[QUOTE="slickvic1990"]thank you shirley temple. anyways, you dont want to go by the gamerankings score? ok. then go by the average review score by the gamers on this site, you know the non-professional ones who are on the forums. that score is also above a 9. i think i made my pointWintry_Flutist

Pff, I'm not even going to talk about those quickly put 10/10 by hyped fanboys.

Besides, I have been talking about people comments. You're problem is that you want to summarize all in a number, so you can sleep better at night. I already said that, but you keep your denial: numbers don't show the real situation. How can you, giving a score from 1 to 10, explain how some elements of TP are stuck in the past, while some others are a step forward, describe the art direction, explain how the story isn't consistent at several points, and many more? Yeah, that's what matters, your beloved score above nine may indeed showcase TP pros but will never change its flaws. Or you're gonna say you never heard someone complaining?

I've already said there's nothing wrong in giving TP AAA, since it did achieve many fantastic things. But I guess you missed that part, since you're convinced I'm Shirley_Temple or that I'm the bad guy who wants to spoil your day. However, it has also many flaws, to the point we have now all those "Zelda is getting old comments". Or do you think people are saying that for no reason? They certainly don't know how they feel, their disturbed souls made them say it, right? Therefore, there's also absolutely nothing wrong in giving TP less than 9, which seems to be the golden score for you, because there is what to complain about. Enough to not enjoy it so much if your Zelda standards are high. That's my case, and many other people case.

You made no point. You are just pointing to what we have know for ages: there are still Zelda fanboys who would buy sh!t if it's written Zelda on it, and there are, yes, people who were amazed by TP. That's fine. But I am pointing to something new: people, even among those who were amazed by or enjoy TP, who recognize its flaws, and are concerned about it. Because such flaws cannot be tolerated once more. There's a risk, a real one, of Zelda getting dated if Nintendo insists in keeping too much of Zelda content in every "new" Zelda. Unfortunately, because more people prefered to exalt TP pros instead of condemning its flaws (not just as a game, but as a Zelda game as well), you think those flaws doesn't exist, and decided that everyone who talk about them is Shirley_Temple in disguise wanting to perturb your world in which Nintendo could keep using the flawed idea of "perfecting perfection" and Zelda would rule forever.

ok. ur not shirley temple. however, u dont listen to me. back to the player reviews. the average was 9.5. ok. u say that there were many complaints about the game. ok. however, with all of these complaints, AND zelda getting an average of 9.5, can you honestly say that these complaints make it AA material? i dont think so. even with all the complaints, its still a AAA game. therefore, these "complaints" didnt hinder the game at all. its a AAA game, whether u like it or not. and no, im not a zelda fanboy. i just think these threads are getting ridiculous already. and stop the wall of text. i hate reading it and proving u wrong. are there problems, yes. no game is perfect. however, it is not enough to keep it from AAA status. just give the game a break.

[QUOTE="slickvic1990"][QUOTE="sk8ter33157"]

Mickeys training with Yen Sid...he has the Starseeker. It's in the past. The Brown haired Knight is probably Xehanort. The Blonde Haired one most likely has ties with Roxas. Xehanorts eyes turn yellow because he is coming in contact with such greeat darkness (Kingdom hearts that the bald man summoned.) Heartless have yellow eyes....if anyone didn't catch the connection. The Bald Man appears to split himself between a Heartless and Nobody at will.

Thats the most that can be said about the video. Theorizing anymore would be stretching the plausibility when you consider the little amount of info given

sk8ter33157

im sorry, but i must disagree. if the dark haired one was xehanort, this would obviously be in the past. therefore, the blonde one would have no ties to roxas. Roxas was sora's nobody created when sora was turned into a heartless in KH1. therefore, i must disagree. also, xehanort was never a heartless. ansem was his heartless, and he was the nobody. the yellow eyes might mean something else.

