One thing would really work for me. New villain, cause u can only kill ganon so many times before he loses the evil effect. However, that said, the one thing I would love to see is something the first Final Fantasy did. Numerous characters (party gameplay) with character jobs. Make Link the head of a team, make the puzzles team orientated, so Link is the swordsman, there is a mage, a smaller person who can fit thru smaller areas, and a strongman. Have a huge quest, like the biggest Zelda ever without going online. Then top it off with the ability to change thru multiple jobs and learn different abilities, and have online colisseum where u can command ur team against a friends, or with a friends. So no leveling stats on characters, just job based abilities. I think that'd work.

Like Donkey Kong 64 or Super Mario 64 DS, in case I botched my point before.

in2DarKneSs

we need a change, not a complete overhaul

I agree that for the most part. my list would be a lot like yours and most other peoples but I will right it anyway

1. I think that they need to change the gameplay up a bit. Not much but simple things like...some more skill to weilding your sword. The way they have it is great and all...but seriously it's needs a lot more. I think they took the right steps in LoZ:TP with the different special moves that you could learn...but I think that really needs to be built on with a lot more different variations of combanation attacks. Zelda is a pretty hardcore gamer game so it doesn't need to be as simple as they make it. I mean the Wii is the perfect controller for a good sword machanic that requires combonations and a certain amount of skill...I dont want the machanic to make me look like an idiot but just simple precise controller movements...This of course would reaquire my next thing.

2. A major AI overhaul...I mean...TP was really sad when it came to difficulty...and I think that's because the AI was so dumb it was just a repeated pattern with every enemy, it never really changed up. Zelda is still fun...but after beating different looking bosses in the same way for 4 (I am talking 3D) games...it's time for a change...An AI overhaul that makes the enemies react differently to every way you go after them and makes the game a pleasant change with your different tactics. And a better AI will allow for the first gameplay idea I had to blossom with enemies that would react in ways to make your swordfights challanging and really going at it with shadow link have to match his moves and combonations and up them with yours to show that you are really the superior link.

3. The AI goes along with the most major thing...difficulty...I mean come on...as I said LoZ is a kind of gamer game that casuals dont really play...and that needs to be responded to with a much more difficult actual game, bug hunting and getting all the peices of heart dont even count when it comes to the actual part I am talking about...I mean the real dungeons and even just going through hyrule field should be made into something that takes a little bit of skill (thos annoying spinning things dont count) not to make it an annoying task every time but I mean make it so that at key moments in the game there are difficult obstacles through it (not puzzles) that get in your way, like being challanged by some Black Night or you cant pass and you have to  out do him in a sword fight...I dont know....just something like that. Then the dungeons need a complete makeover...I feel like I am playing the same dungeon with different graphics that I played in OoT, MM, and WW....every boss is beaten in the same way...I just need a change from that...like different things like racing on a "snowboard" to the bottom of the mountain in TP was fun and that could have been made more challanging and they could have added a lot to it...like in the next game...they could make it a national sport of hyrule and then you could have some fun matches at different slopes....that could even become an online multiplayer game...how fun would that be?....anyways...it all just needs a new approach to difficulty and I would really like to see a difficulty setting option that sets the game to your personal challanging level that would make AI more difficult to beat and have more life and would add a new level of difficulty to puzzles....

4. Use of Wiiconnect24...I mean.....it's there so use it...just after the game is released come out with constant updates of different "mini-dungeons" that add more replay value and keep me ammused while I wait 3 years for the next LoZ...this could even let you earn fun things like new swords and new moves...and could constantly bring new and fun characters and mini games to the game.

5. More RPG elements with character development (in the sense of srengths and stats)...these things would just add a new level to the game....trying to make Link super powerful would just add more replay value and a fun game machanic...also I would like the addition of more swords and moves and I would like to see magic brought back and really implamented...

6. Mini Games...I know a lot of people will be like "NO! not in my LoZ no way" but I thought the start hookshot game was great and I always liked the target games. And I think the Wii controller would be perfect for things like...the hookshot game....a sling shot game....a target range.....fishing (keep that simple but add variety to it)...the "snowboarding"...sword dueling...horse back riding events (jousting, usingyour bow on horse back, racing...things like that) and these things would be options to do them or not....I would really like to see the wi-fi be used for that with multi-player...and score boards....even more replay and things to do while we wait for the next LoZ...

