Xbox One games must be activated online. Used games keys must be bought again.

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#1 S0lidSnake
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Wow. This is a mess. Now Phil Harrison has confirmed to Kotaku that you do need to activate every single game, and if you want to play it at a friend's house you need to buy a new activation code for it. That is, buy the whole f*cking game again.

Here's how the system works: when you buy an Xbox One game, you'll get a unique code that you enter when you install that game. You'll have to connect to the Internet in order to authorize that code, and the code can only be used once. Once you use it, that game will then be linked to your Xbox Live account. "It sits on your harddrive and you have permission to play that game as long as youd like," Harrison said.

Other users on the console will be able to play that game as well, Harrison said. So you don't need to buy multiple games per family. "With the built-in parental controls of the system it is shared amog the users of the device," he said.

But what if you want to bring a game disc to a friend's house and play there? You'll have to pay a feeand not just some sort of activation fee, but the actual price of that gamein order to use a game's code on a friend's account. Think of it like a new game, Harrison says. Kotatu

Update: Looks like IGN just made stuff up.

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Thought it was big enough to warrant its own thread. Didnt want the news getting buried in the other thread.

Xbox One game discs are only used for initial installation, fee charged for second account

Microsoft has said that a fee will be charged for any game disc to be tied to a second Xbox Live account after its initial installation. This is likely to limit the market for second-hand games, but would not eliminate the possibility altogether. The company is yet to confirm whether players will be able to play games from disc or run them on secondary accounts without paying for the installation, nor has it given any indication of what the fee may be.

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So the rumors were true. I never buy games used but I trade in nearly all of my games to fund new purchases. This is going to affect me putting money back in this industry. Just a terrible news for the industry. This is how you kill an industry.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/21/4352314/xbox-one-hard-drive-game-installs

Thanks to BlackKnight for posting the link.

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They lost me long before this with all their shitty, non-gaming features, but this would have killed any chance they ever had of getting me to buy one.

What a load of dogshlt.

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Thought it was big enough to warrant its own thread. Didnt want the news getting buried in the other thread.

Xbox One game discs are only used for initial installation, fee charged for second account

Microsoft has said that a fee will be charged for any game disc to be tied to a second Xbox Live account after its initial installation. This is likely to limit the market for second-hand games, but would not eliminate the possibility altogether. The company is yet to confirm whether players will be able to play games from disc or run them on secondary accounts without paying for the installation, nor has it given any indication of what the fee may be.

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So the rumors were true. I never buy games used but I trade in nearly all of my games to fund new purchases. This is going to affect me putting money back in this industry. Just a terrible news for the industry. This is how you kill an industry.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/21/4352314/xbox-one-hard-drive-game-installs

Thanks to BlackKnight for posting the link.

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Not true exactly as it can still play the games. The fee if handled correctly would be enough to have people opt to pay the extra $5 to get the game new rather than second-hand. If the game has been out a long time it could help developers recoup a bit of the cost but not be enough to offset the advantage of buying second-hand for many people. Well, that is the ideal situation.
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Oh and by the way, this means that if you don't have an internet connection you can't activate games
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I'm shocked they're actually moving forward with this. It's better than them outright blocking used games entirely, but it's still a really shitty move. Really curious to see if this will actually work.

Have they said how big of a fee you'd need to pay?

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I'm shocked they're actually moving forward with this. It's better than them outright blocking used games entirely, but it's still a really shitty move. Really curious to see if this will actually work.

Have they said how big of a fee you'd need to pay?

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Online pass was $10 for every multiplayer game. It would be the same here.

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[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]Oh and by the way, this means that if you don't have an internet connection you can't activate gamesdvader654
No I would assume you can run it off the disc but have no Internet features available.

No no. It is all tied to your XBL account. So you cant activate it unless you are connected online. And if you buy a used game, you cant play it until you activate it online.

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They lost me long before this with all their shitty, non-gaming features, but this would have killed any chance they ever had of getting me to buy one.

What a load of dogshlt.

Shame-usBlackley

Took the words out of my mouth.

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Updated with gaf's thread title. much more explosive. :P
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I expect Sony to follow suit with something as equally as ridiculous. No way they aren't gonna want a piece of this pie. Expect it guys. Console gaming is a godamn mess.
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#14 fl4tlined
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So if my dad or me were to buy a game and play it on the same console we would not be able to play it on both accounts? seriously one xbox is enough with basically screwing over rental places like gamefly but to make it only one account... go go glorious pc gaming master race
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[QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]Oh and by the way, this means that if you don't have an internet connection you can't activate gamesS0lidSnake

No I would assume you can run it off the disc but have no Internet features available.

