@RetryAgain there are plenty of reasons why copyright laws exist, but the only argument anyone really needs to make is one of intellectual property. the idea that the fan creators shouldn't be held accountable for any ignorance of the audience is irrelevant, and it isn't the responsibility of the fans to expand or profit off of someone else's intellectual property in the first place. say, for example, you started work on a painting, or a drawing, or something, and you stopped working on it when you thought it was finished; but as it sat there for people to admire as a singular work, a fan of that painting decided that he was going to expand on that original painting by adding colors or painting different things into the background. the work no longer represents the intentions or will of the original creator. the reason certain products are licensed, like comics, for example, are to build in a certain amount of quality control and for other writers or artists to expand on the original idea within a controlled environment established by the work's original creator.
fan fictions are whatever, and people can and will continue to make whatever they want about the things that they like, but the idea is still owned by a single entity who has both a legal and creative claim to the work and any characters therein; and let's be honest, a lot of people misinterpret or learn the wrong lessons from certain works, and i can imagine how difficult it is for a creator to see their work misinterpreted and skewed by an audience member who thinks they have the right idea.
i would much rather see people be inspired and create works of their own than see another fan fiction or reinterpretation of an existing work. Final Fantasy VII is a videogame because that's the format it needed to exist in when it was created. the format of videogames is an interactive medium in and of itself, and when you take that away, often times you are left with a decent story, but limited or no connectivity to that world for the audience, which was the point of videogames in the first place; and maybe there are people who would rather just sit and watch something than interact themselves, but i guess they'll have to be satisfied with what Square Enix finds appropriate to release, and like it or not, they have every right to make that decision.
@plaintomato @zackcurl @deth420 i can see the point your making, for sure. i think at this point, MGS has a definitive vision, but it's more that the idea for spinoffs might suffer from what you are saying. i think MGR was not quite what people expected, and MGS fans are pretty ruthless about what they want. i can definitely see your point, but the truth is that these surveys happen all the time in the videogame industry, only sometimes with smaller groups and in a more private setting.
@deth420 it's not really trouble. from what i could gather, the game was a little polarizing, and there is nothing wrong with a company seeing what players would like out of their next game. gamers are always complaining that companies don't listen to consumers' suggestions, and they are coming right out to do that here.
@Gwoolhurme @stan_boyd i agree. unfortunately, even this place is way too negative pretty often. i don't understand why the general consensus is that you have to be hurtful to get your point across, or that the only way to show people you are serious and know more than them is to insult each other. we all really love videogames here, but they are only videogames; and though they may be part of our careers or lives, what is the point if all they do is make people angry and horrible to each other?
@somatzu @Cortana101 i like to think of it as like renting an apartment; you meet the landlord and go through the house with him, and it basically looks like shit, but he keeps telling you how it is going to be fixed and ready when you move in next month. you are skeptical, but you continue to give him the benefit of the doubt because you can see the potential behind it, and you want it to be great. when you finally move in, you realize how full of shit that guy was, but now you're stuck with a shitty apartment, and after you told all your friends how great it was going to be, all you can do at this point is complain about how he let you down.
i think if you go back to some of those videos, Gamespot made reference to them being from a work-in-progress, and i distinctly remember somewhere someone playing it and saying that the visuals were looking pretty dated and that they hoped they, along with some core mechanics, would be cleaned up by launch.
@bottaboomstick @zackcurl @zaneomega2 no, you're kind of wrong about that. is Django a good movie? no, but it's pretty fun and people liked it; that isn't the same thing. Is Citizen Kane a good movie? yes, but it isn't very fun to watch, though that doesn't diminish the craft of it.
there is an idea that things should be reviewed objectively, outside of an opinion about whether a story or character is good or not. is Deadpool a good, original character? no, even the guy that created him admitted that he was a rip off of Deathstroke, and by and large, if the 90s comic boom hadn't happened the way it did, and popular culture wasn't going in the direction it had, he wouldn't have the same personality. that doesn't mean people don't like him, though, and that is where the objectivity comes in.
when it comes to games, there are certain things that one should think about; sure, you love Deadpool, but can you honestly say that if you weren't a Deadpool fan that you would like this game? if that horrible Duke Nukem Forever game had Deadpool in it instead, would you like that game? everyone gives passes to things that they like, and that's fine, but we can't always pretend that they're good. i like a lot of things that i honestly don't think are very good, but i like them, so i give them a pass. you can't be upset that this game got the score that it did when it has a bad camera, cheap difficulty, and is basically just a reskinned version of an entire genre of games.
@zaneomega2 i think if you watch the review, it's pretty apparent that they did "actually play" the game. not being a Deadpool fan actually helps in this case; the game is objectively reviewed independently of the flimsy narrative created for a crude character that people like. you are a major Deadpool fan, so you bought the game, but this isn't a comic, it's a videogame; this website is here to review and discuss videogames, and it wouldn't be fair for them to give this game a higher score just because they like Deadpool. if the fundamentals of this game are flawed, then it's a flawed game, and it doesn't matter how fowl-mouthed or misogynistic the character is, or how funny someone finds that, a bad game is a bad game. i love Batman, but there hadn't been an honestly good Batman game until Arkham Asylum.
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