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Microsoft on Xbox One 1080p drama -- "It's all a game of trade-offs"

"Resolution alone is not the final determination" about whether a game looks good or not, studio manager Mike Ybarra says.

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Microsoft has yet again responded to the ongoing Xbox One 1080p/60fps debate, with studio manager Mike Ybarra saying "resolution alone" does not determine if a game looks good or not.

"I think the point that gets lost a lot is that it's all a game of trade-offs," Ybarra told MyXboxLive. "Resolution alone is not the final determination regarding if a game looks great or not. It's one of many different levers and it's up to the game teams to decide what is best for their unique game experience."

Ybarra's comments came in response to a question regarding Ryse: Son of Rome, which runs in 900p and is still considered one of the most visually impressive games for the Xbox One.

The other "levers" that developer Crytek employed to make the game look so impressive, Ybarra said, were things like various screen effects and scripted/dynamic instances. These elements, combined with the game's 900p resolution, are what makes the game look so good, he said.

Microsoft product planning director Albert Penello said about the 1080p/60fps drama in January that, "these little things get way overblown." Meanwhile, Microsoft corporate vice president Phil Harrison said just this week that the Xbox One's eSRAM is "clearly" not too small to output games at 1080p, using examples like Forza Motorsport 5 and Kinect Sports Rivals as examples.

It was also revealed this week that Respawn Entertainment's much-anticipated multiplayer shooter Titanfall will not run in 1080p.

Also in the interview, Ybarra said Ryse: Son of Rome review scores were "lower than we wanted."

"That's always hard on any game team that puts a lot of time and effort into a game," he said. Still, though the game's Metacritic score was a 60, Ybarra said user-review scores on Amazon are better, showing that people are enjoying the game.

"While there were certainly things we wished we could have gotten in the game and we understand the key criticism, we are proud of Ryse and think it is a fun experience for our audience," he said.

Ryse: Son of Rome was developed by Crytek and published by Microsoft Studios. It's unclear if Crytek is going to work on a sequel, though the developer is signed up through Microsoft's new independent development program ID@Xbox.

GameSpot and Metacritic are both owned by CBS Interactive.

[CORRECTION] An earlier version of this story quoted Ybarra as saying Ryse sales were below what Microsoft expected, but really he meant Ryse review scores were below what Microsoft expected. GamesSpot regrets the error.

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Yeah, right.

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So much bull. When HD consoles came out they bragged about it like crazy, Nintendo still does with the WiiU :). Now, resolution isn't important. Look, I get that it doesn't automatically make games better, but I think it's nice that they keep getting criticized for it because they deserve it.


I keep saying that expectations are the big deal here, even if the consumers are clueless. People look around them at all their devices and 1080p is old news. Now a new console comes out and they brag about how powerful it is, and it cannot do 1080p, that's it, that's what will stick in many people's minds, too bad.


People want to say that so many consumers are ignorant about this issue and that 1080p doesn't matter, and that may be true. But keep this in mind, these companies are happy to take advantage of consumer ignorance when it suits them, and have done so many times. Now that ignorance may be working against them, and I for one have no sympathy for them in such a situation.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> but it can do 1080p, forza is 1080p nba is 1080p, fifa is 1080p need for speed is 1080p sportsrivlasis1080p allof which maintain 60 fps. souce of this info is IGN sotrustworthy

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@kovaras1984 @hystavito yes, and notice that ryse looks better than all those games. those games you mentioned had to have the graphics toned down in order to run at 1080p with 60fps. this is because ryse has better shading quality, more detail, more decals and so on. and is also why ps4 will always look better and run at higher frame rate and resolution than xbox one (because it has a significantly larger amount of shaders and compute units, and also utilises gddr5 which is better bandwidth than ddr3 and esram). honestly, u xbox gamers aren't too bright are u. Any true gamer would take a keen interest on what makes games tick, just like any guitarist would learn what makes up their guitar, how to restring it, how to tune it and so on.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> info is all sourced from ign a post called somethin like ps4 xbox one native resolution n frame rates in a compare chart.. its easy to find lol.

and like i keep on saying im not a fanboy just dont like the sony lot been assholes on ever thread.... pc for me thank you very much. ps4 stole my little heart and didnt live upto my mediocre expectations so i sold it n now im botter that it was so boring

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<< LINK REMOVED >> Don't mind "kovaras1984", obviously he's been drinking the Minisquish coolaid and is a XB fanboy.

Yes, both systems do have some titles that can do 1080P @ (some unknown FPS. Unless something has changed that I'm not aware of Console gamers don't have tools to log+chart FPS performance.) but don't count on cross platform titles to have equal resolution/FPS and don't count on ether Console to keep up with what a modern PC can do.