Sigh

Just because it is the past doesn't mean the Blonde Haired Knight can't have ties with Roxas. There are numerous ways he COULD. I never said he WAS Roxas. The Knights could be previous incarnations of Sora, Riku, Kairi. That would mean he was a previous Sora...giving him ties to Roxas. Personally I don't believe that. However, I was just giving an example of how they could have connections. Nothing is too far-fetched in the KH universe. Remember when you found out about Xehanort from Mickey? Yah. And speaking of Xehanort....you say he was never a heartless? Ugh. Xehanort was ANSEM THE WISE'S apprentice.He became a heartless. He took Ansem's name....he wasn't really Ansem. And he was referred to as Ansem Seeker of Darkness. That is until KH2 when we learned that Ansem was really a professor who had been banished to the dark realm. This heartless of Xehanort is usually referred to as Xehanort (which is incorrect because this was his human name), Ansem Seeker of Darkness, or Xehanort's Heartless. His nobody was XEMNAS. However, I was referring to human Xehanort. He would be human in the secret video (most likely). I was implying that his heart began to give in to darkness even before Ansem found him.....specifically, it was introduced to darkness when Kingdom Hearts was summoned byt he bald man. You don't want to discuss Kingdom Hearts with me.... I'll win =)

So:

Ansem The Wise- professor who found Xehanort badly hurt and with no memories

Xehanort- human apprentice of Ansem the wise

Xehanort's Heartless, Ansem Seeker of Darkness- The HEARTLESS of Xehanort

Xemnas- The NOBODY

ok, i got confused on the ansem part. you were right, the story is confusing. however, i still believe you were wrong about roxas. he could never have ties to anyone. he is sora's nobody. he has no connections to anyone whatsoever. his only connection was sora, and they joined after the first few hours. just like namine and kairi. they are only connected to each other. so, ansem, u got me. roxas, i got u. even

[QUOTE="slickvic1990"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="slickvic1990"]

go to gamerankings and come back later

reyad-u

You really don't get it, right? You have an average rating, and you think it shuts all people who got disappointed up? An average rating hides even more truth than Gamespot's 8.8, because it hides reviewers who got disappointed - as disappointed as many gamers are. This is the truth. Not an average. You want to wait until everyone gets tired of traditional Zelda elements (the ones who aren't needed anymore. Some have to remain in order to keep it a Zelda), so holly gamerankings average is also under 9, or under 8? Then you may believe it, right? I'd rather see beyond an average number, and read every site different comments, listen to the most people opinions, compare it to other games, and think about it all. If you did it all, instead of treating gamerankings average ratings as a holly wall against reality, you'll notice there's a growing insatisfaction with Zelda, that has been contained thanks to the variety and unique characteristics of Zelda games (LoZ, ALttP, OoT, MM and WW were all stand alone games), but boomed and became evident with TP. I admit it's not so bad - yet: after all, the average is still above 9. But if you unfold your eyes and see how many people have complains - and pretty much the same complains, which proves it's not just a matter of opinion - you'd start worrying about Zelda's future, instead of thinking it's all right because you have an average number higher than 9. Even people who think TP is AAA (and it's not outrageous at all: TP did achieve some fantastic things) share those complains. So please, don't try to sound smart using gamerankings score. TP arguably isn't AAA (the proof: specific complains are more and more common, to the point many people agree TP doesn't deserve AAA. We're not talking about haters). And it needs change, even Nintendo knows it.

thank you shirley temple. anyways, you dont want to go by the gamerankings score? ok. then go by the average review score by the gamers on this site, you know the non-professional ones who are on the forums. that score is also above a 9. i think i made my point

why dou think his shirly_temple? :| just because they have a similer opinion? i have a similer opinion as well does that mean that your going to think the same thing of me?

were you in that thread? i was. they sound exactly alike

I know this one. All the PS and XBOX fans are going to storm the gates at Gamespot and hang the reviewer.trasherhead

about your sig, you are a girl. are you hot?