 I have more things but I am too lazy to keep typing and not like anyone wants to read a wall of things I want for LoZ

supererman14

5 is stupid. that is a huge change, and it doesnt fit in with the zelda series. it is never a story of link becoming super powerful to defeat evil. its always been about being the chosen hero by the gods. maybe "triforce" powers would be cool, but rpg for zelda is retarted. the rest i agree with

[QUOTE="slickvic1990"]

and all im trying to say is despite all of these "flaws", it still manages AAA status. does it need some change? yeah. however, i dont see these "flaws" as enough to bring it down to AA

Wintry_Flutist

And as I said, it's because most people still prefer to exalt Zelda pros. Nothing wrong there, but the number of people who exalt its flaws instead substancially increased with TP. If Nintendo insists in keeping these flaws to pay tribute to Ocarina of Time, or whatever, soon those who would be willing to exalt Zelda pros will be minority. I get what you're saying and I'm not blaming it.

Well, anyway, I guess we're finally done.

it seems we finally agree with each other. lets call a truce and end it

[QUOTE="slickvic1990"]

ok. ur not shirley temple. however, u dont listen to me. back to the player reviews. the average was 9.5. ok. u say that there were many complaints about the game. ok. however, with all of these complaints, AND zelda getting an average of 9.5, can you honestly say that these complaints make it AA material? i dont think so. even with all the complaints, its still a AAA game. therefore, these "complaints" didnt hinder the game at all. its a AAA game, whether u like it or not. and no, im not a zelda fanboy. i just think these threads are getting ridiculous already. and stop the wall of text. i hate reading it and proving u wrong. are there problems, yes. no game is perfect. however, it is not enough to keep it from AAA status. just give the game a break.

Wintry_Flutist

So here's a small text for you, although I have the right to explain clearly my points instead of accusing people of being an @ss:

You aren't proving me wrong. I've said (twice) that it's fair to give TP AAA just as it's fair to give it AA. But you insist I want to prove (???) TP is AA. What I wanted to prove (and I actually did if you read my posts) is that because there are flaws one can easily use to argue TP is AA, Zelda needs change, before everyone agrees the Zelda series has definetely fallen in the AA category.

and all im trying to say is despite all of these "flaws", it still manages AAA status. does it need some change? yeah. however, i dont see these "flaws" as enough to bring it down to AA

[QUOTE="slickvic1990"]is it just me, or does the guy with the blue hair resemble the guy from FF Versus XIII? if KH3 is released after, it is possibleMusashiSensi

wow, that was stupid. first of all, gumbi and piccolo dont look anything alike. they are also not connected in any way. however, those two guys look alike. also, kingdom hearts is a mixture of disney and FINAL FANTASY!! it may be possible

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Jesus Christ. That's like me saying "Is it me or did gumbi remind me of piccolo? Since DBZ was released after gumbi it may be possible right?" 

[QUOTE="slickvic1990"][QUOTE="sk8ter33157"][QUOTE="slickvic1990"][QUOTE="sk8ter33157"]

Mickeys training with Yen Sid...he has the Starseeker. It's in the past. The Brown haired Knight is probably Xehanort. The Blonde Haired one most likely has ties with Roxas. Xehanorts eyes turn yellow because he is coming in contact with such greeat darkness (Kingdom hearts that the bald man summoned.) Heartless have yellow eyes....if anyone didn't catch the connection. The Bald Man appears to split himself between a Heartless and Nobody at will.

Thats the most that can be said about the video. Theorizing anymore would be stretching the plausibility when you consider the little amount of info given

sk8ter33157

im sorry, but i must disagree. if the dark haired one was xehanort, this would obviously be in the past. therefore, the blonde one would have no ties to roxas. Roxas was sora's nobody created when sora was turned into a heartless in KH1. therefore, i must disagree. also, xehanort was never a heartless. ansem was his heartless, and he was the nobody. the yellow eyes might mean something else.

Sigh

Just because it is the past doesn't mean the Blonde Haired Knight can't have ties with Roxas. There are numerous ways he COULD. I never said he WAS Roxas. The Knights could be previous incarnations of Sora, Riku, Kairi. That would mean he was a previous Sora...giving him ties to Roxas. Personally I don't believe that. However, I was just giving an example of how they could have connections. Nothing is too far-fetched in the KH universe. Remember when you found out about Xehanort from Mickey? Yah. And speaking of Xehanort....you say he was never a heartless? Ugh. Xehanort was ANSEM THE WISE'S apprentice.He became a heartless. He took Ansem's name....he wasn't really Ansem. And he was referred to as Ansem Seeker of Darkness. That is until KH2 when we learned that Ansem was really a professor who had been banished to the dark realm. This heartless of Xehanort is usually referred to as Xehanort (which is incorrect because this was his human name), Ansem Seeker of Darkness, or Xehanort's Heartless. His nobody was XEMNAS. However, I was referring to human Xehanort. He would be human in the secret video (most likely). I was implying that his heart began to give in to darkness even before Ansem found him.....specifically, it was introduced to darkness when Kingdom Hearts was summoned byt he bald man. You don't want to discuss Kingdom Hearts with me.... I'll win =)