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Get a clue. Gddr5 does not make the game. Xbox One exclusives are better and more entertaining then anything on the PS4 and the difference between non exclusives is barely noticeable. X1 fans are smarter then PS fans that's why we don't troll PS articles and we know how great the games are and will be for the X1. If you are Asian or enjoy Japanese anime then maybe you should stick with your PS4 but I live in the US and the X1 has the games I like.

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make me smile, the console specs are near enough identical, there's so little dif between them. The ps4/xbox one battle will end up coming down to software not hardware. where microsoft will win hands down


if the ps4 is so powerful why did dice need to downscale to 900p for bf4? because it couldn't handle 64 player multilayer at 1080 and maintain 60fps lol,that hardware on ps4 does have a marginal advantage but theres a difference between a consoles power in theory and reality. its down to sony to provide the devs with the tools to get the most out of it. something which they have no experience doing at all. its always been harder to program for PlayStation than xbox (until now... but even now micrcosoft are releasing a patch to make it much easier to use the eSRAM


to many people who dont know what there talking about get involved with these debates and feul the fire with no idea what there talking about then others come online and read everything they see as fact lol. xbo is a good machine, it can handle1080p. theres game out already doing this. the difference in hardware is been blown out of all proportion by the clueless

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@kovaras1984 there is no such thing as downscaling. the graphics on ps4 are rendered at 900p, they are not rendered at 1080p and then downscaled to 900p because that would be pointless and require more work from the gpu/apu to make the graphics look worse lol.


basically, the ps4's graphics are a little better than the xbox one's and rendered at 900p (not far from 1080p). They could have had the same graphics as xbox one, and rendered at 1080p but dice wanted the ps4 version to look more like the pc version since they know sony gamers care more about graphics than ms gamers. That is why they sacrificed 180 pixels in order to get better quality shaders, lighting and textures.


you can play halo 1 and 2 on pc at 1080p with 60 fps, and it still looks like shit. resolution isn't everything.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> you know PS4 runs BF4 at 900p and XO at 720p ? (Upscaled to 1080p like the X360)

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I bet you couldn't notice the difference between most cross platform games but Ryse on X1 looks better then anything on the PS4

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<< LINK REMOVED >> Agreed. We're talking about consoles here, with static hardware for at least the first 3-4 years. These slight differences are hardly noticeable.


At the end of the day, it will come to the software. No good exclusives really out for either, so the jury's not out yet on which system is the "best"


I'm old enough to remember the Neo Geo console era (which was short lived). There you had a true unequivocal gap between that and it's competitors regarding performance. The system flopped. Partially due to price but more predominately due to the fact that no one cared for the games.


Those here who proclaim they know undoubtedly the PS4 is the winner this generation, and not old enough to remember that era, need to look up this example... then take a deep breath

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At this point I would stop defending the product and focus on promoting the product. We already understand where MS stands on 1080p and now it's time for them to start promoting upcoming games and cool new Kinect features.

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It's hard to promote product when media outlets like gamespot focus on the negative and consistently focus and write articles on exactly what you are commenting about which is contradiction. If this site focused on the games the comments would reflect that

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"Xbox, record that!" is not a bad feature.....but it's something I could live without for a $399 X Box One.

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Jesus, am I the only person that is getting really sick of this resolution talk? God, we know, the PS4 is more powerful, it will likely run most of the third party games at 1080p while the X180 will at 900p/720p. I don't care, I'll still get the PS4 because what really determines if the console is worthwhile or not are the exclusives, and on a personal level, that's where Sony kicks everyone's butts.

The PS3 was more powerful than the 360, it was also harder to develop for, and most multiplarforms were inferior on PS3. I still got them on my PS3 since I use PS systems as my main system and others as secondary. It's the one system I actually collect trophies. Do I wish games like Bayonetta had proper ports, hells yes I wish, although it was still an excellent experience.

But let's stop this stupid resolution talk once and for all please? It's so irritating to see devs saying the X180 is inferior and the seeing MS doing damage control. If this is what we'll talk about all generation instead of news of new games, I think I'll just leave the hobby. Nintendo can run 1080p/60fps games on the Wii U, but it's still very underpowered in comparison to the others. It just so happens that he games they make are nothing close to graphics intensive and don't demand nearly as much resources to run at that resolution.


Oh well enough ranting for today, now I gotta go play Left Behind that I've been waiting for a long time...