No no. It is all tied to your XBL account. So you cant activate it unless you are connected online. And if you buy a used game, you cant play it until you activate it online.

Exactly, which is just as bad as always online for a lot of people, including my best friend who doesn't have internet at home
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[QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"]I expect Sony to follow suit with something as equally as ridiculous. No way they aren't gonna want a piece of this pie. Expect it guys. Console gaming is a godamn mess.

uhm, PC gaming has been exactly like this for years. Single use CD-Keys anyone?
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Oh and by the way, this means that if you don't have an internet connection you can't activate gamesBlack_Knight_00

Oh man, that's right! I didn't even think of that! They really can block used games then. Devious.

I expect Sony to follow suit with something as equally as ridiculous. No way they aren't gonna want a piece of this pie. Expect it guys. Console gaming is a godamn mess.GodModeEnabled

I don't know. Sony could use this to their advantage by not forcing such draconian measures. Might win them some additional support.

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Oh and by the way, this means that if you don't have an internet connection you can't activate gamesBlack_Knight_00
If you don't have an internet connection, how would the system know the game is used?
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I like to buy used games and will no doubt buy loads when I get my PS3 and with less worries as blu-rays are more scratch resistant. This is a really crazy move. It also makes me wonder why they're bothering with discs at all.
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I hope games tie to systems rather than accounts. If it ties to accounts it would mean that the game I bring home would be no good to anyone else in my family. One family buying several copies of one game is just sad.
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[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]Oh and by the way, this means that if you don't have an internet connection you can't activate gamesrragnaar
If you don't have an internet connection, how would the system know the game is used?

I assume the discs would come loaded with a free CD-key that the system looks for upon installation.

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[QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]

[QUOTE="dvader654"] No I would assume you can run it off the disc but have no Internet features available.dvader654

No no. It is all tied to your XBL account. So you cant activate it unless you are connected online. And if you buy a used game, you cant play it until you activate it online.

They said it plays offline games so no.

Once the game is activated (online) and tied to your account you can play offline if you want to, but you need internet to get started
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[QUOTE="rragnaar"][QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]Oh and by the way, this means that if you don't have an internet connection you can't activate gamesc_rake

If you don't have an internet connection, how would the system know the game is used?

I assume the discs would come loaded with a free CD-key that the system looks for upon installation.

Totally. I'd forgotten about CD keys.
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[QUOTE="rragnaar"][QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]Oh and by the way, this means that if you don't have an internet connection you can't activate gamesc_rake

If you don't have an internet connection, how would the system know the game is used?

I assume the discs would come loaded with a free CD-key that the system looks for upon installation.

My guess is that every disc comes with a unique code burned in the disc itself, which is automatically associated to your account on a remote server when you first install the game. After that, that code is useless forever and you need to purchase another one if you want to play on a second account, even if that account is also yours.

by the way, with this method if your account gets hacked you lose all your games. This console is Adolf Hitler made plastic

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I hope games tie to systems rather than accounts. If it ties to accounts it would mean that the game I bring home would be no good to anyone else in my family. One family buying several copies of one game is just sad.Articuno76

If it's anything like Microsoft's DLC policy, it will mean that anything installed on the system will be available for anyone to use. Installing on other consoles after that is tied directly to the person's account.

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[QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"]I expect Sony to follow suit with something as equally as ridiculous. No way they aren't gonna want a piece of this pie. Expect it guys. Console gaming is a godamn mess.

uhm, PC gaming has been exactly like this for years. Single use CD-Keys anyone?

Exactly. Consoles are falling apart because they are becoming just like PCs.

yeah at this point seeing them flaunt features such as being able to do multiple things at the same time and this whole shenanigans with installing games once then costing a fee basically taking away one of the main and great points about console gaming.. not helping the fact that the newest COD game looked worse then crysis 3 WHY in the absolutely **** would you not convert to our glorious pc gaming master race?
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Wow. Well that's stupid.  :|

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[QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"] uhm, PC gaming has been exactly like this for years. Single use CD-Keys anyone?fl4tlined
Exactly. Consoles are falling apart because they are becoming just like PCs.

yeah at this point seeing them flaunt features such as being able to do multiple things at the same time and this whole shenanigans with installing games once then costing a fee basically taking away one of the main and great points about console gaming.. not helping the fact that the newest COD game looked worse then crysis 3 WHY in the absolutely **** would you not convert to our glorious pc gaming master race?

