@milorivers Exactly, I think some people are just blindly buying into the hype and not wanting to believe what their eyes or minds are telling them, or they just have some sort of mad loyalty to Kojima and can't hold him to account for what is a poor attempt at both a MGS game and an open world/3rd person shooter hybrid.

@pyco MGS4 was exceptional, yest he story got a little convoluted but go back and play MGS2, that was a massive mess in terms of story but a solid gaming experience, as is MGS4, especially considering the different environments required slightly different game play approaches AND the enemies were far more interesting than generic white or black soldiers. But hey, MGS1-4 were all exceptional games in their own right and I'd probably rank them all in a best ever list.

@demi0227_basic Yep, I've started playing Mad Max again and will probably get Fall Out 4 in the next couple weeks. I know I'll get back to MGSV at some stage and I played through the sideops like you did too, simply because they didn't penalise using tanks and all that badass shit but at the end of the day, side ops or main missions, they all sort of blend into one "infiltrate, extract, repeat, get your ass outta there".

@Macutchi: I've done all the imaginative stuff and it's fun no doubt but the game rewards stealth and the only way you get the best ranking, in most missions anyway, is a stealthy playthrough rather than using all the tools at your disposal, which are probably better suited to making the repetitive side ops more fun.

I do agree that there's a lot of missions but the missions are just retreads of everything past, I dunno, mission 10 or 11. Even all the environments look the same. Like I've said before, I'm a huge MGS fan and have played all the main console versions so I hold this series to a very, very high standard. MGS V is good, a fun distraction at times but it isn't the "I have to play through this all night long" great game that previous games in the series have been, especially MGS 3 and 4.

Really? I can't imagine those two getting a lot of mentions because at the time of release, they opened the eyes of gamers at the time to a whole new platform of experience. I believe Ocarina has probably aged better but that's mainly because I believe FF series has improved far more than Zelda.

I'm saying these games are not "next gen", I've had similar experiences or can have the same experience on the PS3 generation. Some of those experiences are better on previous consoles.

Now, I'm guessing most of you have really low standards of what you want in gaming, which is why we're seeing proliferation of poor games, half assed technical issues and DLCs which shouldn't be DLCs, or maybe you're just too young to remember a time when new console generations actually meant a step forward for gaming not a stagnation of gaming ideas.

There's too few GTAV style additions to gaming and with our lack of will to drive the industry as consumers, maybe we don't deserve that.

Oh come on, you know exactly what I mean, quantity and quality. I don't want to be playing 3 games a year on a machine this expensive which then also charges for online (both ps4 and xb1) and in return we get rehashes of 15 year old games with "HD remasters" lol

But has 2015 delivered a large number of games only available on current gen consoles? The answer is no. Not even one of the biggest, if not the biggest game of the year, MGS V was available across last gen consoles.

I've experienced far greater line ups, exclusives and gaming experiences in previous generations, so it's why I hold this to a higher standard than most of you. I don't expect to wait for 2 or 3 games a year worth my time, I want a slew of choice.

@Macutchi How can you claim the level and mission design is "unparalleled"? It's repetitive, with almost every side op following the exact same path and all the locales looking the same and every area re-used on a constant basis. I will however say that some of the main missions are a lot of fun, especially later on with all the added equipment and so on but even then a lot of them boil down to the same formula and the same locales.

@JangoWuzHere: Really? I just got so tired after slogging through repetitive side ops, constant bs FOB pop ups and the repetitive missions thats I just stopped. I may get back into it but even then I hear that the ending isn't fully revealed. This is such a major misstep from Konami, Kojima and for the whole franchise.

I'm not interested in VR at the moment but if it was £100, curiosity might get the better of me but with the current price and the lack of viable gaming options, my interest is as low as possible.

I played it a handful of times in 2001 or 2002, can't remember and the games I played were Virtual Fighter and Sonic. I wasn't a big fan of either ,as Tekken was already superior imo and Mario 64 was a better 3D platformer than Sonic at the time.

Having said that, I bought the console in 2005, got it cheap and just fell in love with Shenmue 2, Sonic Adventure 2, Marvel v Capcom, Dead or Alive and so many other games. I look back at the consoles and it's games with fondness.