2024 OT Election Day Thread: Donald Trump elected POTUS, GOP wins Senate and House of Representatives

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#3551 Pedro
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@davillain said:

It's sad that most people here still don't get it as to why President Trump won fair and square and everyone here wants to label you as a red herring is laughable. Tisk tisk.

Trump winning the election literally has nothing to do with someone pulling a red herring. How you conflate the two is admirable. 🫡

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#3552 Pedro
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@Stevo_the_gamer said:

Well, only Pedro has used that label and it's directed at the specific questions of mine which itemized President Trump's commentary.

There's a couple reasons why someone would immediately resort to knee-jerk reactionary language when asked to elaborate on their thoughts;

1) they have difficulty expressing their thoughts beyond puddle level depths likely due to a lack of personal experience or it's beyond the scope of their understanding; in addition, there's likely a hesitance to just simply admitting a lack of understanding of subject matter;

2) it necessitates them to be honest or dishonest for that matter, and requires one take a position beyond one-off commentary;

There's probably some more nuance, but when you're not used to confrontation the first instinct is common to lash out or seek out a higher authority (speak to the manager syndrome). Granted, I relish in confrontation and why I love interrogations, and especially love court. They're just so much fun.

The irony of your comment is so ripe, and even more ripe that you are the one who had a knee jerk reaction, thus your red herring attempts, which I will not engage. 😂

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#3553  Edited By uninspiredcup
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Trump is directly, unequivocally helping Putin now.

Trump just banned Ukraine from striking deep into Russia, but Russia can continue its nightly missile/drone barrages onto residential neighborhoods all over Ukraine.

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#3554 RedEyedMonster8
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@uninspiredcup: Everything about Ukraine is so depressing, I want to keep staying informed but it’s been tough.

@Pedro:Yep, exactly why I’m trying not to engage him.

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@Pedro said:

On the contrary. You initiated the discussion with a red herring with the intention of me participating in "circular reasoning" with disingenuous start and as I have repeated, I wasn't interested. You can feign ignorance until the end of the US. 😂

What's contrary to my reply?

You are specifically labeling something as a fallacy with no explanation on why, and then rinse and repeat the same concluding material. It's a fallacy because... it's a fallacy. That is silly and getting to be rather disruptive, so I don't recommend going down that path.

Again, I am trying to get you to elaborate or answer specific questions related to your drive-by Tweet commentary. If you can't answer the questions, then be frank about it, it's okay Pedro. :)

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#3556 DaVillain  Moderator
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@Pedro: ...Oh...you😊

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#3557 Pedro
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@RedEyedMonster8 said:

@uninspiredcup: Everything about Ukraine is so depressing, I want to keep staying informed but it’s been tough.

@Pedro:Yep, exactly why I’m trying not to engage him.

It is somewhat entertaining. You can't have a meaningful discussion with folks like that. Once you are aware of that fact, you accept the meaninglessness of the engagement.😂

@Stevo_the_gamer said:

What's contrary to my reply?

You are specifically labeling something as a fallacy with no explanation on why, and then rinse and repeat the same concluding material. It's a fallacy because... it's a fallacy. That is silly and getting to be rather disruptive, so I don't recommend going down that path.

Again, I am trying to get you to elaborate or answer specific questions related to your drive-by Tweet commentary. If you can't answer the questions, then be frank about it, it's okay Pedro. :)

You are throwing everything at the wall now. My comment on the tweet was exceptionally clear to you. So, clear you defaulted to red herring logic as your knee jerk reaction. Now, you are doing, whatever this is. How about gently placing the red herring approach back in the water and trying again. You will get a better a more meaningful and honest engagement. 🫡

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#3558 Pedro
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@uninspiredcup: That is why it will be foolish for Zelensky to make any deal with my embarrassment of a president.

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#3559  Edited By DEVILinIRON
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^On the left. lol ^

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#3560 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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@Pedro said:

The irony of your comment is so ripe, and even more ripe that you are the one who had a knee jerk reaction, thus your red herring attempts, which I will not engage. 😂

Asking questions to engage your thoughts on the particulars of Trump's commentary is knee-jerk? How so? How does one go about presenting inquiries while simultaneously do it without thought and with impulse? I'm not sure you understand what the term means, nor irony for that matter, albeit using irony in the wrong manner does appear ironic in of itself. Hm.