 

That kind of attitude is a damn good reason.

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WHY in the absolutely **** would you not convert to our glorious pc gaming master race?fl4tlined
The answer is in the question itself
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[QUOTE="Articuno76"]I hope games tie to systems rather than accounts. If it ties to accounts it would mean that the game I bring home would be no good to anyone else in my family. One family buying several copies of one game is just sad._Dez_

If it's anything like Microsoft's DLC policy, it will mean that anything installed on the system will be available for anyone to use. Installing on other consoles after that is tied directly to the person's account.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/407912/microsoft-confirms-pre-owned-fee-for-xbox-one/ "What follows naturally from this is that each disc would have to be tied to a unique Xbox Live account, else you could take a single disc and pass it between everyone you know and copy the game over and over. Since this is clearly not going to happen, each disc must then only install for a single owner." I dunno this makes it sound pretty clear it's per a xbox live account...
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If Sony does it, I imagine they will leave it up to publishers rather than make it an official policy. It is the smart move on their part, they tell us 'hey, that's the cost of doing business with EA and Activision, but it isn't something we do with our games'. They keep the big pubs happy without really taking a stance on the issue.
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[QUOTE="fl4tlined"][QUOTE="dvader654"] Exactly. Consoles are falling apart because they are becoming just like PCs. MonoSilver

yeah at this point seeing them flaunt features such as being able to do multiple things at the same time and this whole shenanigans with installing games once then costing a fee basically taking away one of the main and great points about console gaming.. not helping the fact that the newest COD game looked worse then crysis 3 WHY in the absolutely **** would you not convert to our glorious pc gaming master race?

 

That kind of attitude is a damn good reason.

really you would rather have the children of xbox live compared to the adult communities of say red orchestra? Also i used that as a joke xD
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[QUOTE="fl4tlined"]really you would rather have the children of xbox live compared to the adult communities of say red orchestra? Also i used that as a joke xD

What's your most awaited PC exclusive game?
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[QUOTE="MonoSilver"]

[QUOTE="fl4tlined"] yeah at this point seeing them flaunt features such as being able to do multiple things at the same time and this whole shenanigans with installing games once then costing a fee basically taking away one of the main and great points about console gaming.. not helping the fact that the newest COD game looked worse then crysis 3 WHY in the absolutely **** would you not convert to our glorious pc gaming master race?fl4tlined

 

That kind of attitude is a damn good reason.

really you would rather have the children of xbox live compared to the adult communities of say red orchestra? Also i used that as a joke xD

Well if you hadn't guessed already I'm not getting the Xbox One. Also, I'm not going to discuss gaming communities here as it's not relevant.
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If Sony does it, I imagine they will leave it up to publishers rather than make it an official policy. It is the smart move on their part, they tell us 'hey, that's the cost of doing business with EA and Activision, but it isn't something we do with our games'. They keep the big pubs happy without really taking a stance on the issue.rragnaar

That's what I'm hoping. They've already said that they're letting the publishers decide. Now it's just a matter of seeing whether Sony sticks to their word and doesn't make it mandatory.

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[QUOTE="Articuno76"]I hope games tie to systems rather than accounts. If it ties to accounts it would mean that the game I bring home would be no good to anyone else in my family. One family buying several copies of one game is just sad._Dez_

If it's anything like Microsoft's DLC policy, it will mean that anything installed on the system will be available for anyone to use. Installing on other consoles after that is tied directly to the person's account.

TBF I can't even play full versions of games I have bought and downloaded on my system on other profiles (all the profiles being native to the system I downloaded the game for). I tried playing Shadow Complex on an alternate profile and it would only load up a demo. MS would do well to take a page out of Sony's playbook when it comes to DRM.
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Well if this turns out to be true I surely won't be buying an Xbox One. I have 4 people in my household, and two different Xboxs now. I'm surely not going to be paying fees to activate games for all those different accounts. MS better seriously reconsider this madness.

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[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="fl4tlined"]really you would rather have the children of xbox live compared to the adult communities of say red orchestra? Also i used that as a joke xD

What's your most awaited PC exclusive game?

rome 2, company of heroes 2, rising storm, arma 3, dayz stand alone, the forest, battle cry of freedom (a 500 players civil war game with destructible environments.), the game of thrones mod update for crusader kings 2 are just the ones off the top of my head.
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[QUOTE="fl4tlined"][QUOTE="MonoSilver"]

 

That kind of attitude is a damn good reason.

