With digital connections, either you have the feed or you don't -- there is no inbetween. There is a difference between a $25 analog cable and a $100 analog cable -- that issue does not exist with digital connections.
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[QUOTE="vistamanV5"][QUOTE="reilo"][QUOTE="vistamanV5"][QUOTE="reilo"][QUOTE="vistamanV5"][QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="vistamanV5"][QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="Danm_999"]Unfortunately for Sony, we live in pre-Hi-def world. The Hi-Def format player is useful to nowhere near as many people as the increased HDD capacity. Also, I suppose they forgot about the Basic pack because a) It isn't available in all regions (PAL) and b) there are more Premium units available, making it the standard.

Unfortunately for Microsoft, they're realizing we're quickly transitioning into a post Hi-Def world. "We don't need HDMI" LOL! What a joke.

You do realize the visual difference between HDMI and component is very slim right and the only reason it was made is because of copy-right crazy companies like sony?

Yep, but Sony was smart enough to realize HDMI would be needed for the copy right protection that everyone will be taking advantage of and Microsoft wasn't.

Who is everyone, HDMI is still not the standard connector, component is. Alot of people dont own a HD, alot of HD's dont have a HDMI cable. Why its nice to have a HDMI cable on the system, im asking is it needed?? And the answer is no.

You are half wrong and half right. HDMI is the standard DIGITAL connector, while component is the standard ANALOG connector for HDTVs. VGA is still analog. Fibre Optical audio cables are the standard DIGITAL audio connectors, while coaxial audio cables are the standard ANALOG connectors. Component is going to be phased out in the coming years -- and rightfully so. Digital connections provide 100% pure quality.

Until more people are using HDMI cables for there HD signal, component is still standard.

Completely missed my point, but okay. AGPx8 was the standard in video gaming 3-4 years ago, look where it is at now: replaced with a better system called PCI-e x16. Standards change.

So then your saying that all the people that owned AGP.x8 PC's that there non completly obselete?

Yeah. Try buying a new graphics card that has AGP. You will have a very hard time finding a manufacturer that supports it actively. PCI-e is what you will see 9 times out of 10.
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[QUOTE="reilo"][QUOTE="JimJackJose"]HDMI is a unnecessary gimmick that has no impact on video games. Component cables have no issue at all transferring 1080p. It is the AACS copyright provisions that require a protected path for either Blu-Ray or HD-DVD to be played back through true 1080p. I guess it would only make a difference if your TV only supported one or the other. If I had to choose between one or the other, I would pick to have VGA output as most new tv's come with vga input standard now.-GeordiLaForge-
Digital connections are GIMMICKS? Are you serious? Digital connections are the right way to go because they offer 100% pure quality -- there is no disrepency in quality between the cables. That is the proper way of standardizing. I'm sure you probably think that ABS brakes are gimmicks, too, because regular drum brakes stop a car just fine. :roll:

It really depends on the tv or monitor. On some, analog signals look better. On others, digital signals look better. The only real advantage to a digital signal is the lack of interference. But have you ever seen interference through a VGA connection? Me either...

Whaaaaat? Have I ever seen interference through VGA? YES! Have you ever owned a computer monitor with a VGA connector? Those things can crap out on you in a few short years, and you will have major interference (discoloration, refresh rate problems, etc). As far as component signals looking better than digital signals? The only way that is possible if the TV with the HDMI connection is not calibrated properly or at all, and the one with the component is. The real benefit of HDMI (or anything digital for that matter) is that you will receive the exact quality no matter what the cable is or how long the cable is. A huge issue with analog cables is that the longer they are, the bigger the loss of quality.
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[QUOTE="vistamanV5"][QUOTE="reilo"][QUOTE="vistamanV5"][QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="vistamanV5"][QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="Danm_999"]Unfortunately for Sony, we live in pre-Hi-def world. The Hi-Def format player is useful to nowhere near as many people as the increased HDD capacity. Also, I suppose they forgot about the Basic pack because a) It isn't available in all regions (PAL) and b) there are more Premium units available, making it the standard.

Unfortunately for Microsoft, they're realizing we're quickly transitioning into a post Hi-Def world. "We don't need HDMI" LOL! What a joke.

You do realize the visual difference between HDMI and component is very slim right and the only reason it was made is because of copy-right crazy companies like sony?

Yep, but Sony was smart enough to realize HDMI would be needed for the copy right protection that everyone will be taking advantage of and Microsoft wasn't.

Who is everyone, HDMI is still not the standard connector, component is. Alot of people dont own a HD, alot of HD's dont have a HDMI cable. Why its nice to have a HDMI cable on the system, im asking is it needed?? And the answer is no.

You are half wrong and half right. HDMI is the standard DIGITAL connector, while component is the standard ANALOG connector for HDTVs. VGA is still analog. Fibre Optical audio cables are the standard DIGITAL audio connectors, while coaxial audio cables are the standard ANALOG connectors. Component is going to be phased out in the coming years -- and rightfully so. Digital connections provide 100% pure quality.

Until more people are using HDMI cables for there HD signal, component is still standard.

Completely missed my point, but okay. AGPx8 was the standard in video gaming 3-4 years ago, look where it is at now: replaced with a better system called PCI-e x16. Standards change.