The reason I used the knee-jerk is because you were immediately defensive; resorting to conjecture and circular reasoning. Again, all because you were asked to give your thoughts related to the content you shared. Being unable to explainthe fallacy means you do not understand the term nor its proper use. Again, you should easily be able to explain your thoughts yet you continue to dance around.

@Pedro said:

It is somewhat entertaining. You can't have a meaningful discussion with folks like that. Once you are aware of that fact, you accept the meaninglessness of the engagement.😂

@Stevo_the_gamer said:

What's contrary to my reply?

You are specifically labeling something as a fallacy with no explanation on why, and then rinse and repeat the same concluding material. It's a fallacy because... it's a fallacy. That is silly and getting to be rather disruptive, so I don't recommend going down that path.

Again, I am trying to get you to elaborate or answer specific questions related to your drive-by Tweet commentary. If you can't answer the questions, then be frank about it, it's okay Pedro. :)

You are throwing everything at the wall now. My comment on the tweet was exceptionally clear to you. So, clear you defaulted to red herring logic as your knee jerk reaction. Now, you are doing, whatever this is. How about gently placing the red herring approach back in the water and trying again. You will get a better a more meaningful and honest engagement. 🫡

As I said above, you clearly don't understand the term.

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Well, this is entertaining. A wild Pedro appears!

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#3562 Pedro
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@Stevo_the_gamer said:

Asking questions to engage your thoughts on the particulars of Trump's commentary is knee-jerk? How so? How does one go about presenting inquiries while simultaneously do it without thought and with impulse? I'm not sure you understand what the term means, nor irony for that matter, albeit using irony in the wrong manner does appear ironic in of itself. Hm.

The reason I used the knee-jerk is because you were immediately defensive; resorting to conjecture and circular reasoning. Again, all because you were asked to give your thoughts related to the content you shared. Being unable to explainthe fallacy means you do not understand the term nor its proper use. Again, you should easily be able to explain your thoughts yet you continue to dance around.

As I said above, you clearly don't understand the term.

This so cute. "I was just asking a question" 😂 Good lord. You have to try better strategies than that. This is low-level stuff. Where is the finesse with your disingenuous engagement? Where is the feign objective bystander approach? 🤭

You had a knee jerk reaction to my comment. Now you are projecting on me because I wasn't interesting in engaging your knee reaction (red herring).

Whenever you are ready to step away from your visceral reaction to my comment and stop doing this silly dance, I am here to engage in an honest and meaningful conversation.

We both know you are not interested in an honest and meaningful conversation.🫡

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#3563 RedEyedMonster8
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You know Steve, you probably wouldn’t get into these types of arguments if you weren’t constantly belittling/ talking down to everyone on here. Just sayin’.

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#3564 Pedro
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@RedEyedMonster8 said:

You know Steve, you probably wouldn’t get into these types of arguments if you weren’t constantly belittling/ talking down to everyone on here. Just sayin’.

That is absurd. Cops are the most levelheaded, respectful, de-escalation friendly and secure people you will ever meet. 😏

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@Pedro: That bad feeling is getting worse.

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/europe/macron-europe-must-ready-defend-ukraine-without-us-assistance-rcna194867

President Emmanuel Macron said in a prime-time address to France on Wednesday night that Europe must be prepared to go it alone in defending Ukraine, without further assistance from the United States under the Trump administration.

"I want to believe that the U.S. will stand by our side, but we have to be ready for that not to be the case," Macron said from the Élysée Palace in Paris.

He continued, "Whether we reach peace in Ukraine soon or not, we need to be able to recognize the Russian threat and better defend ourselves in order to deter such attacks. Whatever happens, we need to provide ourselves with more arms, more equipment in terms of defense, to provide a dissuasive force."

Macron warned that Ukraine cannot be abandoned in its fight against Russia because, he said: "Who can believe that in this context, Russia will stop at Ukraine? Russia has become, and will remain, a threat to France and Europe.”

The French president made clear that France and other European countries must take concrete steps, including investing in defense and military capabilities, to protect the security of their nations and Ukraine's.

“To remain a spectator in this dangerous world would be crazy," Macron said. "The initiatives for peace are going in the right direction, and I welcome them, and we need to continue to help Ukrainians resist until they can negotiate with Russia a solid and lasting peace for themselves and for all of us. The path to peace cannot be achieved by abandoning Ukraine."