MonoSilver
really you would rather have the children of xbox live compared to the adult communities of say red orchestra? Also i used that as a joke xD

Well if you hadn't guessed already I'm not getting the Xbox One. Also, I'm not going to discuss gaming communities here as it's not relevant.

I used to be a console fanboy ( xbox for the most part) I have now converted to pc gaming.. and ironically enough i lean more towards the ps3 now due to their exclusives such as quantic dreams games and journey. also so I don't make 3 post in a row for your earlier comment yes this will effect used gaming but what about various establishments such as red box or gamefly. Gamefly is basically finished after this. and i know... oh i know they will end up jacking the prices of games up to 70 dollars due to technology or some shit and this stupid crap will be then translated over to pc games.
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I knew they were going to go in this direction. It looks like the WiiU, 3DS, and Vita will be the last dedicated gaming machines I buy. Time to buy a new video card, I guess.
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[QUOTE="MonoSilver"][QUOTE="fl4tlined"] really you would rather have the children of xbox live compared to the adult communities of say red orchestra? Also i used that as a joke xDfl4tlined
Well if you hadn't guessed already I'm not getting the Xbox One. Also, I'm not going to discuss gaming communities here as it's not relevant.

I used to be a console fanboy ( xbox for the most part) I have now converted to pc gaming.. and ironically enough i lean more towards the ps3 now due to their exclusives such as quantic dreams games and journey.

 

I'm not a console fanboy btw. I have over 140 games on Steam but I can't seem to play any of them for more than 10 minutes as I just get bored. I want to move back over to console gaming like I used to. I had a 360 but traded it in ages ago as I was bored of that too. The PS3 is much more enticing to me mainly thanks to the PS1 and PS2 classics available. Hence why I'm buying one in a few days. :)

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[QUOTE="fl4tlined"][QUOTE="MonoSilver"] Well if you hadn't guessed already I'm not getting the Xbox One. Also, I'm not going to discuss gaming communities here as it's not relevant.MonoSilver

I used to be a console fanboy ( xbox for the most part) I have now converted to pc gaming.. and ironically enough i lean more towards the ps3 now due to their exclusives such as quantic dreams games and journey.

 

I'm not a console fanboy btw. I have over 140 games on Steam but I can't seem to play any of them for more than 10 minutes as I just get bored. I want to move back over to console gaming like I used to. I had a 360 but traded it in ages ago as I was bored of that too. The PS3 is much more enticing to me mainly thanks to the PS1 and PS2 classics available. Hence why I'm buying one in a few days. :)

yeah the classics is also kind of cool... sadly alot of them run sorta shitty on the ps3.. I had problems with ffvii after i bought it for some reason.. sad to see the xbox won't be also backwards compatible..
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I know this sounds crazy, but there could be a positive side effect from this. What if this helps PC gaming?

I mentioned this idea in the other thrad for what PC games should be like, in order to allow a used games market....minus the fee of course.

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Now i think about it this change sort of makes sense apparently you will be able to install games and play them without having the disc in.. I mean imagine if you could just rent or buy a game install it and return it the same day.. they would lose sooo much money.. But how their going about it with one xbox live account per a game just seems criminal and a money grab...
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#50 MonoSilver
Member since 2013 • 1392 Posts
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[QUOTE="fl4tlined"] I used to be a console fanboy ( xbox for the most part) I have now converted to pc gaming.. and ironically enough i lean more towards the ps3 now due to their exclusives such as quantic dreams games and journey.fl4tlined

 

I'm not a console fanboy btw. I have over 140 games on Steam but I can't seem to play any of them for more than 10 minutes as I just get bored. I want to move back over to console gaming like I used to. I had a 360 but traded it in ages ago as I was bored of that too. The PS3 is much more enticing to me mainly thanks to the PS1 and PS2 classics available. Hence why I'm buying one in a few days. :)

Hopefully they've improved since then. There's also all the PS3 exclusives I've missed out on so I doubt I'll be buying the PS4 at launch as I'll be kept pretty busy. I can understand why the new consoles won't be backwards compatible though, because of the difference in the hardware. yeah the classics is also kind of cool... sadly alot of them run sorta shitty on the ps3.. I had problems with ffvii after i bought it for some reason.. sad to see the xbox won't be also backwards compatible..