[QUOTE="dkrustyklown"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Yeah it does. If I feel no insult at it then it is not an insult to me. It takes a little more than a gesture of respect from some guy I don't know to some other guy I don't know to insult me.

Serraph105

He isn't "some guy I don't know" bowing before "some other guy I don't know". He is the President of the United States, our head of state and commander in chief of the armed forces, grovelling like a worm in the rain before the head of state of a foreign nation.

Now, you might not feel insulted by the sight of your head of state prostrating himself in honor of a foreign ruler, but that is only because you do not percieve the magnitude of act and how it damages the honor of our nation.

When on "bows" before another, then the person that is bowing is demonstrating subservience and hierarchical inferiority. A head of state represents his entire nation. When the head of state of one nation bows before the head of state of another, then his nation bows with him. The head of state that bows is presenting his nation as subservient and hierarchically inferior.

When the President of the United States bows, we all, as Americans, bow whether we like it or not.

When Obama bowed before the king of Saudi Arabia, the United States of America bowed with him. For this, I am insulted, and anyone with any understanding of honor should feel insulted, as well. Firstly, because we are the United States of America, and we are subservient to none. Secondly, because Saudi Arabia represents the antithesis of the core principles of the United States of America. I have absolutely no respect for the state of Saudi Arabia or its putrid royal family. That our President, a man that is supposed to represent me and my fellow Americans, would bow before such a disgusting man as the king of Saudi Arabia, stains our nation's honor and shames our standard. Morever, by committing such an act, the President misrepresents the nation that he is supposed to represent. I would never bow before such a villanous king, and I resent that a so-called "President" that claims to represent me would do so on my behalf.

that really depends on the culture.

[QUOTE="twitchmonkey399"][QUOTE="Ringx55"]

The video is still there....

scorch-62

The video is still there....

Ringx55

Crazy. I wonder how many people will have their arm/arms removed just so they can use this technology. That is, once this technology has advanced into an efficient practice and the methods of installation (for lack of a better term) are perfected.

[QUOTE="twitchmonkey399"]And I was aware that you didn't agree with the information you posted. I also was aware of that not being the question. Hence the "tidbit for you," part of my post.GabuEx

Sorry if my post came across as confrontational; that was not my intention.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="harashawn"] How can you know you've been saved? Is praying and attending church enough? Is accepting Jesus as your Lord? Is trying to be a good person? Saying you have been saved is a sign of arrogance; according to the Bible, God doesn't like that. I try to follow Jesus' teachings, but do I think I'm going to Heaven? No.

GabuEx

And then the waters are muddied in Matthew 25:31-46 and Matthew 7:21.

People could play Dueling Scripture all day. :P

[QUOTE="twitchmonkey399"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

One of the main tenets in mainstream Christianity today is that all humans are sinners, and every one of them is going to be punished for their sins in hell, and that the only way to avoid this fate is to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and obey the commandments. This is colloquially referred to as "being saved". So no, you're not saved. :P

Anyway, I agree with the sentiment that you should just tell her no and let the chips fall where they may; as was said, if she can't accept that and leaves you, then your relationship is doomed anyway.

GabuEx

I'm aware, and I don't agree with the tenet that I just said. That wasn't the question, though.

[QUOTE="harashawn"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] That makes no sense.Theokhoth