Macron reiterated remarks made by British Prime Minister Keir Starmer over the weekend at a defense summit in London that Europe may have to put boots on the ground in Ukraine.

"Our forces will be there if necessary to guarantee peace, not before a peace agreement is signed," Macron said Wednesday. "We will continue to meet with allies to move toward the signing of such an agreement. It's a plan for a lasting, solid, verifiable peace agreement, which we're working on with European partners and Ukraine."

Macron and Starmer have teamed up in a desperate attempt to heal American-Ukraine ties after last Friday’s extraordinary shouting match at the White House between President Donald Trump, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and Vice President JD Vance. Both Starmer and Macron have sought to balance their yearslong outspoken support for Zelenskyy with the need to retain good relations with the United States.

Teeing up his speech, Macron said on X that it came in a “moment of great uncertainty, when the world is facing its greatest challenges.” Starmer told British lawmakers Wednesday that he had spoken with Trump three times since he visited the White House last week.

This Anglo-French mission has at times appeared onerous.

After the Oval Office spat, Trump continued to berate Zelenskyy on social media, with the president and some of his team suggesting that Ukraine’s leader could or should be ousted from office. The administration then paused aid to Ukraine, a vital lifeline holding back the Kremlin war machine.

The aid freeze is a serious blow not just to Ukraine, whose biggest military backer is the U.S., but also Europe, which is years away from being able to defend itself against Russia without Washington.

Things shifted Tuesday when Trump said during his joint address to Congress that he had received “an important letter” from Zelenskyy stating the Ukrainian president's desire for peace and his gratitude for U.S. support.

Zelenskyy confirmed the thrust of this missive in an X post on Tuesday, calling the White House clash “regrettable,” thanking Trump’s team and saying he was ready to sign a deal giving Washington access to Ukraine’s rich mineral wealth.

Still, there is much to resolve.

Ukraine is reluctant to sign a ceasefire without “security guarantees” — meaning protection from Europe and the U.S. against Russia violating the truce, as it has done before.

Supporters and independent analysts worry that a ceasefire would allow Russia to regroup — as well as showing Russian President Vladimir Putin that attacking a European country is not only permitted, but rewarded.

Zelenskyy once stood firm in demanding these security guarantees. But now facing pressure from Moscow and Washington, he suggested on X that he would accept a minerals deal that was merely a looser “step toward” such promises.

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Macron to discuss nuclear deterrence with European allies. A look at France’s unique strategy

PARIS (AP) — French President Emmanuel Macron says that he’s ready to start discussions on nuclear deterrence with European allies.

Macron has hinted that France could help to protect other nations after U.S. President Donald Trump raised questions both about the trans-Atlantic alliance and the defense of Ukraine.

While Macron’s offering has been on the table for several years, it has gained urgency after Trump’s remarks raised concerns among European NATO allies, which have for decades counted on the powerful U.S. deterrent.

Here’s a look at France’s nuclear policy.

What’s nuclear deterrence?

Nuclear deterrence is a strategy based on the idea that the destructive force of nuclear weapons would prevent other nations’ hostile actions, particularly nuclear attacks.

During the Cold War, the U.S. nuclear umbrella was aimed at ensuring that allies, especially NATO members, would be protected by American nuclear forces in case of a threat. That’s one of the reasons why many nations across the world haven’t pursued their own nuclear arsenals.

France is the only nuclear power in the European Union. The United Kingdom, which is no longer an EU member but is working on restoring closer ties with the 27-nation bloc and belongs to NATO, also has nuclear weapons.

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@Stevo_the_gamer said:
@MirkoS77 said:
@Stevo_the_gamer said:
@MirkoS77 said:
@Stevo_the_gamer said:

Oh I don't doubt he believes it, but he also likely compartmentalizes/differentiates the two even though they're clearly comparable. What's next Mirko, you going to tell me that politicians will have double standards? That can not be, it's... Impossible!

Then I wish those capable of such distinctions would think twice about preaching law and order to others when they knowingly voted for the pardoning of the violence they bemoan and question others for failing to condemn, especially against LE. Such admonishments ring very hollow.

You can send a letter in the mail to let the President know that his admonishments ring hollow.

