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Jeez, I haven't seen this much hype since before E3 two years ago. :|SoraX64You call this hype? I call it chaos amongst Wii owners.. In this corner, we have the "I've been wanting this game since announcement" group, over there is the "I now realize that the game is good" group, talking in the center is the "I still think this is crap" group, and lastly in the dark corner are the "I refuse to call MW a better game than the Conduit" and "Wii deserves better" group.
Ok, for those who still insist on saying Treyarch did a lazy job porting the game, here's a few posts from the dev that's been talking on forums.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18173399&postcount=1359
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18200367&postcount=1463
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18313212&postcount=1664
Most importantly: "As for Treyarch's part, we put together the best quality port we could, and we're all proud of the results."
I've added a couple of new ampaign videos and they're both excellent. I'm starting to wonder if I'm more excited for the campaign now than the multiplayer.Darth-Samus
Thanks for the videos. I must say, I am hyped for Call of Duty: Modern Warfare: Reflex Edition. :)
Ok, for those who still insist on saying Treyarch did a lazy job porting the game, here's a few posts from the dev that's been talking on forums.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18173399&postcount=1359
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18200367&postcount=1463
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18313212&postcount=1664
Most importantly: "As for Treyarch's part, we put together the best quality port we could, and we're all proud of the results."
Erebyssial
Thanks for links! The first post was very informative and enlightening. :)
...and the dev pretty answered why there are no promotions for this game...
I'm sure that any decision to be made regarding MW Wii began with the question: "Is this potentially going to hurt MW2's sales?"
fyzxwhyz
[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]
[QUOTE="Pices"] Please tell me that you're joking. The Wii can do better graphics than what the Xbox and GC have donepainguy1
Please tell me that you know the Wii's GPU is 10Mhz slower than the Xbox's, its CPU is 4Mhz slower, and the Wii only has 24MB more of system RAM than the original Xbox
Everyone acts like Trey had a billion years to make this
Guess what guys, Trey has probably spent a year at max porting this, seems to have everything from the original in except the good graphics, and also they are probably working on COD 7 on Wii, PS2, PS3, 360, PC for 2010 already. And since the Wii COD versions are different from PS2 versions that means Trey is making a port of COD4 to the Wii, building a COD7 for PS2, building a COD7 for 360/PS3, building a COD7 for Wii and building a COD7 for PC all at the same time.
I'd say making a port that is everybit as good as the original, minus what we all knew would be compromised (graphicsm resolution, some physics areas) isn't bad at all and this will sell 1 million + in the next year and get a A/AA score while being the best online Wii game out until, well until Trey releases a COD next year
Just because the GPU is 10 mhz slower doesnt mean its worse, and its actually 10mhz faster. remember we are talking about console architecture here not PC. The wiis Ram uses a system similar to DDR3 giving its 88mb preformance similar 278mb. Mario galaxy could never be stored on 88mb of DDR. The GC's CPU was 300mhz slower than the xbox's 730mhz, but it had a powerPC architecture making it preform like an 800mhz intel 3 compared to a 730mhz intel the xbox used & it has shorter pipelines than the xbox's CPU which allows data to be proccesed faster.. The wii's CPu uses the same powerPC architecture at around 730mhz and because it has a powerPC design & is a much newer build as well as faster FBS & shorter pipeline it is similar to 1.1ghz. On top of that it has more than 2x as much cache. The wii's GPU is also mroe powerful than the xbox's mainly because it has a faster clock speed, more VRam & uses a GDDR3 system similar to DDR2. the GPU also has a coproccesor called starlet that adds another 200mhz for both GPU functions & CPU functions. Take all this into consideration and the Wii is 30% or more powerful than the xbox 1. You cannot just use sheer numbers to determine preformance. You need to take the architecture into consideration aswell. Treyarch & Activision have no excuse for making the game look the way it does. The wii is perfectly capable of advanced shader effects seen on other consoles. The functions would take about 10 miniutes extra to program for aslong as the engine has a proper design. Stop misleading people. I suggest you do some reading. If the GC was just as powerful as the xbox than the wii is surely more powerful. John Carmack siad that if teh GC had more Ram Doom 3 could have been put on the GC and would be comparable to the xbox version.