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<< LINK REMOVED >> games are a matter of taste but i would have said microsoft had much better exclusives. i bought a ps4 and launch titles was a joke (nack) the console has been built up into something its not

ps4 has nothing to compete with halo quatom break forza titanfall. good quality games not to mention to the amount of exclusives Microsoft has lol

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>It's a matter of taste. None of MS's exclusives interest me. Though to be fair, all the launch exclusives, PS4 and X180, are mediocre.

As for not having anything to compete with those, that is just being a fanboy. You should know Sony has far more exclusives than MS has. The only difference is that the exclusives MS has, which are mostly Halo, Gear, Fable and Forza, have bigger audiences than those of Sony. But Sony has far more IP's, each with smaller audiences.

And please, don't say they are good quality games when the only one of those 4 you mentioned that is out is Forza 5. The others are not released and you passing a judgement that they are good is just plain fanboy sh*t that means nothing since you haven't played the retail version.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>God, you can't speak nor read English do you? If you did, you would have realised why I called you fanboy. And yes, you indeed just proved it. No matter how good past Halo games were, you can't say Halo 5 is good if it is not out. It's highly likely it will be great, but you just can't say that.

I love Resident Evil, and I want RE7 to be great. I wanted RE5 and RE6 to be masterpieces like RE4 and the entries before, but that didn't happen. RE5 and 6 turned out to be great games, but far from being close to the heights of the previous entries. And having the ability to distance yourself from your love from past games to accept that the next entry may be good or bad is something fanboys lack.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>you not even worth replying to, all your trying to do it invalid what i sai but painting me with the fanboy brush and your wrong it not true


halo is and has always been a good game halo 5 will no doubt be a good game and i confidently say then with out trying it at all and by that you call me a fanbouy lol i see xbox one down side as well and yes there is 1,but this isnt a place ofconvosation for that. i have a blanced view as i have actually owned both consoles and used them both for months

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> God... Am I speaking Chinese or something? Buddy, you are in you right to be excited about any game that will come out. You are also in your right to say that the game that is not out yet is good/great/excellent.

The thing is, if you tell me you are excited about Titanfall, I can understand you and accept that, since what you seen and played of it was great for you and therefore you are looking forward to playing it, but you are not giving a judgement on the game since you don't have the knowledge to do so.

However, if you tell me that Titanfall is an excellent game, and yet, you didn't play the final version of the game, you are just an idiot, because you are talking about something you have limited to no knowledge about.

The reason I called you a fanboy is because you said that multiple of MS games that are not out yet are great, which is just fanboy mentality. It's assuming that the games are great since they are MS games and you like them so games will be great.

Just to make a point, if you had told me you were more excited about MS's exclusives than Sony's exclusives, this discussion would have never happened. It's when you pass judgement on the unreleased games that it becomes a fanboy statement rather than a gamer opinion

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> it doesnt make you a fanboy to get excited over Minor number of exclusives coming out lol. you can make assumptions about stuff which isnt quiet out yet... it doesnt mean they will always be right (which i have all ready said) sometimes things dont live upto expectations sometimes things you pre judge turn out to be amazing... i do understand why your calling me a fan boy i just disagree with your reasoning. your wrong and to sit passing judgment onsome1 who has made a few comments on an online debate is just wrong. the real reason you call me afanboy is because its become an easy and acceptable way of dismissing other peoples opinions with out any justification...

any1 saying they never judge a game etc etc before its released date based on trailers n game play footage and demos is a lair we all do it. to think you will like halo more than nack even before both consoles came out wouldn't notmakesome1 a fanboy. pherpaps i just like the genre more so it apeals more on that alone, is everyone looking forward to titanfall an idiot just because its not out yet? must all be fanboys lol its called hype and somethings deserve it.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> God put your braincells to work. It's one thing to have a personal preference for MS's exclusives that are out or will come out. That is okay. But you seem to fail understand why I'm calling you a fanboy.

I'm not calling you a fanboy because you like their exclusives. I'm calling you a fanboy because you are saying their UNRELEASED games, games that AREN'T OUT YET are good. You can't say that. You can tell me they look interesting, but not that they are good since they aren't out. You can't measure the quality of the game on trailers or a Beta. For that you need a full release. A beta is a good indicator, but it's not the real actual game, so you still can't tell whether the game is good.

Is it that hard to understand? Make up your mind all you want on unreleased games, but that is just pure speculation and not something you can go around stating without being a dumb. Be intelligent and make up your mind once you get your hands on the actual final product and play it.

As for what people said before the PS4 launch, I could care less, I'm not in that crowd so that doesn't apply to me. It's just stupid. It's just like saying the X180 will be the worth console ever, ahead of release. How come? If you didn't play it, how do you know? (Of course, now that it is out, one can pass a judgement on it, but before release, that is just stupid and fanboy.)