So:

Ansem The Wise- professor who found Xehanort badly hurt and with no memories

Xehanort- human apprentice of Ansem the wise

Xehanort's Heartless, Ansem Seeker of Darkness- The HEARTLESS of Xehanort

Xemnas- The NOBODY

ok, i got confused on the ansem part. you were right, the story is confusing. however, i still believe you were wrong about roxas. he could never have ties to anyone. he is sora's nobody. he has no connections to anyone whatsoever. his only connection was sora, and they joined after the first few hours. just like namine and kairi. they are only connected to each other. so, ansem, u got me. roxas, i got u. even

Actuaaaaaallllllly, Roxas has ties to Namine. Since Kairi's heart AND Sora's heart both occupied his body in Kh1....and then they were both released from Sora's body......two nobodies were made from Sora's body and soul. Roxas and Namine. That's why Namine can alter Sora's memories. And techically, a connection to Sora WOULD be a connection to Roxas. Blonde Haired Knight----Sora----Roxas. Connected. Nomura even said a major theme in the series was "every heart is connected."

And about the hundreds of keyblades: It definitely gives off a "Keyblade graveyard" vibe. Possibly they could be the keyblades of "retired" (or dead haha) keyblade masters. While there isn't a ton of evidence to support this, it's just a thought I had.

actually, namine was created way before kairi's heart was released. in fact, right after she was captured. also, i still dont think roxas has any connections. he is a NOBODY!!!

[QUOTE="slickvic1990"][QUOTE="sk8ter33157"][QUOTE="slickvic1990"][QUOTE="sk8ter33157"]

Mickeys training with Yen Sid...he has the Starseeker. It's in the past. The Brown haired Knight is probably Xehanort. The Blonde Haired one most likely has ties with Roxas. Xehanorts eyes turn yellow because he is coming in contact with such greeat darkness (Kingdom hearts that the bald man summoned.) Heartless have yellow eyes....if anyone didn't catch the connection. The Bald Man appears to split himself between a Heartless and Nobody at will.

Thats the most that can be said about the video. Theorizing anymore would be stretching the plausibility when you consider the little amount of info given

MusashiSensi

im sorry, but i must disagree. if the dark haired one was xehanort, this would obviously be in the past. therefore, the blonde one would have no ties to roxas. Roxas was sora's nobody created when sora was turned into a heartless in KH1. therefore, i must disagree. also, xehanort was never a heartless. ansem was his heartless, and he was the nobody. the yellow eyes might mean something else.

Sigh

Just because it is the past doesn't mean the Blonde Haired Knight can't have ties with Roxas. There are numerous ways he COULD. I never said he WAS Roxas. The Knights could be previous incarnations of Sora, Riku, Kairi. That would mean he was a previous Sora...giving him ties to Roxas. Personally I don't believe that. However, I was just giving an example of how they could have connections. Nothing is too far-fetched in the KH universe. Remember when you found out about Xehanort from Mickey? Yah. And speaking of Xehanort....you say he was never a heartless? Ugh. Xehanort was ANSEM THE WISE'S apprentice.He became a heartless. He took Ansem's name....he wasn't really Ansem. And he was referred to as Ansem Seeker of Darkness. That is until KH2 when we learned that Ansem was really a professor who had been banished to the dark realm. This heartless of Xehanort is usually referred to as Xehanort (which is incorrect because this was his human name), Ansem Seeker of Darkness, or Xehanort's Heartless. His nobody was XEMNAS. However, I was referring to human Xehanort. He would be human in the secret video (most likely). I was implying that his heart began to give in to darkness even before Ansem found him.....specifically, it was introduced to darkness when Kingdom Hearts was summoned byt he bald man. You don't want to discuss Kingdom Hearts with me.... I'll win =)

So:

Ansem The Wise- professor who found Xehanort badly hurt and with no memories

Xehanort- human apprentice of Ansem the wise

Xehanort's Heartless, Ansem Seeker of Darkness- The HEARTLESS of Xehanort

Xemnas- The NOBODY

ok, i got confused on the ansem part. you were right, the story is confusing. however, i still believe you were wrong about roxas. he could never have ties to anyone. he is sora's nobody. he has no connections to anyone whatsoever. his only connection was sora, and they joined after the first few hours. just like namine and kairi. they are only connected to each other. so, ansem, u got me. roxas, i got u. even

True. None of those knights could have no connection to roxas since he's basically a nobody of sora. One may have a relation to Sora, though. Once again I say...what if this was taking place in the future rather than the past? What if that was actually Sora or just some new character in whole who has no ties to sora.  