One can also disagree with pardoning and still offer questions towards others regarding said topics. Unless it's all or nothing for you, Mirko? That's an exhausting way to go day by day.

Sure one can, but you'd think one would also have to swallow hard on the blatant hypocrisy in doing so.

Nah, it's not black and white Stevo-rino, but I'm not one to cast aside degrees, either. I suppose I'm still astonished that so many voted to not only pardon crimes against our country, but against LE, en masse and don't seem to care one whit, with many cheering and applauding it on. I would suspect that that would compel some to seal their lips when it comes to speaking on matters of the law, justice, and the addressment of violence when they have explicitly voted in rejection of it, but perhaps I'm a tad naïve. Idealistic.

Admittedly, yes.....it can get exhausting.

I don't think Trump, or any politician for that matter, has any issues with hypocrisy. In fact, it's the nature of the business to have "positions" ebb and flow as the winds of change move, especially in districts where there's little to no competition from opposing ideas, or from positions in power where there's limited tangible blowback. In fact, as the previous administration solidified, you can just blanket pardons folks, or your allies, willy-nelly.

Naivete and idealism commonly go hand-in-hand though, so don't fret. It is curable!

I’m not speaking on the hypocrisy of Trump or politicians. I’m talking about Trump’s voters.

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#3567  Edited By uninspiredcup
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No defense anymore, blind.

https://x.com/KyivPost/status/1897386881928896874

Russian missiles are hitting a civilian target in Kryvyi Rih right now. Civilians may be trapped under the rubble. Rescuers have rushed to the scene.

Remember about half a year or what not back, when that guy almost blew his head off saying didn't care and one or two folk got upset.

He's went from attempting to extort an entire country into generations of economic debt, to getting them killed as a form of coercion, because he had a tantrum, and wants to hand it Russia.

While shit like this is ringing through France -

https://x.com/igorsushko/status/1897386604404306352

And we're on day, 44?

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#3568  Edited By Pedro
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@uninspiredcup: The path the US has taken I was honestly expecting. However, I was too shortsighted in believing it wouldn't be during my lifetime. 😂 Now, we have this. And for the folks who aren't aware of the historical pattern, well... you will see. 😏

My president didn't have a tantrum. He was aligning with our new ally. 🙃

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#3569  Edited By Nod_Eclipse_
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Well I know you guys like to bicker, and that's fine, but the moment in Trump's speech when he had that young boy with brain cancer made into a secret service agent was really sweet. That kid is awesome. A really good "let's put the politics aside" moment.

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#3570  Edited By Serraph105
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@nod_eclipse_ said:

Well I know you guys like to bicker, and that's fine, but the moment in Trump's speech when he had that young boy with brain cancer made into a secret service agent was really sweet. That kid is awesome. A really good "let's put the politics aside" moment.

Except for the massive $880 billion cut of medicaid in the republican created bill that the House passed, right? Like, republicans in the House have made it clear that, if that kid was born to poor parents, they'd have rather he died than become an honorary secret service.

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#3571  Edited By mrbojangles25
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@nod_eclipse_ said:

Well I know you guys like to bicker, and that's fine, but the moment in Trump's speech when he had that young boy with brain cancer made into a secret service agent was really sweet. That kid is awesome. A really good "let's put the politics aside" moment.

That was actually kind of terrible, seeing as how research, academia, and medical care are getting the axe right now. You know, the stuff that would actually help this kid.

But, no, ummm...you're right. Let's make these empty gestures because that's more important. It will mean so much when this kid is dying painfully along with thousands of other children each day. At least we will remember the happy lie instead of the awful truth.

Sorry I would have loved to enjoyed that moment and I'm a pretty optimistic dude but that was kind of sickening.

I see that bullshit, and I think "There are going to be a lot more dead kids because of Trump and Co."

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#3572 uninspiredcup
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Hey kid, I heard you have brain-cancer or some shit.

Come over here, I need a prop.

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@nod_eclipse_ said:

Well I know you guys like to bicker, and that's fine, but the moment in Trump's speech when he had that young boy with brain cancer made into a secret service agent was really sweet. That kid is awesome. A really good "let's put the politics aside" moment.

Now talk about how they want to reduce medicaid and research into diseases such as the young lad has.