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]I can see Halo 3 scoring high AA,but MGS4 will be the game that defines tactical espionage games for decades to come,Kojima is taking gameplay to a whole new level. My Halo 3 prediction score is 8.9,MGS4 9.6.Igwababa

I can see you suddenly dropping that score if MGS4 wasnt playstation exclusive, but seriuosly 8.9 for Halo 3, thats laughable, you can say what you want about the Halo franchise, MS etc. but Bungie is an amazing developers, I dont see Halo 3 getting anything lower than 9.2. 

thats what everyone said about zelda, and look what happened

[QUOTE="slickvic1990"]

well, this is your opinion. i think that the story was great. and it was story driven, but not completely. the story was so good, that you could go on for hours without completing a dungeon. sidequests also helped

Wintry_Flutist

Look, I'm not saying it's outrageous to think the story was good. I don't know what you mean by not needing to complete dungeons, as the story only goes forward if you keep completing them, they're part of the main quest, but anyways, flaws are evident, it's an objective remark: Zelda gameplay structure (dungeon-item-boss) goes against a compelling and fluid story. If you want room for a story, you need to loose Zelda a so symetric and predictable structure, which isn't actually needed. You can get rid of it and still have puzzles, battles and bosses. Look at RPGs, it's all about leveling up and customization, you can put any story into it, because at no point the dev had to ask "So what will be the next excuse to make Link from dungeon X to dungeon Y?". So, using this structure restricts possibilities, it's nice to have a game so well organized, with 8 (gaming gold number) or so dungeons, in which you have a specific item to kill its boss, really organized, really geometric, but it seems Nintendo has using this standard Zelda model without thinking if its really needed and about the consequences.

let me put it this way, there is plenty of GOOD story between each dungeon, excluding the last two. it was great.

[QUOTE="slickvic1990"]

go to gamerankings and come back later

Wintry_Flutist

You really don't get it, right? You have an average rating, and you think it shuts all people who got disappointed up? An average rating hides even more truth than Gamespot's 8.8, because it hides reviewers who got disappointed - as disappointed as many gamers are. This is the truth. Not an average. You want to wait until everyone gets tired of traditional Zelda elements (the ones who aren't needed anymore. Some have to remain in order to keep it a Zelda), so holly gamerankings average is also under 9, or under 8? Then you may believe it, right? I'd rather see beyond an average number, and read every site different comments, listen to the most people opinions, compare it to other games, and think about it all. If you did it all, instead of treating gamerankings average ratings as a holly wall against reality, you'll notice there's a growing insatisfaction with Zelda, that has been contained thanks to the variety and unique characteristics of Zelda games (LoZ, ALttP, OoT, MM and WW were all stand alone games), but boomed and became evident with TP. I admit it's not so bad - yet: after all, the average is still above 9. But if you unfold your eyes and see how many people have complains - and pretty much the same complains, which proves it's not just a matter of opinion - you'd start worrying about Zelda's future, instead of thinking it's all right because you have an average number higher than 9. Even people who think TP is AAA (and it's not outrageous at all: TP did achieve some fantastic things) share those complains. So please, don't try to sound smart using gamerankings score. TP arguably isn't AAA (the proof: specific complains are more and more common, to the point many people agree TP doesn't deserve AAA. We're not talking about haters). And it needs change, even Nintendo knows it.

thank you shirley temple. anyways, you dont want to go by the gamerankings score? ok. then go by the average review score by the gamers on this site, you know the non-professional ones who are on the forums. that score is also above a 9. i think i made my point

bald sephiroth is cooler and meaner than ever!!gp19

i dont believe thats sephiroth. one, he is mad old. two, he uses a keyblade, which sephiroth doesnt. he also has the power to summon kingdom hearts. sephy cant do that .

Mickeys training with Yen Sid...he has the Starseeker. It's in the past. The Brown haired Knight is probably Xehanort. The Blonde Haired one most likely has ties with Roxas. Xehanorts eyes turn yellow because he is coming in contact with such greeat darkness (Kingdom hearts that the bald man summoned.) Heartless have yellow eyes....if anyone didn't catch the connection. The Bald Man appears to split himself between a Heartless and Nobody at will.

Thats the most that can be said about the video. Theorizing anymore would be stretching the plausibility when you consider the little amount of info given

sk8ter33157

im sorry, but i must disagree. if the dark haired one was xehanort, this would obviously be in the past. therefore, the blonde one would have no ties to roxas. Roxas was sora's nobody created when sora was turned into a heartless in KH1. therefore, i must disagree. also, xehanort was never a heartless. ansem was his heartless, and he was the nobody. the yellow eyes might mean something else.