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Whore of the Orient branded 'racial vilification' by member of Chinese-Australian community

Chinese-Australian community member finds game's name offensive; intends to make formal complaint to Human Rights Commission.

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Upcoming third-person action game Whore of the Orient has been labelled an "attempt to disgrace Chinese culture, history, and traditions" by a member of the Chinese-Australian community, according to a report by The Age.

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The claim, from City of Monash Deputy Mayor Jieh-Yung Lo, alleges that the game, which has been at least partially funded by government body Screen New South Wales, is offensive and does a disservice to cultural relations. So much so, he believes, that he intends to make a complaint to the Australian Human Rights Commission, saying that the game's title constitutes racial vilification. Citing privacy laws, a spokesperson for the commission told GameSpot that it was unable to confirm whether a complaint had been lodged.

"It's the use of the word 'Orient', more even than the word 'whore', that is the issue," Lo explained. "The O-word is very similar to the N-word for African-American communities. It's a 19th-century racial-colonial conception, and it's especially painful for older people in the communities. That was a very bad time in China, and people don't want or need to have that dragged up."

"'The most shocking revelation is that [game developer] Team Bondi received A$200,000 from Screen New South Wales to develop the project," he said later in the article. "Australian institutions should be encouraged to fund projects and initiatives that cultivate mutual understanding and prosperity in the Australia-China relationship. We need to build greater trust and cultural understanding, rather than promote division and negativity."

Responding to queries from The Age, Screen NSW told the publication that its role is to fund projects, not to dictate the tone or themes tackled as part of artistic endeavours.

"Screen NSW does not proscribe subject matter to content creators, including titles, but makes its funding decisions based on the creative integrity of a project and the expertise of the funding applicants," a spokesperson said. "'Whore of the Orient' is an historical nickname for the city of Shanghai."

While Jieh-Yung Lo has called for a halt to the game's development, he also told The Age that the ideal solution "would be a change of title."

KMM Interactive Productions, the game development arm of Australian film company KMM (responsible for Mad Max and Happy Feet) purchased the game's intellectual property and asset rights in 2011 from Team Bondi, the developer responsible for L.A. Noire.

Last month, a brief video of the game showing third-person cover mechanics, melee combat, and gunplay was leaked online. The game is reportedly targeting a 2015 release.

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Now this is the kind of publicity you simply cannot buy. Someone put this random Chinese Australian dude on the marketing payroll.

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@nait2k4 May be he don speaka da Enrish

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@Yatsukiii @nait2k4 Oh god, please delete that.

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@nait2k4 Sorry, but I don't consider sweltering desert heat to be good weather.

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@Yatsukiii I was going to correct you, but no need.

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@nait2k4 @punches4lunches @Yatsukiii Greetings from Poland!

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@LesserAngel @nait2k4 @punches4lunches @Yatsukiii LOL

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@nait2k4 @punches4lunches @Yatsukiii Well, at least NZ doesn't have to worry about post apocalyptic biker gangs.

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@punches4lunches @nait2k4 @Yatsukiii All our hobbits migrated to Australia, better jobs and weather.

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@nait2k4 @Yatsukiii You guys have the Shire though. Doesn't that make up for it?

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@nait2k4 @Yatsukiii Sucks for you, get back to herding sheep on a mountain!

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@Yatsukiii @nait2k4 I'm in New Zealand, we don't have freedom of speech here :)

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@nait2k4 @Yatsukiii My Freedom of Speech senses are tingling.

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@Yatsukiii @nait2k4 Regardless, G or not, I am offended and so you must delete it to protect my vulnerable sensibilities.

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@nait2k4 @Yatsukiii I forgot the G in Engrish.

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@Renegade_Garrus So if I made a game about 9/11 or the holocaust and how fun it was you wouldn't be mad?

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what a joke

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Doesn't the word "Oriental" also include parts of the Middle East?

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@Yatsukiii Historically it started off that way. It's moved farther east since. And it depends on which country you're in.

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@punches4lunches @Yatsukiii Interesting. Was there a reason it started to shift?

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@Yatsukiii @punches4lunches Eastern culture was closed off to Europeans for a long time. It was deemed more exotic than the Middle East and Indian areas by that time.

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"The O-word is very similar to the N-word for African-American communities."

That, right there, is by FAR the most racist part of any of this. Can he really be THAT stupid? I'm not quite sure where Oriental became "racist" anyway. Ignorant? Yes. Anachronistic? Yep. Racist? I'm not sure how, unless you consider all Asians as a single "race", which of course they are not (thus ignorant), but wouldn't that make the offended party just as "racist" as the speaker?

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@mietha

Everyone is racist to a degree. It's human behavior. We evolved to seek out people that look similar to us because it helped us survive. But in my opinion, a person is "racist" (ie bigoted) when they choose to make race a priority. Like, when someone tries to tell others that words they are using are racist when the person using them has absolutely no racial intent whatsoever. That's what I call "racism."

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@rarson @mietha My point being, someone calling someone else "Oriental" primarily shows ignorance on the speaker's part, and not much else. Maybe it's different in Aussie-land (and it very well could be), but in the US there are PLENTY of derogatory and insulting names for various asian nationalities/asian descents, but "Oriental", in my experience isn't one of them. I'm guess I'm still not being clear. If "Oriental" DOES have a negative, derogatory, or insulting nature, I'm not clear on where that is. I'm pretty sure everyone on the planet (or at least a LARGE number of them) are VERY clear on the negative connotations of the "N-word" and the origins of such. Certainly anyone in the US.