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@DiamondDM13 @kovaras1984now your just been silly trying to make a personal attack on me because i dont agree with you. im far from a Microsoft fanboy lol, but if thats a label you have to paint me with because you carnt leave alone a debate about which has the best exclusives (which is a matter of opinion lol and i wont change mine because you choose to attack me with a very un constructive 'your just a fanboy so your opinion doesn't count attack') everyone is entitled to make up there own minds not be beat down every time the express a dif in opinion to our own...and even to a game isnt out yet doesn't mean you cant personally find the game/ongoing story etc etc etc more appealing personally... after all isnt that what a lot of people did with ps4 miles before the launch of either console based on limited info available. doesn't mean that the early conclusions are right ;)

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>You are a fanboy simple because like I said, you already passed judgement on games that aren't released yet. I don't care if you didn't like the PS4, that's up to you, that has nothing to do with being a fanboy. If you bought it and didn't like it, sucks for you and you did good on selling it. But when you say that games that aren't out yet are good, that is just being fanboy.

I said it, all the exclusives out now are mediocre, that applies to MS and Sony.

As for exclusive count, you have 15 MS exclusives on the first year that are not out and you can't say whether they are good or not, same for Sony.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> ok heres where your enlargements get used against you... im not fan boy i bought a ps4 and thought it sucked. found myself board a lot so i sold it recently psn was to bad to handle. you say only 1 of those games is out then bring up how many exclusives sony has which also arnt out yet lol(which isnt as many as Microsoft 15 in the first year) and for the record ive been lucky enough to try titan fall...very fun game defo describe it as quality only beta but very good. ifyou comparing titles which are all ready out... i stand by my words... xbox wins hands down imo and it is just an opinion because people like dif things out of games nack lol oh wait killzone! that got boring after 2 hours lol very bad game. forza any day of the week for me

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<< LINK REMOVED >> The Last of Us, God of War, and Uncharted are great and all, but they aren't system sellers like Zelda and Halo imo. The only reason "Resolutiongate" is the talk of the town now, is there are no big games out at the moment for the next gen systems to really talk about and promote and people just focus on the systems. What a horrible trend for console gaming:(

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>That is a personal opinion just like mine. I can't give a flying f*ck about Halo since it's a FPS set in space about a war. All things I can't get interested in.

Zelda, I wasn't presented to it for a very long time, and so it is not something I can get into now. I try to go as play the top down ones, but I simply can't cuz I'm far more used to 3D. The only change I'm giving is Ocarina since I got it on the PSP. But it's not a system seller for me due to not being into the franchise. GoW 3 along with some other games made me get the PS3. Closest thing Wii U has to a system seller is Bayonetta 2 since the original was brilliant.

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Wrong again. Xbox 1 sold over 100 million more in software. Halo series alone outsold every PS3 game combined except Gran Tourismo

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Here's the problem from the start, you have to rate each game individually and sells at LEAST 2mil per title as a success. That's what Sony, MS and third parties consider a successful title. When you look at each individual title that was considered highly anticipated against their competitors, they underperformed.

You have to understand, you're like the eleventy billionth person i've debated on this. After going back and forth crunching numbers all night, day after day...I'm done.

I get it - you're using VG charts as your source of numbers. Everyone does.

I'm using that in conjunction with NPD volumes and a handful other sources. That's where you're other problem lies. You don't have a thorough cross reference to check the titles you list. I'll give you one example... Left 4 Dead. Look for the rest and your other volume issues on your own... I'm sorry my friend. This time i'm serious...have a good night

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> Oh, so that makes it weirder. I'd have to check it back then.

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@DiamondDM13 @mos2000@rickphoenixxxwhen i say exclusives - i mean exclusives
even though I do consider exclusives to be games that were solely on one platform for an extended amount of time i.e Mass Effect 1 for 360 or Sons of liberty for PS3


In PS2 case, I'm talking pure exclusives

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>Just a question. On those PS2 exclusives, are you accounting for those that were later released to other platforms, like Xbox?

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> I told you to state me those exclusives that I am missing in the comment in case you haven't noticed... I stated the obvious ones,for both companies. I didn't go with smaller ones. I could list even more Sony exclusives that sold up to 2/3 million... As for cheating myself on GT numbers, it's not really a problem. My point was proven when the ratio is nowhere near 1.5-1 let alone 2.5-1....