hey darth-psycho, remember when i said i doubt anyone else gets what you say when you start comparing hardware specs? i'm sorry :lol:@shoryuken - about intro... your post made sense. his didnt. *cough*ps2isahdconsole*cough*
i was being sarcastic on that fact. Okami for wii lost graphical filters for no reason.Devs said due to lack of time... Is a playstation 2 system for crying out loud. I understand if a Playstation 3 game has to suffer to get into the wii.I cant accept a playstation 2 game to look worse on a wii.The Okami version gained absolutely nothing! (only lost credits). On MW they had to at least figure and program the netcode and fit online in a whole different network(the nintendo one), repack the memory to fit by using extensive programing, add leaning from PC version, presicion mode and so forth.RE4 was a cube game,but thanks god it got a few features.But okami..gosh.. ... i feel like the only person who thinks okami looks way better on the wii :? There are comparison videos on youtube, the Wii version looks much better, the game has a lot more colour on the wii.[QUOTE="fabz_95"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] ... i feel like the only person who thinks okami looks way better on the wii :?BrunoBRSThere are comparison videos on youtube, the Wii version looks much better, the game has a lot more colour on the wii. and still, so many people say it looks worse on the wii >.> exactly br. this shouldnt be a debateable matter(even igns review points into this issue), this should be downright obvious. A wii game should always look obviously better looking than a ps2 one, without people arguing either side.Unfortunately, Okami isnt clearly better looking on the wii for a lot of owners. On topic, @shoryuken. Treyarch was proud AND WANTED to show footage, but Activision is in charge of that, and Treyarch has no say on placing trailers(very screwed up if you ask me). Only(in this game) Infinity Ward AND activision.Since Infinity ward is in charge of allowing footage of a treyarch game, they can procastinate all they want, as IW has very little interest on the success of MWR.It has nothing to do with quality of the product, as even Treyarch devs were "relieved" when the leaks(as unfortunate as they are) were finally posted, and (in the case of high quality ones)where very well received.Do you think treyarch will claim this is the best looking wii fps(as they have already claimed), while they dont think so?Isnt it extreme to lie unless you believe it?To be honest, their claim to me has ground , at least multiplayer wise.If you have crappy graphics(like say, Quantum of solace), you dont go all the other way and say "we made the best looking wii shooter". But they did. Honestly, the bloc footage is downright impressive, and is surprising to see it running on the wii.
exactly br. this shouldnt be a debateable matter(even igns review points into this issue), this should be downright obvious. A wii game should always look obviously better looking than a ps2 one, without people arguing either side.Unfortunately, Okami isnt clearly better looking on the wii for a lot of owners.intro94now you got me confused... do you prefer it on the wii or the PS2? :?
BTW, i guess the reason is because the styIe changed a lot from this:
*points at paper-like textures*
to this:
*points at big contrast, slight blur and "watery" colors*
Ok, for those who still insist on saying Treyarch did a lazy job porting the game, here's a few posts from the dev that's been talking on forums.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18173399&postcount=1359
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18200367&postcount=1463
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18313212&postcount=1664
Most importantly: "As for Treyarch's part, we put together the best quality port we could, and we're all proud of the results."
Erebyssial
Wow! This was fantatic! Thank you or posting this!
[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]What are the odds of finding him? its just 1 guy, and Treyarch will do something about it there are tons of forums dedicated to exchange hack codes. wont be long until it spreads around the whole server.The multiplayer portion is now completely unplayable because some wiseguy decided to cheat
Pices
@rgame1: Because anyone in their right mind can easily tell that Metroid Prime 3 Corruption is much better looking than Call Of Duty Modern Warfare Reflex.