[QUOTE="reyad-u"][QUOTE="slickvic1990"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="slickvic1990"]

go to gamerankings and come back later

callmewaffle

You really don't get it, right? You have an average rating, and you think it shuts all people who got disappointed up? An average rating hides even more truth than Gamespot's 8.8, because it hides reviewers who got disappointed - as disappointed as many gamers are. This is the truth. Not an average. You want to wait until everyone gets tired of traditional Zelda elements (the ones who aren't needed anymore. Some have to remain in order to keep it a Zelda), so holly gamerankings average is also under 9, or under 8? Then you may believe it, right? I'd rather see beyond an average number, and read every site different comments, listen to the most people opinions, compare it to other games, and think about it all. If you did it all, instead of treating gamerankings average ratings as a holly wall against reality, you'll notice there's a growing insatisfaction with Zelda, that has been contained thanks to the variety and unique characteristics of Zelda games (LoZ, ALttP, OoT, MM and WW were all stand alone games), but boomed and became evident with TP. I admit it's not so bad - yet: after all, the average is still above 9. But if you unfold your eyes and see how many people have complains - and pretty much the same complains, which proves it's not just a matter of opinion - you'd start worrying about Zelda's future, instead of thinking it's all right because you have an average number higher than 9. Even people who think TP is AAA (and it's not outrageous at all: TP did achieve some fantastic things) share those complains. So please, don't try to sound smart using gamerankings score. TP arguably isn't AAA (the proof: specific complains are more and more common, to the point many people agree TP doesn't deserve AAA. We're not talking about haters). And it needs change, even Nintendo knows it.

thank you shirley temple. anyways, you dont want to go by the gamerankings score? ok. then go by the average review score by the gamers on this site, you know the non-professional ones who are on the forums. that score is also above a 9. i think i made my point

why dou think his shirly_temple? :| just because they have a similer opinion? i have a similer opinion as well does that mean that your going to think the same thing of me?

Everyone who agrees with Shirley Temp is Shirly Temp. :lol:

Meaning half of Gspot is made up of his alts.

yeah. dont we all miss him/her?

[QUOTE="reyad-u"][QUOTE="slickvic1990"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="slickvic1990"]

go to gamerankings and come back later

callmewaffle

You really don't get it, right? You have an average rating, and you think it shuts all people who got disappointed up? An average rating hides even more truth than Gamespot's 8.8, because it hides reviewers who got disappointed - as disappointed as many gamers are. This is the truth. Not an average. You want to wait until everyone gets tired of traditional Zelda elements (the ones who aren't needed anymore. Some have to remain in order to keep it a Zelda), so holly gamerankings average is also under 9, or under 8? Then you may believe it, right? I'd rather see beyond an average number, and read every site different comments, listen to the most people opinions, compare it to other games, and think about it all. If you did it all, instead of treating gamerankings average ratings as a holly wall against reality, you'll notice there's a growing insatisfaction with Zelda, that has been contained thanks to the variety and unique characteristics of Zelda games (LoZ, ALttP, OoT, MM and WW were all stand alone games), but boomed and became evident with TP. I admit it's not so bad - yet: after all, the average is still above 9. But if you unfold your eyes and see how many people have complains - and pretty much the same complains, which proves it's not just a matter of opinion - you'd start worrying about Zelda's future, instead of thinking it's all right because you have an average number higher than 9. Even people who think TP is AAA (and it's not outrageous at all: TP did achieve some fantastic things) share those complains. So please, don't try to sound smart using gamerankings score. TP arguably isn't AAA (the proof: specific complains are more and more common, to the point many people agree TP doesn't deserve AAA. We're not talking about haters). And it needs change, even Nintendo knows it.

thank you shirley temple. anyways, you dont want to go by the gamerankings score? ok. then go by the average review score by the gamers on this site, you know the non-professional ones who are on the forums. that score is also above a 9. i think i made my point

why dou think his shirly_temple? :| just because they have a similer opinion? i have a similer opinion as well does that mean that your going to think the same thing of me?

Everyone who agrees with Shirley Temp is Shirly Temp. :lol:

Meaning half of Gspot is made up of his alts.

yeah. dont we all miss him/her?