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#3574 Nod_Eclipse_
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Oh, you guys. Well, bicker on, I guess. And have a nice day, y'all.

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#3575  Edited By Serraph105
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@nod_eclipse_ said:

Oh, you guys. Well, bicker on, I guess. And have a nice day, y'all.

It's not bickering. It's acknowledging that republicans have spent the last several decades doing harm to the social safety net that would help kids, and adults for that matter, exactly like this one that they are pretending to care about.

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@uninspiredcup said:

Trump is directly, unequivocally helping Putin now.

Trump just banned Ukraine from striking deep into Russia, but Russia can continue its nightly missile/drone barrages onto residential neighborhoods all over Ukraine.

Yeah, that's fucked.

What possible reason could the US have to stop helping an innocent nation defend itself against one of the US' enemies, especially after it committed to helping them?

I get there's 'debate' over spendings and compensation, but you don't negotiate peace by helping the aggressors. This intel saves lives and prevents Russia from committing more war crimes. It's barbaric to deny it.

If Russia does end up taking Ukraine over this, I hope the world condemns the Republicans for assisting Russia. It's clear that MAGA's ambitions do not align with the rest of the western world, and the USA can no longer be trusted.

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@uninspiredcup said:

Trump is directly, unequivocally helping Putin now.

Trump just banned Ukraine from striking deep into Russia, but Russia can continue its nightly missile/drone barrages onto residential neighborhoods all over Ukraine.

if only Z would have just worn a suit...

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@nod_eclipse_ said:

Oh, you guys. Well, bicker on, I guess. And have a nice day, y'all.

I can admire your attempt at taking the high road or maybe presenting a silver lining or something, but sadly it doesn't exist in this moment.

It's all literally bad news and worse news at this point.

You do what you have to do to maintain some semblance of happiness, though, I won't shame you for it. I just hope you don't shame others for being realistic and honest with the state of things.

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#3579 Pedro
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@mrbojangles25 said:
@nod_eclipse_ said:

Well I know you guys like to bicker, and that's fine, but the moment in Trump's speech when he had that young boy with brain cancer made into a secret service agent was really sweet. That kid is awesome. A really good "let's put the politics aside" moment.

That was actually kind of terrible, seeing as how research, academia, and medical care are getting the axe right now. You know, the stuff that would actually help this kid.

But, no, ummm...you're right. Let's make these empty gestures because that's more important. It will mean so much when this kid is dying painfully along with thousands of other children each day. At least we will remember the happy lie instead of the awful truth.

Sorry I would have loved to enjoyed that moment and I'm a pretty optimistic dude but that was kind of sickening.

I see that bullshit, and I think "There are going to be a lot more dead kids because of Trump and Co."

Simple people are easily distracted by silly performances while their house is on fire. 😂

I also love the "let's put the politics aside", while ignoring the harm the same politics has caused.

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#3580 Nod_Eclipse_
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@mrbojangles25 said:
@nod_eclipse_ said:

Oh, you guys. Well, bicker on, I guess. And have a nice day, y'all.

I can admire your attempt at taking the high road or maybe presenting a silver lining or something, but sadly it doesn't exist in this moment.

It's all literally bad news and worse news at this point.

You do what you have to do to maintain some semblance of happiness, though, I won't shame you for it. I just hope you don't shame others for being realistic and honest with the state of things.

Yeah, I mean, just looking in that kid's eyes, seeing the happiness there, it was something special. Made me forget about all the ugliness going on, the fighting, bickering, insanity, and so on, if just for a minute. A kid can't fake that sense of happiness. It's a beautiful thing in the middle of a shitstorm.

Anyway just trying to spread some light. Love everyone here, blue or red side of the fence, doesn't matter. Literally love all you guys.

But carry on haha.

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Cmon guys, Trump's policies might bring death to children, both domestically and around the world, but that empty propaganda performance was really cute.

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@theformless said:

Cmon guys, Trump's policies might bring death to children, both domestically and around the world, but that empty propaganda performance was really cute.

It almost makes me forget about all the disease outbreaks, civil unrest, fallout from catastrophes, and other terrible things that will happen to kids across the world as the US reels in its efforts abroad...

...but, oh, damn that empathy of mine! Those aren't Americans, so who gives a shit, right!? We can't spare that 0.7% of the budget to build pro-American sentiment and exert "soft power"...

