Xbox One games must be activated online. Used games keys must be bought again.

So based on what I have seen so far, Xbox One has a terrible name and will have some cool features.... and also some terrible features. 

At the moment I'm leaning towards only getting PlayStation 4 until I see more info confirmed by Microsoft.

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dvader654

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Black_Knight_00

this is the problem i fear.

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punkpunker

this is the problem i fear.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/408116/microsoft-xbox-one-pre-owned-plans-consistent-with-way-the-world-works/

"Activation codes is the way the world is now".

So games for the nextbox are basically using the same cd-key system that PC was using 10 years ago? Might as well just build a $400 PC, install steam, and buy all the games at half price(during sales).Moriarity_

A $400 PC is going to give you next generation games, Kinect and all the cool features? Why might as well not just buy the Xbox One?

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http://www.computerandvideogames.com/408116/microsoft-xbox-one-pre-owned-plans-consistent-with-way-the-world-works/

 

"Activation codes is the way the world is now".

dvader654

I'm still confused about this online connectivity stuff. Is there a once a day online check? Can you play a singleplayer game offline indefinitely? What's the deal?

[QUOTE="Moriarity_"]So games for the nextbox are basically using the same cd-key system that PC was using 10 years ago? Might as well just build a $400 PC, install steam, and buy all the games at half price(during sales).alexwatchtower

A $400 PC is going to give you next generation games, Kinect and all the cool features? Why might as well not just buy the Xbox One?

No one cares about Kinect.

The One, as it stands, sort of does just look like a bad PC, actually. Especially considering Microsoft makes it's money on shooters.. may as well get a PC and play those shooters with the superior mouse/keyboard setup.

Now Microsoft is being even more vague.

Reports of Xbox One's online requirements and used-game fees are no more than "potential scenarios" and not concrete details, Microsoft told Polygon via email.

"While Phil [Harrison] discussed many potential scenarios around games on Xbox One, today we have only confirmed that we designed Xbox One to enable our customers to trade in and resell games at retail," Microsoft told Polygon.

Initial news from Wired stated that those with second-hand or used games would be required to pay a small fee before being able to play.

Additionally, Kotaku spoke with vice president Phil Harrison during today's event, where Harrison told the publication that users would need to connect to the internet every day. Microsoft could not confirm these details.

"There have been reports of a specific time period those were discussions of potential scenarios, but we have not confirmed any details today, nor will we be," Microsoft said.

Microsoft said earlier today that Xbox One would not require an always on internet connection. The statement is echoed on Microsoft's Q&A page, which says that the Xbox One does require a connection, but does not always have to be connected.

Polygon

Seriously you guys reeeeeallly need to read this before you all drive yourselves mad trying to make sense of it all. It's spelled out more or less sentence by sentence.

You're not going to find out anything yet. 

Seriously you guys reeeeeallly need to read this before you all drive yourselves mad trying to make sense of it all. It's spelled out more or less sentence by sentence.

You're not going to find out anything yet. 

alexwatchtower

Agreed. It would explain so much about all these horrible decisions and vague retractions.

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Seriously you guys reeeeeallly need to read this before you all drive yourselves mad trying to make sense of it all. It's spelled out more or less sentence by sentence.

You're not going to find out anything yet. 

dvader654

No. This is not some master plan by MS, that article is 100% BS. This is a complete disaster by MS and they did not want that. They have no clie what they are doing. Phil Harrison is stumbling from interview to interview making things worse every second he opens his mouth.

This. Microsoft has f*cked up, plain and simple. The vague responses and contradicting statements made by their own executives proves that. 

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[QUOTE="Moriarity_"]So games for the nextbox are basically using the same cd-key system that PC was using 10 years ago? Might as well just build a $400 PC, install steam, and buy all the games at half price(during sales).syztem

A $400 PC is going to give you next generation games, Kinect and all the cool features? Why might as well not just buy the Xbox One?

No one cares about Kinect.

The One, as it stands, sort of does just look like a bad PC, actually. Especially considering Microsoft makes it's money on shooters.. may as well get a PC and play those shooters with the superior mouse/keyboard setup.

So don't buy a Microsoft Xbox One that they specifically designed for your living room.

But a Microsoft Windows PC that they didn't. Get the one they designed for your computer room and put it in the living room?

Gotcha. Great idea!

X1 is definitely looking like something to pass on for me. Wii U actually has a one up on Microsoft after their shitty reveal today. This whole next gen craze seems to be more geared towards technology than gaming. I doubt anything impressive comes out of Microsoft's E3 reveals. Their 1st reveal was a multiplat sports game.I'll stick with PS3 for now and maybe purchase a PS4 sometime in 14 - 15.