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@mietha @rarson Oriental has connections to past references to cultural segregation and alienation. It's pretty much only a U.S. thing, and even then I haven't head it being used in a derogatory way in a very long time. As you said, it's usually just an archaic term at worst.

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@mietha

Right, I agree. What I'm saying is that I think it's far more "racist" to point out racism where it doesn't exist than to unknowingly use a word that someone else might think is racist. If it's not racist when taken in context, then it's not racist.

As far as "the n-word" goes, the mere utterance of it does not make a person racist. Lenny Bruce made the point clear on many occasions that simply saying words does not equate to racism.

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@rarson @mietha That's called being stupid, not racism. Racism is systematic prejudice or hate.

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@l777l @punches4lunches @rarson @mietha If you hold a person's physical appearance (like beauty) as a regular factor in whether or not you alienate or disallow them service, then yes, it is prejudice. That's different than a biological attraction to symmetry or what not. I don't understand your confusion

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@punches4lunches @rarson @mietha In your view, is a "systematic" preference for beauty a systematic prejudice? Is a "systematic" preference for similarity, or dissimilarity?

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The most offensive part is that someone thinks that they should have the right to control creations, and those choices one should be allowed to make regarding their creation.

You start trying to get offended by what someone titles something that they create, eventually you run out of words to use as titles. It is a very dangerous game that this guy is playing, doesn't even want to know what the actual end results are to being easily offended by word combos.

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@Renegade_Garrus You're doing this again? Don't use Jieh-Yung Lo's stupid position as a platform to spew your hate.


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@punches4lunches

I am not spreading hate but we dont need anymore immigrants, the bus is full already. How about finding some jobs for our people in need instead of playing hero? For every immigrant who comes to this country that is one less job for our people not to mention one more burden in the social security system our own people can hardly get.

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@Renegade_Garrus That's a tall order. Some people immigrate when shit hits the fan, choosing to pick a new life than live in misery.

I don't see how this relates to the article really.

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@punches4lunches

Everyone is trying to survive. What is the point of a nation if it doesnt look out for its own? They should fix their own land instead of taking advantage of ours anyway

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@Renegade_Garrus I can see where you're coming from in this case, but those people going to your country were probably trying to survive, get a job, and become citizens. I'd take it as a compliment.

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This is a classic case of grandstanding by someone who wants to make a name for himself.

Comparing the world orient with the N word shows ignorance of the origin, context, perception, and modern meaning of both terms.

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@NotCeo Agreed. The title is more of a historical reference than derogatory. The word Orient or Oriental can be offensive in certain context, but this is far from it.

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@punches4lunches

Yes but more importantly he is a racist by saying white men should be ashamed of 19th century events even though China doesnt have clean hands either, that is real 'racial vilification'

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@punches4lunches @Renegade_Garrus I'm being racist! I can't stand whitey.

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@Renegade_Garrus No one is technically being racist here, just ignorant.

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@Renegade_GarrusWell, considering your "country" wasn't originally "yours" to start with, you sound like an idiot.

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@Yatsukiii

I was born here just like my parents and grandparents one of which died in WW2 so yeah kind if is my country moron

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@Renegade_Garrus @Yatsukiii Aww he deleted his comment. HUEHUEHUHEUE

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@Renegade_Garrus @Yatsukiii Oh dear, you really are an idiot. I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt but.......LOL

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@Yatsukiii @Renegade_Garrus
He obviously hasn't taken any history class, so just let him be.

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@Renegade_Garrus @Yatsukiii The land you are on is not yours. If you are a United States citizen, it is Natives land. Same thing for Australia. THAT is truth. So when you cry about immigrants, you should remember that YOU yourself are actually an immigrant. So stop your whining.

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@Yatsukiii

Yet you have made no legit argument aginst what I have said, maybe you need a debate class.

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@Renegade_Garrus @Yatsukiii That's exactly what I'm saying. I'm not trying to insult people, just stating facts my boy.

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@Yatsukiii

By your logic almost no country is legit then since land has changed hads all over the world all throughout history. What does it matter anyway? Im talking about current events not history.

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@Renegade_Garrus @Yatsukiii You cannot talk about the right to claim certain lands without bringing up history. Sorry bud, I guess you have never been in a debate class.

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@Yatsukiii

Im talking about today not history.

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@Renegade_Garrus @Yatsukiii Yes because speaking intelligence is to be drunk. You really must be stumped.

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You are drunk, go home

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@Renegade_Garrus @Yatsukiii I make perfect sense, you are just an idiot spewing idiotic entitlement to something that was never yours to begin with.

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@Yatsukiii

You arent even making any sense now. Go home you are drunk.

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@Renegade_Garrus @Yatsukiii Oh ok, so I guess by slaughtering people is just as acceptable than climate change and migration now. Is that what you are saying?

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@Yatsukiii

All land in history has changed hands at some point. But yeah Im talking about today not 300 years ago I dont see your point.

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@Renegade_Garrus Congratulations? Still doesn't mean the land you are on is yours. The only reason you are even there is because it was TAKEN from someone else. Try again moron.

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