...meanwhile, drone boats.

Anyway, beating a dead horse at this point, so that's enough about that from me at least.

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#3583  Edited By Planeforger
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Given the way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised to wake up to a headline that the USA is now sharing Ukraine military positions with Russia.

Although if it gets to that point (where Trump is actively assisting with war crimes), then I sincerely hope a future headline is "ICC to give Trump the Saddam Hussein treatment".

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The Trump comments about "transgender mice" once again reaffirms my position on why people need expertise in the topics they are talking about to understand when something is and isnt wasteful spending.

Trump and DOGE have let culture wars noise completely take over resembelence of critical thinking. Transgenic mice have nothing to do with gender and all to do with genetics (for animal testing purposes). For all that talk about chronic disease, Trump once again, shows a complete lack of interest or disdain in dealing with real solutions to them.

DOGE likely cutting funding for projects simply because of their own illiteracy should be deeply alarming to anyone.

As I, and pretty much the entire medical community expected. Trump was going to replace science with pseudoscience. And I very much fear people will pay the price for this.

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@Maroxad: One really stupid thing I have seen repeatedly on lists of wasteful spending is that they like to rant about animal studies. For example:

$50 million monkey business

Spending by the NIH includes $33 million to a firm that runs “Monkey Island,” a colony of around 3,000 primates sent to research labs. Additionally, NIH grants totaling $3.7 million funded a study on monkeys and gambling. Part of another $12 million went to the University of Mississippi to test monkeys on methamphetamine, and a Florida lab received $477,000 to help fund research into “transgender” monkeys — males injected with female hormones.

Here's where Elon Musk can start cutting federal spending — from transgender monkeys to DEI and checks to dead people

Of course you can have ethical concerns about animal studies. But the way they frame it, it's like they are pretending to not understand that the studies are made on animals to draw conclusion about human behaviour. They are not interested in monkeys gambling per se. The reason to use animals is of course that they can use more intrusive probes and measurment techniques.

Same for your example.

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#3586  Edited By Maroxad
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@Sushiglutton said:

@Maroxad: One really stupid thing I have seen repeatedly on lists of wasteful spending is that they like to rant about animal studies. For example:

$50 million monkey business

Spending by the NIH includes $33 million to a firm that runs “Monkey Island,” a colony of around 3,000 primates sent to research labs. Additionally, NIH grants totaling $3.7 million funded a study on monkeys and gambling. Part of another $12 million went to the University of Mississippi to test monkeys on methamphetamine, and a Florida lab received $477,000 to help fund research into “transgender” monkeys — males injected with female hormones.

Here's where Elon Musk can start cutting federal spending — from transgender monkeys to DEI and checks to dead people

Of course you can have ethical concerns about animal studies. But the way they frame it, it's like they are pretending to not understand that the studies are made on animals to draw conclusion about human behaviour. They are not interested in monkeys gambling per se. The reason to use animals is of course that they can use more intrusive probes and measurment techniques.

Same for your example.

Yup, I have ethical concerns with them. But trying to smear a very prominent area of research over their obvious lack of understanding is just... wth?!? There are good and bad ways to criticize anything. And the critique from Trump for this research falls outright into parody territory. In fact, I know one doctor who joked about this a month ago. And now Trump actually did it.

What happened to making America Healthy Again? Do they not realize how much life saving research has been done through transgenic animal research?

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https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-allies-secret-talks-volodymyr-zelenskyy-opposition-ukraine-elections-yulia-tymoshenko-petro-poroshenko/

Puppet government.

"According to a report from Politico, four senior members of U.S. President Donald J. Trump’s Administration have held “secret discussions” recently with some of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s top political opponents, as Washington attempts to see if it can hold a quick presidential election to oust Zelensky from power in Kyiv. Some of the politicians spoken to by U.S. Officials are reported to be Yulia Tymoshenko, the former Prime Minister of Ukraine, as well as senior members of the European Solidarity party, which is led by Zelensky’s predecessor, Petro Poroshenko. Aides to President Trump appear to be confident that Zelensky would lose any election due to “war fatigue and public frustration over rampant corruption” despite Zelensky still polling between 45-55% in most polls, well above both Tymoshenko and Poroshenko. All of this appears to stem from several weeks now of disinformation claims made by U.S. President Trump and other members of his administration, including Director of National Intelligence (DNI) Tulsi Gabbard, about Ukraine and President Zelensky, which culminated in last week’s heated-argument in the Oval Office between Trump, Zelensky and U.S. Vice-President JD Vance. These include President Trump calling Zelensky a “dictator without elections” as well as Gabbard and Elon Musk both falsely claiming that Zelensky had “canceled the elections” despite the Ukrainian Constitution forbidding any election to occur while the country is still under martial law as a result of the Russian invasion."