[QUOTE="CarnageHeart"][QUOTE="dvader654"] No you don't. Sony will be king again and we shall all rejoice. :PShame-usBlackley

It's been that way for three years already. It's just that nobody took the time to notice. The Microsoft that released the 360 is dead and gone...

I'd say MS's lack of focus on the core in recent years hasn't hurt the Xbox much because many third parties have focused on the core and they have a still healthy indie scene (though its been declining since MS has started treating many indies like sh!t in the past could years). But MS's new focus has impacted the hardware design of the Xbox1 and the library, and they still seem to be alienating indies, which I sincerely don't understand since indie games (different onces) appeal to casual and core gamers.

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[QUOTE="Moriarity_"]So games for the nextbox are basically using the same cd-key system that PC was using 10 years ago? Might as well just build a $400 PC, install steam, and buy all the games at half price(during sales).syztem

A $400 PC is going to give you next generation games, Kinect and all the cool features? Why might as well not just buy the Xbox One?

No one cares about Kinect.

The One, as it stands, sort of does just look like a bad PC, actually. Especially considering Microsoft makes it's money on shooters.. may as well get a PC and play those shooters with the superior mouse/keyboard setup.

The Kinect isn't loved by the core but the hardware flies off the shelves (a while ago I read that 30% of X360 owners had a Kinect and I wouldn't be surprised if the percentage was higher nowadays). Kinect fans don't seem to buy much in the way of games (I haven't heard a Kinect game putting up huge numbers like some Wii games did back in the day though dance and exercise games seem to do well) but if they just use Kinect to watch TV or whatever, MS is fine with that because they still have plenty of content and services to sell them.

So in 10 or so years time id they stop supporting the servers your box will no longer be usable at all. In 20 years time you wont be able to get your xbox one out of a cupboard for some retro gaming which is sad really, but I guess its a future that is already here ultimately we own nothing.Dreamcast86

You know there's a real simple solution to all of this. A solution that I think both Microsoft and Sony know most gamers will never go through with: Don't buy it.

It was Microsofts plan all along gaiz to destroy their brandname and garner massive negative press. LOL.GodModeEnabled

This has got to be some of the most insane news I've been reading all week long.

Well, MS, it looks like you've had a good run....

This has got to be some of the most insane news I've been reading all week long.

Well, MS, it looks like you've had a good run....

Metamania

The third console curse takes another victim.

And man, this one is going to be messy.

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This has got to be some of the most insane news I've been reading all week long.

Well, MS, it looks like you've had a good run....

Shame-usBlackley

The third console curse takes another victim.

And man, this one is going to be messy.

PS3 escaped the curse thoughBlack_Knight_00

The PS3 was definitely a failure for Sony. It lost a staggering amount of marketshare. It sold half as much as its predecessor. The Cell was a complete failure. The only thing that did work out as Sony intended is the Blu-Ray drive which helped in making the format standard.

I don't get how some users can blindly follow along with such anti-consumer/gamer strategies as this company has employed. Since the first Xbox's inception (not the One, weird name for a 3rd console), I could see where they where headed. Live was good for gaming and having HDD was too, but it seems literally nothing else they implemented has been.

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]PS3 escaped the curse thoughUpInFlames

The PS3 was definitely a failure for Sony. It lost a staggering amount of marketshare. It sold half as much as its predecessor. The Cell was a complete failure. The only thing that did work out as Sony intended is the Blu-Ray drive which helped in making the format standard.

I'm curious about something:

Why is lending your friend a game you purchased now impossible with this no-used system?  Say I buy a game and DD it to my HDD.  I then wish to go over to my friend's house and play it with him.  On his system, through his Live account I'm able to login to mine to gain access to my game library, which I can choose to transfer any license to his system.  Upon transfer, the game is deleted off of my HDD and installed onto his.  Now it's only playable and linked to his account, but is removed and inaccessible on my system. When I wish to play it I do the same thing.  It's wiped off his system and installed onto mine.

Games could be traded like this, and it wouldn't affect sales any more than it would as it stands now.  It's the same exact thing, except the game are attached to accounts and not physical media.  It can only be played on one system at a time.  This would still allow for the elimination of used sales while allowing people to borrow software.  If used sales are eradicated and they were making all that extra $$$ from people being forced to buy new, I don't think MS or many publishers would give a sh!t if people lent games to whomever they wished at any time and with no charge.  That single license has been paid for, and it's being used by only one person at any one time.  

