Why didn't YOU buy Sin and Punishment?

Sin and Punishment 2 seems to have a serious lack of presence in this forum, and I have to wonder.... why?

It adresses many of the complaints people in this forum have had over the years about the Wii.

1. It's a core game, designed specifically for veteran gamers. I would even go so far as to say that this game is made to satisfy a hardcore gaming mood. It's challenging, it's fast-paced, it's fun, and it requires serious skill that can only be accumulated over at least a dozen playthroughs. The online leaderboards help you judge your skill and easily motivate you to keep it up.

2. It makes excellent use of the Wii remote. There's no useless motion controls... no accelerometer use at all, actually. It just uses the pointer for shooting, the analog stick for moving, and the buttons for dodging, shooting, and melee.

3. It's not a rail shooter, at least not in the sense that everyone complains about. You have a physical character on the screen in addition to the aiming reticle, so you literally have to pay attention to the entire screen at once. Watch a video, you'll understand. You're not just looking for the one moving thing on the screen like in an arcade-styIe rail shooter because EVERYTHING is moving and most of it can either hurt you or be killed or both.

It seems to me like this forum should've been lit up with questions and comments about this game, since it requires so much skill and there's so much strategy involved and it's so freakin fun. But there have only been a couple of threads. What's up with that?

So why haven't you played it yet? And if you have, what do you think?

Anyone who's been pining for a new Star Fox game in the vein of Star Fox 64 should be in love with this game. It does almost everything SF64 did but better, with the exception of a map screen with branching paths.

Simply because I don't have the money for a new game right now. :( I want it though... I've got the first one on VC.MAILER_DAEMON

And online leaderboards. Even though they could've been handled much better, they're good enough to add that little bit of incentive that the first one totally lacks.

i never played a s&p game..

looks like a couple of anime characters on skateboards shooting stuff. seemsa bit meh to me.

I did buy it, got it on launch day :P

I just haven't played it much because of Monser Hunter Tri lol. But what I did play so far I really enjoyed. It's a fast paced, action packed shooter. It's a lot of fun.

3. It's not a rail shooter, at least not in the sense that everyone complains about. You have a physical character on the screen in addition to the aiming reticle, so you literally have to pay attention to the entire screen at once.

Thats still a rail shooter to me...ive seen tons of footage, meh.

3. It's not a rail shooter, at least not in the sense that everyone complains about. You have a physical character on the screen in addition to the aiming reticle, so you literally have to pay attention to the entire screen at once.

Thats still a rail shooter to me...ive seen tons of footage, meh.

chex81

story seems very lacking and only got the mindless arcade shooting feeling which I personally dont care about.

sure I liked the first one but the price/time I want to play was alot better

i never played a s&p game..

looks like a couple of anime characters on skateboards shooting stuff. seemsa bit meh to me.

KBFloYd

Remember how the key to high scores in Star Fox 64 was shooting your charge shot in just the right spot in order to kill as many enemies as possible? And how you had to make deliberate choices about where to go and what to kill or not kill based on what resulted in the highest score? It's the same idea here, except times 100 at once. You have a running multiplier that builds as you destroy enemies, and it only goes down if you get hit. So the key to a high score is basically perfection, which is awesome because that's actually possible in this game and not just for the Japanese players who dedicate their lives to that goal.

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3. It's not a rail shooter, at least not in the sense that everyone complains about. You have a physical character on the screen in addition to the aiming reticle, so you literally have to pay attention to the entire screen at once.

Thats still a rail shooter to me...ive seen tons of footage, meh.