[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]What are the odds of finding him? its just 1 guy, and Treyarch will do something about itThe multiplayer portion is now completely unplayable because some wiseguy decided to cheat
Pices
Sure, that's all it'll ever be, just one guy
No one else will get the info on how to cheat and this guy wont tell anyone, it'll just be him
The game isn`t even out yet -- and look -- Someone has hacked the game :lol:Haziqonfire
you guys are so innocent. By your logic every online wii game then is completely unplayable mpwise,since there are hacks for every single wii with online mode ;except perhaps castlevania judgment due to hackers laziness...is tender really ...You...guys still believe there might be one online game on the wii without hacks after its files are up? if its due to how quickly it happened, the game was leaked before release,thats all it takes to start it up. I mean, seriously, the fact that someone managed to steal and pull a copy somehow is already telling they dont play by the rules. hell, anyone whos playing it-because of the leaked illegal copy- has already the hacking tools on the same file that allows to run the pirated copy-it comes in the same package of files.On the other hand, the pirate who leaked MW2 is already in jail. On reality tho, WAW had -hackers-from the beggining, but even today is more or less as often as in mario kart, which means, it happens yes, but is not that prevalent nor renders online multiplayer unplayable in any way or form.Hacker?leave game. Most likely you wont find another in a day.It isnt that complicated. Seriously, then nintendo wouldnt bother in giving online to any of its games. See how many copies of the 18 million Mario kart wiis would have sold then.hackers are bound to happen every time for every game on the wii. But while annoying,they dont ruin the multiplayer mode in a significant meaning.The multiplayer portion is now completely unplayable because some wiseguy decided to cheat
Jaysonguy
Let's get a pool going to see how long it will take GameSpot to reveiw it
I'm putting my money on 2 weeks :P
Just kidding
[QUOTE="Pices"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]What are the odds of finding him? its just 1 guy, and Treyarch will do something about it there are tons of forums dedicated to exchange hack codes. wont be long until it spreads around the whole server.The multiplayer portion is now completely unplayable because some wiseguy decided to cheat
BrunoBRS
God dammit. And I'm getting the game in 7 hours.
there are tons of forums dedicated to exchange hack codes. wont be long until it spreads around the whole server.[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="Pices"] What are the odds of finding him? its just 1 guy, and Treyarch will do something about itDarth-Samus
God dammit. And I'm getting the game in 7 hours.
as long as there are even more places dedicated to set up matches, it wont be that much of a deal. sure, it's more annoying to keep adding friend codes rather than just playing random people, but you wont have to do that unless you're in a bad day and only find hackers on the random matches.I'm getting the game in 7 hours.Darth-Samus
Gosh, you're lucky. I have to wait until Christmas for my copy.:P
Please PM me with your impressions, though; I'm hoping to get some idea of what I'll be playing this holiday.:P
The game isn`t even out yet -- and look -- Someone has hacked the game :lol:Haziqonfire
lol, it will be filled with hackers by the end of the week. It will be worse than The Conduit hackers.
I have not seen one ounce of lag in any video. Well the developers sure wouldn't show a laggy video and there are a very few people on the Reflex vids, if anyone, and they could very well be in the same room.[QUOTE="wiifan001"]The lag is going to be pretty bad.OreoMilkshake
[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"]I have not seen one ounce of lag in any video. Well the developers sure wouldn't show a laggy video and there are a very few people on the Reflex vids, if anyone, and they could very well be in the same room.I haven't seen any developer videos. Just pirated copies or people who got the game early.[QUOTE="wiifan001"]The lag is going to be pretty bad.wiifan001
Why are people worried about hackers? This isn't The Conduit, I very rarely came across hackers in WaW and that's from around 100 hours playing time. Besides, Treyarch can actually do something about it.
Let's get a pool going to see how long it will take GameSpot to reveiw it
I'm putting my money on 2 weeks :P
Just kidding
jessmaster13
More like 2 months, seriously
The Wii version of WaW was reviewed a month after the HD versions and it's the same game released on the same day. Can't wait to see how they treat a port. I'm predicting an 8.5, anyhow.
Already a hacker.
The lag is going to be pretty bad.