Entire friends' libraries could be shared at the touch of a button without even having to leave your house to deliver it.  And if the owner wants it back, they have the right to simply lock out the license for the other system and redownload.  There's no reason we can't lend our games out without paying a cent.  If someone wanted to keep it a lent game, they'd pay the fee and the game then unlocks on both systems.  Games cease to be products and become activation codes to license.  Sure, once bought you can't sell them or even get rid of them, but you can trade between friends.

I see no reason why this wouldn't work.  Obviously the Internet would be needed, and yea it sucks if he has none, but I can't think of any other reason that would impede this.

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]PS3 escaped the curse thoughUpInFlames

The PS3 was definitely a failure for Sony. It lost a staggering amount of marketshare. It sold half as much as its predecessor. The Cell was a complete failure. The only thing that did work out as Sony intended is the Blu-Ray drive which helped in making the format standard.

I wouldn't exactly call the PS3 a failure though, because it still provided a lot of good entertainment with a lot of decent games on it. That's success in my book. As long as it delivers the games in some ways, then it's definitely not a failure.

[QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="CarnageHeart"]I missed the reveal but after reading all these details I missed nothing. I hope MS gets its sh!t together.S0lidSnake

Sony WILL announce used game blockage similar to this AND put online multiplayer behind the PS+ paywall. There are only tears ahead for us. 

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[QUOTE="Metamania"]

This has got to be some of the most insane news I've been reading all week long.

Well, MS, it looks like you've had a good run....

Black_Knight_00

The third console curse takes another victim.

And man, this one is going to be messy.

It really didn't.

When you consider what Sony had going into the generation, and what they walked out of it with, I'd say the curse is alive and well. Granted, they rebounded nicely by staying focused on games and acquiring key talent, but man, it was NOT pretty for the PS3 for pretty much the entire generation. In fact, I'd argue Sony is the only reason Microsoft got as far as they did. If Sony had come out swinging, Microsoft would have finished dead last; it wouldn't have even been a contest.

Still, when contrasted with the XBONE, the PS3 looks like Einstein material./

Laugh Out Loud. This is great, I was hoping for that, the more that side with PS4, the better Sony will be aswell as the people using their system.

It really didn't.

When you consider what Sony had going into the generation, and what they walked out of it with, I'd say the curse is alive and well. Granted, they rebounded nicely by staying focused on games and acquiring key talent, but man, it was NOT pretty for the PS3 for pretty much the entire generation. In fact, I'd argue Sony is the only reason Microsoft got as far as they did. If Sony had come out swinging, Microsoft would have finished dead last; it wouldn't have even been a contest.

Still, when contrasted with the XBONE, the PS3 looks like Einstein material./

Shame-usBlackley

(not the One, weird name for a 3rd console)

shellcase86

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]It really didn't.

When you consider what Sony had going into the generation, and what they walked out of it with, I'd say the curse is alive and well. Granted, they rebounded nicely by staying focused on games and acquiring key talent, but man, it was NOT pretty for the PS3 for pretty much the entire generation. In fact, I'd argue Sony is the only reason Microsoft got as far as they did. If Sony had come out swinging, Microsoft would have finished dead last; it wouldn't have even been a contest.

Still, when contrasted with the XBONE, the PS3 looks like Einstein material./

Black_Knight_00

Well, both. Sony hemmorhaged exclusives, for starters. And really, they are viewed more as a challenger to Microsoft now rather than the leader they were going into the generation. The system also exploded their financials for years and years. It was a failure in the sense of how much it had going for it that was lost due to poor decisions, not because it was a poor machine.

Well, both. Sony hemmorhaged exclusives, for starters. And really, they are viewed more as a challenger to Microsoft now rather than the leader they were going into the generation. The system also exploded their financials for years and years. It was a failure in the sense of how much it had going for it that was lost due to poor decisions, not because it was a poor machine.Shame-usBlackley

What if it was a digital download and you log in using your account at a friend's house? Seems like a viable, free solution to me.donalbane

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]Well, both. Sony hemmorhaged exclusives, for starters. And really, they are viewed more as a challenger to Microsoft now rather than the leader they were going into the generation. The system also exploded their financials for years and years. It was a failure in the sense of how much it had going for it that was lost due to poor decisions, not because it was a poor machine.Black_Knight_00

Well, it turned out to be the only true conventional gaming machine of the generation.

I don't have a problem with their library; most if not all of Sony's problems were related to price. Even still, knowing that, imagine how the PS3 would have fared had it been $300-400 instead It likely would have completely changed the landscape in America and possibly even Japan (although the Japanese market got all fvcked in the head and likely would have went to the Wii anyway, but still it would have done better).

That's what is so funny about Microsoft's constant bleatings about selling the most and such -- the Wii was a fad and the PS3 blew its brains out. It would be akin to watching a one man race. They didn't win anything.