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>Dude/Dudette In the 6th generation Sony(PS2) was primarily exclusives. Their exclusives outperformed everything in totality. I'm not running these totals either. The only exception was Mario titles. WTF are you looking at? You can't be serious - right?


I think I'm done hashing this back and forth. First your totals now this comment. I'll be crunching numbers all day just to bring you back into reality - good fn night....

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>LOL - either you are sleepy, had a seizure or just don't know what the ---- you are looking at.

You are forgetting a series of exclusives fo MS that sold over 2 mil for one, a number of your totals for PS exclusives are skewed. You even cheat yourself on GT numbers, it's closer to 17million.


I must convey that I did not factor in littlebigplanet. That 9mil brings the ratio down a "bit"


I'm not running these totals again. If I can find my original post, I'll copy and paste. Nice try though :)

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>A system seller by definition is a feature or in this case, a game, that sells the game to the consumer. Be that 5 or 5 million.

Also, I don't know what you are talking about Sony has never had exclusives that performed on the level of MS and Nintendo... it's not recent history, it's always been like that.

The thing is, Nintendo has a good amount of IP's, very old IP's that sell to kids or long time fans, and they sell very well, but they are not that many that perform like that. You have Mario, Zelda and Smash that hit hard.

Microsoft, they have Halo which sells them really well, and then Gears from last gen. Forza is their simulator and sells really well too, and Fable is a good seller too. But that ends there.

Sony, they don't have anything selling those numbers, except for Gran Turismo. Everything else, it all sells half of what Nintendo and MS's IP's sells. However, Sony has a far greater variety of IP's... It's just that they all sell poorly compared to Nintendo and MS... GoW, Uncharted and some others sell respectably but not on the same lever.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>Ok....


So based on your theory, if there are 5 people that buy a system because of said game, it's considered a "system seller" ... because "someone" bought it??? no matter how you spin it, no company in it's right mind... including Sony uses the term "system seller" in the same context as you do. It's based on overall performance. The performance for their exclusives in recent history just is not there



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<< LINK REMOVED >> Let's do 7th Gen alone okay(and retail only, no tracking for digital)? Halo (all 360 titles) sold 41 million copies, Gears sold 20 million, Fable sold 9 million, Forza sold 15 million. That equals 85 million copies. (I'm only counting these IP's, if I'm missing any important MS IP, please let me know)

Now Sony.

Uncharted 17 million, GoW 10 million, Killzone 5 million, GT 16 million, TLOU 4 million, inFamous 4 million, Littlebigplanet 9 million, Resistance 10 million, Ratchet & Clank 7 million. I'll stop here since this already makes 82 million. So even if you got some more MS IP's to use, they need to amount to over 120 million alone for the 2.5 ratio to be true. I do believe you can show me another 40 million that leads to the 1.5-1 ration I said.

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@DiamondDM13 @mos2000@rickphoenixxx With all due respect I've already had to show numbers to another user to show it's 2.5 - 1. You would have to take out Halo titles for it to be closer to 1.5 to 1.

Not going to waste my time and do it again. Please look up exclusives for both systems and run the totals


When it was said it's not a system seller, of course the other user was not referencing on a one-on-one basis. They meant overall. In comparison to their peers, due to the 2.5 - 1 ratio, they're not system sellers

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>It's a system seller for those who care about said games. It's all about the appeal of the games. Halo appeals to many people, Zelda too, far more than Bayonetta does. But that is all personal opinion when it comes to being system seller. Again, for me, out of the 3 games, only Bayonetta is a system seller since it's the only one I care about.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>I actually follow sales figures and in that respect Halo is a system seller along with Zelda....but maybe Zelda has fallen off a bit now. And Bayonetta being any kind of system seller is laughable even though it's a great game. It's sadly all about sales my friend.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>1.5 to 1, and yes, that is a fact. But I said that exact thing. The personal opinion comes when you say it's a system seller or is better than this and that. That is all personal opinion.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>It's not a personal opinion. It's fact. Sony exclusives are outperformed by MS exclusives 2.5 to 1

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when there are games running at 1080p on xbox one all ready i dunno how this is still been discussed lol. xbox one is more than capable of 1080p. proven by the games that was running at 1080p on launch day lol. Some devs choose less for other reasons... so did dice with ps4 running 900p on ps4 lol, Ps4 is basically a ps3 with upgraded hardware.... it does nothing new and exciting. xbox been an entertainment hub opens up options for the present and future... in 5 years time ps4 will still by a ps3 with pretty graphics. Game experience is most important and xbox wins there hands down...


xbox live vs psn (when it works lol). your in for a better experience on xbox live ever day of the week. unless a years of psn has put you off multilayer all together :)

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