JordanElek

I loved Star Fox and Star Fox 64 growing up, when they were in their prime. I tried SF64 a few years back, didn't hold up over time (imo). S&P doesn't look bad by any means, if anything it looks like one of the more valuable Wii titles. However, these types of games keep me interest for too short of time. Rez is a prime example of that. and ya, its not 100% rails oldschool (like classic arcade title)...but its still dependent on the motion and pacing without control. For me thats a turn off.

story seems very lacking and only got the mindless arcade shooting feeling which I personally dont care about.

sure I liked the first one but the price/time I want to play was alot better

Barbie_Boy

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story seems very lacking and only got the mindless arcade shooting feeling which I personally dont care about.

sure I liked the first one but the price/time I want to play was alot better

JordanElek

I do not have the funds available at the moment to allocate to a video game purchase but this one is on the top three list (along side Super Mario Galaxy 2 and Metroid: Other M when it is released).

I picked it up on launch day. The game is glorious. Best shmup I've played this generation. The controls are so good, you don't really even know they're there. It controls as good if not better than the Mario Galaxy games. I'm still working on 8th stage but it's so much fun just to blast through it.

You need to be a certain type of gamer to appreciate this game. You almost need to be the kind of player than puts an emphasis on playing games that pack the most amount of fun possible in the shortest amount of time. It's a pick up and play game. It adheres to my golden rule of games which is, get to the point in 30 seconds or less. I've been waiting for this game for a LONG time and it has not disappointed me at all.

Now if only SEGA would make a sequel to Panzer Dragoon Orta using this control setup I'd be beside myself.

I just haven't had the cash. But now I do:P So I plan on getting it very soon.

I picked it up on launch day. The game is glorious. Best shmup I've played this generation. The controls are so good, you don't really even know they're there. It controls as good if not better than the Mario Galaxy games. I'm still working on 8th stage but it's so much fun just to blast through it.

You need to be a certain type of gamer to appreciate this game. You almost need to be the kind of player than puts an emphasis on playing games that pack the most amount of fun possible in the shortest amount of time. It's a pick up and play game. It adheres to my golden rule of games which is, get to the point in 30 seconds or less. I've been waiting for this game for a LONG time and it has not disappointed me at all.

Now if only SEGA would make a sequel to Panzer Dragoon Orta using this control setup I'd be beside myself.

whoozwah

I plan on getting it, but I just can't right now. Maybe sometime further down the road.

Because I don't buy games that don't interest me.

I want it, but Walmart didn't have it and after buying Persona 3 Portable I'm reluctant to spend $50 so soon.

It doesn't look like it is worth $50

Two simple reasons:

Little interest and even less money (as in none).

S&P2 would have never been a day-one buy for me, but one of those games that I would have picked up down the line to beef up my Wii collection (and probably when its price had dropped a bit). The fact is that there are plenty of other Wii titles that I still don't have that interest me much more than Star Successor. However, more importantly than anything is that I just don't have funds for much of anything these days, much less gaming-related stuff. If it wasn't for saving up $50 a while ago, I'd still be trying to get SMG2.

So yeah... given the circumstances, this game didn't have much of a chance to be purchased by me, unless I won the lottery or something. I don't play the lottery. :P

The Funds and Other games that I don't have.

1. No money right now
2. I have a backlog of games that I haven't even touched that much
3. I want Metroid Other M later this summer

I didn't got the game because i don't have money to get every single great games. Developers are launching one game after another very fast like if we where rich.

[QUOTE="wiifan001"]I'm not paying $50 for a 6 hour game Time to go to my local rental store...which is now out of business and through with its going out of business salesoulreaper-4

I'm not paying $50 for a 6 hour game Time to go to my local rental store...which is now out of business and through with its going out of business salewiifan001

it's an arcade style game with an emphasis on score. It's not designed to be played through to completion once. It's designed to be played over and over to get a higher score. If that's not your thing, no biggie. Just say so.

I bought Sin & Punishment: SS the day it came out! Then again, I have always been a huge fan of the Starfox and Panzer Dragoon games and S&P is the closest thing to those to come along in the last 5 years since Starfox: Assault and 7 years since Panzer Dragoon: Orta. It's a great game for fans of "rail" shooters and is a true sight to behold during more frantic moments and boss fights.

