[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]We don't kill over ideas.:|sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="zombiefruit"]

Why do we allow racists to raise children and to interact with our society? There are no pros to racism. Only negatives. And racists will raise their children to be racists so the cycle continues.

And before someone says that people have the right to their opinion, that's a stupid concept. You raise your children as a mirror of yourself, maybe not exact but your children will be similar to you. And you always act subconsciously on your thoughts.

Scoob64

You are very confused- and quite frankly, you are scaring me... the second we start executing people for IDEAS and because they think in a way that is contrary to what is considered the positive social norm, the second you are living in a sick and twisted dictatorship.

I'll think whatever the hell I want to - and if you don't like it you can kiss my ***.

Why does God allow us to live any further? We're just beating a dead horse, the horse being ourselves. As far as morality goes, you don't kill people over ideas, unless they are taken to an extreme which directly harms other people.enterawesome

[QUOTE="lm2f"]I don't believe in harmony, multiculturalism, justice, human rights, humanitarianism, or any of that stuff, one should always be cautious of everything and trust no one, I only believe in acting for the good of oneself. jazzkrotch

STOP BEING FUNNY IN MA SERIOUS THREAD

[QUOTE="zombiefruit"]

Yeah you can.

I agree, I was wrong. After thinking about my idea after posting in haste I realize there are problems with my opinions.

A child's basic believes and personality are firmly implemented by age 5, (google it)

I don't need to google it because I just took a human development cIass (that I passed with an A) and that is an urban legend contradicted by evidence. Beliefs change and develop over the entire lifespan.

I agree with you, but I do believe that by the time children reach the school system they have a core set of beliefs that are very firmly implanted, and difficult to change.

Thank God for the education system.

The education system has not helped change my beliefs. My beliefs have changed by having conversations with other people outside of school. I wish school was designed in the way you believe it is.

and by that time it's too late for the school system.

If that were true at all then the school system wouldn't exist.

Well, no, it exists for a different kind of education.

No, education exists to benefit humanity by teaching them the basic principals of logic and writing. If people's beliefs never changed then the education system would be useless.

Mayb that is why the idea of education exists, but our education system is not the one you are describing.

The best thing would be to take children at birth, and raise them in a unbiased and fair educational atmosphere.

So, far, far away from the fascism you're talking about.

There is too much external stimulation when a child goes home every day and spends time with their genetic parents. And human rights are a new concept, only conceived recently.

the concept of human rights was "concieved" when humans had the ability to reason and figure out that humanity is special and deserves universal rights. Whether or not it is only recently applied is completely irrelevant and nothing more than an appeal to tradition fallacy (Google it).

But not all of humanity is special, and that's part of what I'm arguing.

ALL of humanity deserves the same fundamental rights. It DOES NOT MATTER whether or not you love their ideas or find them the most dispicable things in the universe; they are humans and are allowed to hold these ideas.

I have to disagree. I believe that murderers, rapists, etc. forefeit their human rights when they choose to commit crimes (but then again, this is hard to judge in our society, as their is so much constrast between cl (as) s it can put people in terrible situations).

They are not logical, nor are they the final "Evolution" of human rights.

They are nothing but logical, and human rights do not evolve.

By evolve I mean modified by culture and beliefs at the time of conception of said rights.

Again, this does not happen.

Yes it does. Our current culture belives in the current idea of human rights, but they are simply rights created by people living in our culture. Other cultures would have different beliefs, especially if they were adopting a more logical approach.

Theokhoth

[QUOTE="zombiefruit"][QUOTE="jer_1"]

Bingo, freedom should be protected above all else, IMO. Thinking that you can destroy and remove just will not work. Look at the war on "terrorism" and how well that's going. Every person we kill over there spawns many more "terrorists" and it feeds itself. Education is really the only real answer to this topic, not killing a whole massive portion of the population.

jer_1

Remove kids from their families and give them to whom? CPS? :lol: Yeah, I'd let my kid go to the government funded child molestation facility. Oh hell no! I think this is just something that has to be educated out of someone. Taking kids away from families like that is a very slippery slope.

I do give you credit for changing your mind on the whole "kill them all" mentality though!

[QUOTE="zombiefruit"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]

How do you know what their parents told them as a child?

Pirate700

[QUOTE="zombiefruit"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Because human rights entail the right to raise children and the right to live peacefully.

You want to get rid of racists? Improve the education system.

Theokhoth

Yeah you can.

I agree, I was wrong. After thinking about my idea after posting in haste I realize there are problems with my opinions.

A child's basic believes and personality are firmly implemented by age 5, (google it)

I don't need to google it because I just took a human development cIass (that I passed with an A) and that is an urban legend contradicted by evidence. Beliefs change and develop over the entire lifespan.

I agree with you, but I do believe that by the time children reach the school system they have a core set of beliefs that are very firmly implanted, and difficult to change.

and by that time it's too late for the school system.

If that were true at all then the school system wouldn't exist.

Well, no, it exists for a different kind of education.

The best thing would be to take children at birth, and raise them in a unbiased and fair educational atmosphere.

So, far, far away from the fascism you're talking about.

There is too much external stimulation when a child goes home every day and spends time with their genetic parents. And human rights are a new concept, only conceived recently.

the concept of human rights was "concieved" when humans had the ability to reason and figure out that humanity is special and deserves universal rights. Whether or not it is only recently applied is completely irrelevant and nothing more than an appeal to tradition fallacy (Google it).

But not all of humanity is special, and that's part of what I'm arguing.

They are not logical, nor are they the final "Evolution" of human rights.

They are nothing but logical, and human rights do not evolve.

By evolve I mean modified by culture and beliefs at the time of conception of said rights.