Clean layers? Where do you see one???

Why did you came here in the first place and why did you decided to post your dull comments? Coz you´re butthurt over my nickname and avatar? LOL you´re like an angry 15 year old who´s been stuck at an age of 8.

Is that according to your own experience with being unconsciousness, or were you reading the wrong google-articles again?

There are also people who see light at the end of a tunnel and some claim they came back from the dead, there are people who see UFOs and there are people who believe in demons....

Don´t be so terribly naive and stupid kid.

@MirkoS77: You´re just butthurt coz i am not sharing your opinion, that´s telling what kind of person you are and if that´s not bad enough, you´re not even capable of getting articles right (like why identical twins aren´t 100% the same) so the next time you do your google-research, make sure you understood them articles at least halfway right, rather than claiming some utter nonsense crap like "Twins are the same as clones!

Is this what you´ve found out so far or is this rather what some "scientists" claim, while you´re just repeating it all?

What´s a "scientist"? An above average smartass human being who just knows the right people. It is naive to think that every scientist is talking the absolute truth, only coz him being a scientist. You have any idea how wrong scientists actually are every year with their "latest knowledge" all their analysis and studies? In quantum-physics for example, they just realized (again) that certain measurments and theories are obviously wrong (again), like the actual weight of the higgs-bonson particle or the speed of cosmic inflation lately....and no one knows if they aren´t just being terribly wrong again.

So i assume, hundreds of years ago, you would have been claiming "The earth is flat!" only because the majority of people thought that way, while everyone who was claiming the opposite, was a "nutjob" and not been taken any serious.

Anyway, back at "your" claims:

According to my theories, you are you even before you have any experience, or do you want to tell me that it wasn´t been you until you started to experience stuff? So you mean, the first time you were opening your eyes to look at that person in white, was being your first experience which caused....you to be you? Gimme a break!

You ever tried to remember what was actually the first experience or visual you ever had in your life? Let´s assume it was when you were opening your eyes, seeing that doctor in the delivery room. So you think, until that point it wasn´t been you? Ok, so what caused "you to be you" that moment when you opened your eyes with having the first experience starting to "form you up"? That doctor? God? Your mother? The cosmic waves in the delivery room?

Also, according to you, your own self is "forming up" with experiences. Your physical body is forming up yeah, your identity is also forming up, but not your consciousness, your consciousness does neither change its form as it is neither collecting and storing any experience, your consciousness, as i am understanding it, is completely unaffected by physical influences on your body...and "experience" is another result of physical influence, just as your psyche is changing or being influenced and altered with the use of medication/drugs while your consciousness is "having fun" observing you going braindead.

I am afraid most people are having a completely wrong idea of as to what consciousness may be, like there are articles on the net, being completely utter crap, like telling:

"There is consciousness to notice within new born babies after certain weeks".

You just can´t take so easily notice of something you can´t even explain let alone locating it with telling what the fu** it actually really is. I think consciousness can only be "noticed" by the entity who is having it, not by those other stupid lifeforms being around it.

If consciousness would be so easy to taking notice of, then i assume it would have been as well understood and explained by those smartass rocketscientists out there already and we would already know what computer and robot is having consciousness and who has not.

"Identical twins" are not being 100% identical which makes them in fact NOT being the same as clones.

In theory, you could be cloned while making sure both you and your clone are raised and living sepperated in two but exact same environments with having the same treatment along with the same experiences, so according to you i guess this is the point where it gets complicated now, since you claimed "experience is causing you to be you" so now you not only have the same experience as your clone but share a 100% identical DNA code as well.

Why is the consciousness of your body actually you and why aren´t you someone else? There is obvoiusly a reason for you being actually you and you not being your neighbor. So what is causing you to be you? God? Your brain? Why? How? Now if your brain is causing you to be you, then the exact same brain of your clone, should cause the exact same, but since your clone has another differently own consciousness (which ain´t you), that must mean your brain is probably not the source then.

You are talking about storage of information and this ain´t the same as consciousness since consciousness does neither work like a HDD nor does it ever stores information to begin with.

Consciousness is only having an observing aspect, it doesn´t store information as well as it doesn´t send any signals to the physical body and it doesn´t steer any bodyparts as well as consciousness does not "think", that is what the brain is actually here for and this is what the brain is actually doing.

So your brain is doing all the thinking while you consciousness is observing it. Now if your body wouldn´t even have any consciousness, then your brain still would do thinking, your body doing stuff and live its life....there just wouldn´t be anyone there to observe/experience it.

And that is the reason, why robots, androids, the smartest AI etc. etc., work as well with or without any consciousness and the question as to whether those things have or do not have consciousness, is more or less irrelevant.

What actually happens when you become "unconscious"?

"The screen goes black and everything goes silent!" Sensory organs don´t work coz certain parts of the brain are shut down.

Now i say consciousness is still there and not affected by that "shut-down", while it is still observing, in this case it just observes a "black screen and silence".

@jaydan said:

The longer i watch this the more i have to grin.

To be continued...