[QUOTE="wiifan001"]I'm not paying $50 for a 6 hour game Time to go to my local rental store...which is now out of business and through with its going out of business salewhoozwah

it's an arcade style game with an emphasis on score. It's not designed to be played through to completion once. It's designed to be played over and over to get a higher score. If that's not your thing, no biggie. Just say so.

It doesn't look like it is worth $50

vguy555

BACKLOG. I just sold 11 games last night on eBay, 50% of them which I haven't completed. Even with those sold, I still have 6 games for the Wii that I need to complete, and a couple on Xbox 360. With a full college and work schedule, it's impossible for me to finish all those games. I also want to get Metroid Other M next month and Halo Reach, the following month. It's just too much. I think it's a waste of money to to have games sitting on the shelf collecting dust. This will probably cause me to not buy many games on day one unless they're highly anticipated like Other M and Halo Reach.Elian2530

[QUOTE="wiifan001"]I'm not paying $50 for a 6 hour game Time to go to my local rental store...which is now out of business and through with its going out of business salesoulreaper-4

Even though wiifan001 already touched on this, there is nothing childish about seeing a game as more appropriate to you as a rental than an acutal purchase and treating it as such. Saying that the game has "replay value" is a subjective notion, since replay is based on the enjoyment of each individual player, and not some predetermined value. What one might play for hundreds of hours because of replay might not be touched again with another player who wasn't as fond of the game. It happens more often than one might think, and the safest way to deal with this is to just take the game for what the beginning-to-end experience offers WITHOUT factoring in replay.

For what it's worth, chances are that 50 hour RPG that is played once and collects dust will still be far more valuable than a six hour game that has the same cycle. If my math is correct, that makes it more than eight times more valuable. :P

I didn't got the game because i don't have money to get every single great games. Developers are launching one game after another very fast like if we where rich.

soulreaper-4

[QUOTE="soulreaper-4"][QUOTE="wiifan001"]I'm not paying $50 for a 6 hour game Time to go to my local rental store...which is now out of business and through with its going out of business saleMadmangamer364

Even though wiifan001 already touched on this, there is nothing childish about seeing a game as more appropriate to you as a rental than an acutal purchase and treating it as such. Saying that the game has "replay value" is a subjective notion, since replay is based on the enjoyment of each individual player, and not some predetermined value. What one might play for hundreds of hours because of replay might not be touched again with another player who wasn't as fond of the game. It happens more often than one might think, and the safest way to deal with this is to just take the game for what the beginning-to-end experience offers WITHOUT factoring in replay.

For what it's worth, chances are that 50 RPG that is played worth and collects dust will still be far more valuable than a six hour game that has the same cycle. If my math is correct, that makes it more than eight times more valuable. :P

I don't wanna sound rude but you sound very childish. If you want games that take hours upon hours to finish you then will need to only get RPGs. 6 hours for a game that you can just start playing and have fun while replaying it again many times is better than spending 50 hours playing a RPG that after it is finished will just collect dust.soulreaper-4

Even though wiifan001 already touched on this, there is nothing childish about seeing a game as more appropriate to you as a rental than an acutal purchase and treating it as such. Saying that the game has "replay value" is a subjective notion, since replay is based on the enjoyment of each individual player, and not some predetermined value. What one might play for hundreds of hours because of replay might not be touched again with another player who wasn't as fond of the game. It happens more often than one might think, and the safest way to deal with this is to just take the game for what the beginning-to-end experience offers WITHOUT factoring in replay.

For what it's worth, chances are that 50 RPG that is played worth and collects dust will still be far more valuable than a six hour game that has the same cycle. If my math is correct, that makes it more than eight times more valuable. :P

Becuase it's a an on-rail shooter no matter how you decribe it. There is no free roaming, the level just keeps moving along whether you're ready or not.

Also, it's short game. It doesn't take very long to beat the game. I mean if you're into getting the highest score on an online leaderboard, then that's about as much replay value you get. But alot of people don't care about that.

A rail shooter that's short is only worth a rental (maybe)...but not a $50 purchase.