The game will be sub-par to other FPS titles on not only the wii but on the other platforms
A sticky thread in the wii forums.This is just like The Conduit all over again wiifan001
Hacker? Nothing new
Lag? What lag?
CoD4 sub-par on the Wii? Explain that one lol, I don't see any Wii FPS that beats this one.
The Conduit wasn't already an AAA title.
[QUOTE="wiifan001"]Already a hacker. The lag is going to be pretty bad. The game will be sub-par to other FPS titles on not only the wii but on the other platforms A sticky thread in the wii forums. This is just like The Conduit all over again HarlockJCSticky threads have nothing to do with overall hype of a game. A sticky thread is only made to lower the number of topics under a given forum. There were just as many threads saying good things as there were saying bad.
If that's the case, it's still like The Conduit lol.
My FC is in my sig
I've had no lag whatsoever online in my first 6-10 matches, i'm enjoying it greatly. everyone who plays it online plz add me. we can always stay away from hackers by making private matches, but even then i haven't noticed anything yet
(Has anyone seen Brawl get hacked? I never have. Wondering.)
Hey everybody!. I've posted my initial impressions of the game in the topic so check it out if you're interested. In short the game rocks.
And btw not and an ounce of lag online. Smooth experience :)
Let's get a pool going to see how long it will take GameSpot to reveiw itI'm putting my money on 2 weeks :P
Just kiddingjessmaster13
You're probably right, though. I haven't bothered with gamespot reviews in a long time.
[QUOTE="jessmaster13"]Let's get a pool going to see how long it will take GameSpot to reveiw it
I'm putting my money on 2 weeks :P
Just kiddingHexagon_777
You're probably right, though. I haven't bothered with gamespot reviews in a long time.
I really have this feeling that there isa review/preview embargo being enforced by Acticision and once that lets up we'll see reviews pop up all over the place. In the mean time, like I added in the topic post, the game is pretty much badass. Great online, same campaign, great graphics and better control. Anyone who's excited or curious about it won't be disappointed ;)
Read my impressions in the first post if you're curious. The online rocks!
[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="jessmaster13"]Let's get a pool going to see how long it will take GameSpot to reveiw itYou're probably right, though. I haven't bothered with gamespot reviews in a long time.I really have this feeling that there isa review/preview embargo being enforced by Acticision and once that lets up we'll see reviews pop up all over the place. In the mean time, like I added in the topic post, the game is pretty much badass. Great online, same campaign, great graphics and better control. Anyone who's excited or curious about it won't be disappointed ;)I'm putting my money on 2 weeks :P
Just kiddingDarth-Samus
Read my impressions in the first post if you're curious. The online rocks!
That's great and all but I'll wait till GamesTracker.com tells me that the game has dropped to £19.99 or less. :P
CoD4 sub-par on the Wii? Explain that one lol, I don't see any Wii FPS that beats this one.The Conduit wasn't already an AAA title.
Erebyssial
[QUOTE="wiifan001"]Already a hacker. The lag is going to be pretty bad. The game will be sub-par to other FPS titles on not only the wii but on the other platforms A sticky thread in the wii forums. This is just like The Conduit all over again Kenny789And yet we have NO IDEA what the game REALLY IS. How about we keep the negative speculations to ourselves and stick with the facts? I saw no lag in the online vids. WaW had no lag and scored 8.5 and this game is gonna have better online. Having said that, I don't think it'll score better than WaW since this is an old game but even if it scores lower, I bet this will be a better game if you get my point. I could be wrong though, this "could" be a bad game but I personally doubt it since this is an updated WaW ;)
I can tell you what the game really is.
It's a cheap, inferior version and due to the wii's hardware limitations it will cause:
worse AI
worse sound effects
worse visuals
the clincher:
It's been out for 2 years already!
the first three things is usually prevented when the developers just put it on the wii as a PS2 port. B
But the most idiotic thing is happening when this actually being built from the ground up and released on the absolute worst time- the same day as Modern Warfare 2's release date.
