[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]
[QUOTE="TheAbbeFaria"]
Of course you can be partially free and partially enslaved, just look at any monarchy that has ever existed, any dictatorship. Do you know who is considered the greatest French leader? King Louis XIV, and his nickname was the Sun-God. Under his rule, France became the most powerful civilization on the planet. He was really the left-hand of God, the Pope being the right, yet the French people could still do as they wished, just as we can. However, they didn't have much civic freedom. This is also true for the British Empire, and it's true for the Roman Empire.
Your argument deals with absolutes, whereas mine deals with reality, in that things aren't black and white.
TheAbbeFaria
So in absolute monarhies and empires such as Imperial France, Rome, and England you could speak your mind about, I don't know, the royal or imperal family? Because I thought if that were to happen you'd face hanging, beheading, firing squad, indentured servitude, or any number of executions or imprisonments. Just as it did in France (I would look up your beloved Louis XIV and how he revoked the Edict of Nantes, fora start, because he did revoke several religious rights held by Protestants before he ruled), England (for one, look up Queen Elizabeth I's policy towards Ireland), Rome (need I remind you of the Emperors Nero and Caligula?), and for good measure Japan (Tokugawa Ieyasu, for one, who ordered the executions of his own wife and son), and Belgium (look up the accounts of the horrors of their Congo colony).
Guess what? Dictatorships rarely, if ever, allow their subjects to speak out against them. They control with an iron fist their subjects and if that doesn't work, they kill their subjects with an iron sword. "Submit or die" is the catchphrase of all dictatorships, from the empires and kingdoms of antiquity, through the absolute monarchies of Europe and Asia, to the fascist and communist states of the modern era. Those who spoke out against their rulers, whether Nero, Elizabeth, Louis, or Hitler either went to some form of prison or were killed on the spot. That doesn't sound like freedom to me...
Did you not even read my post? If you're not going to read what I write, then this is all just pointless. I said they didn't have civic freedom in those monarchies, which means they couldn't speak out against the government, yet they still had personal freedom to do as they wished about their daily lives. So in every sense, people were partially free and partially enslaved in these monarchies.
Secondly, I'm not enamored with King Louis XIV at all, but it's the truth that he is considered to be the greatest ruler France has ever had, after-all it was the people who named him the Sun-God. You don't get that kind of title by being a mass murderer like Hitler Sure, he and many other Kings and Queens had blood on their hands but so have all of our Presidents who've kept slaves, wiped out entire nations of Native Americans, planted flags on stolen land, ect, all in the name of freedom and liberty.
how can you say he was the greatest ruler of France? He himself doubted his ruling abilities. "Do not follow the bad example which I have set you; I have often undertaken war too lightly and have sustained it for vanity. Do not imitate me, but be a peaceful prince, and may you apply yourself principally to the alleviation of the burdens of your subjects". he said this to Louis XV before he was to take the throne.
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