And yet we have NO IDEA what the game REALLY IS. How about we keep the negative speculations to ourselves and stick with the facts? I saw no lag in the online vids. WaW had no lag and scored 8.5 and this game is gonna have better online. Having said that, I don't think it'll score better than WaW since this is an old game but even if it scores lower, I bet this will be a better game if you get my point. I could be wrong though, this "could" be a bad game but I personally doubt it since this is an updated WaW ;)[QUOTE="Erebyssial"]
[QUOTE="Kenny789"][QUOTE="wiifan001"]Already a hacker. The lag is going to be pretty bad. The game will be sub-par to other FPS titles on not only the wii but on the other platforms A sticky thread in the wii forums. This is just like The Conduit all over again wiifan001
I can tell you what the game really is.
It's a cheap, inferior version and due to the wii's hardware limitations it will cause:
worse AI
worse sound effects
worse visuals
the clincher:
It's been out for 2 years already!
the first three things is usually prevented when the developers just put it on the wii as a PS2 port. B
But the most idiotic thing is happening when this actually being built from the ground up and released on the absolute worst time- the same day as Modern Warfare 2's release date.
wiimote isnt good for fast turning like on the pc
[QUOTE="wiifan001"][QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"]I have not seen one ounce of lag in any video.Well the developers sure wouldn't show a laggy video and there are a very few people on the Reflex vids, if anyone, and they could very well be in the same room.I haven't seen any developer videos. Just pirated copies or people who got the game early. maybe that's why? because only the 20 people that got it pirated managed to play it online? but that doesnt mean it IS lagged with hundreds of players at once. which makes me wonder why are the servers open before the game's out >.>OreoMilkshake
And yet we have NO IDEA what the game REALLY IS. How about we keep the negative speculations to ourselves and stick with the facts? I saw no lag in the online vids. WaW had no lag and scored 8.5 and this game is gonna have better online. Having said that, I don't think it'll score better than WaW since this is an old game but even if it scores lower, I bet this will be a better game if you get my point. I could be wrong though, this "could" be a bad game but I personally doubt it since this is an updated WaW ;)[QUOTE="Erebyssial"]
[QUOTE="Kenny789"][QUOTE="wiifan001"]Already a hacker. The lag is going to be pretty bad. The game will be sub-par to other FPS titles on not only the wii but on the other platforms A sticky thread in the wii forums. This is just like The Conduit all over again wiifan001
I can tell you what the game really is.
It's a cheap, inferior version and due to the wii's hardware limitations it will cause:
worse AI
worse sound effects
worse visuals
the clincher:
It's been out for 2 years already!
the first three things is usually prevented when the developers just put it on the wii as a PS2 port. B
But the most idiotic thing is happening when this actually being built from the ground up and released on the absolute worst time- the same day as Modern Warfare 2's release date.
* Thats what you think
* AI is still fine
* Sound is still fine
* Visuals don't make the game
* Yes, its an old game BUT A GREAT ONE
[QUOTE="wiifan001"]
[QUOTE="Erebyssial"] And yet we have NO IDEA what the game REALLY IS. How about we keep the negative speculations to ourselves and stick with the facts? I saw no lag in the online vids. WaW had no lag and scored 8.5 and this game is gonna have better online. Having said that, I don't think it'll score better than WaW since this is an old game but even if it scores lower, I bet this will be a better game if you get my point. I could be wrong though, this "could" be a bad game but I personally doubt it since this is an updated WaW ;)carter15kd5
I can tell you what the game really is.
It's a cheap, inferior version and due to the wii's hardware limitations it will cause:
worse AI
worse sound effects
worse visuals
the clincher:
It's been out for 2 years already!
the first three things is usually prevented when the developers just put it on the wii as a PS2 port. B
But the most idiotic thing is happening when this actually being built from the ground up and released on the absolute worst time- the same day as Modern Warfare 2's release date.
wiimote isnt good for fast turning like on the pc
Judging from the videos, the online seems fine. True. Wow, DLC? The number of maps is enough
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