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https://kyivindependent.com/poroshenko-tymoshenko-reaffirm-opposition-to-elections-under-martial-law-after-claims-of-us-contacts/

Ex-President Petro Poroshenko's team works "publicly and transparently" with U.S. partners to ensure bipartisan support for Ukraine, Poroshenko said on March 6, reiterating his opposition to elections during the war.

His comments came in reaction to Politico's article, which claimed that U.S. President Donald Trump's team has been leading secret talks with Poroshenko and another opposition leader, Yuliia Tymoshenko, as Washington ramps up pressure against President Volodymyr Zelensky.

Tymoshenko also reacted to the story, saying that her party, Batkivshchyna, is negotiating with "our allies who can help secure a just and peaceful solution as soon as possible. " She reaffirmed that elections are possible only after the war ends.

Trump's push for a quick settlement of the Russia-Ukraine war saw him adopt Moscow-aligned positions while pressuring Kyiv by cutting off crucial military aid and intelligence sharing. In recent weeks, the White House has echoed the Kremlin's false narrative about Zelensky's illegitimacy, referring to the fact that Ukraine did not hold elections last year.

The Ukrainian Constitution does not permit elections under martial law, and critics pointed out difficulties in organizing elections during an all-out war, such as the possibility of voting for front-line soldiers and refugees.

According to Ukraine's former president, his team's talks with U.S. partners focused on security and a peace through strength approach, including the provision of weapons, intelligence, sanctions, and transatlantic unity.

At the same time, Poroshenko criticized the supposed lack of communication between Zelensky's team and the U.S. government.

"Ukraine — and President Zelensky said this clearly — is ready for talks to end the war under strong leadership of President Trump," Tymoshenko said on Facebook.

According to Politico, senior members of Poroshenko's European Solidarity party and Tymoshenko have been in contact with four members of Trump's team. The two opposition leaders reportedly tried to position themselves as more flexible partners for the U.S. than Zelensky.

Trump falsely claimed last month that Zelensky's approval rating has dropped to 4%. While Zelensky's popularity was steadily declining throughout 2024, the mounting pressure from Washington seemed to have boosted his support.

According to a survey by the British pollster Survation, carried out between Feb. 25 and 27, Zelensky leads in the polls with 44%. He is followed by former Commander-in-Chief and Ambassador to the U.K. Valerii Zaluhnyi — who has not publicly confirmed presidential ambitions — at 21%.

Poroshenko came third with 10%, while Tymoshenko scored only 6%, signalling slim chances of beating Zelensky in the election.

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#3588  Edited By TheFormless
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On the positive side, I'm pretty sure ukranians will raise hell, like they did the last time Russia tried to manipulate their government to go against the popular will.

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#3589 Pedro
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@Maroxad: Nonsense. Transgenics is about changing male mice to female mice with the intention of reaffirmation genetics for trans people.😂

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinas-envoy-eu-lu-shaye-093000676.html

Had to google detente. Failed education.

Assuming this could also be in relations to tariffs where Trump is taking aim at EU/CA/CH/SK/JP+ that def won't end badly

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China's envoy to the EU Lu Shaye 'appalled' by Trump's treatment of Europe

China's special envoy for European affairs Lu Shaye said he was "appalled" by the way President Donald Trump has treated American allies in Europe, adding that a peace deal for Ukraine should not be determined only by the US and Russia.

"When you look at how the Trump administration has implemented a brazen and domineering policy towards Europe, treating its allies in this way, honestly, from a European perspective, it's quite appalling," he said on Wednesday.

"I believe European friends should reflect on this and compare the Trump administration's policies with those of the Chinese government. In doing so, they will see that China's diplomatic approach emphasises peace, friendship, goodwill and win-win cooperation".

Lu made the remarks on the sidelines of a panel discussion with other senior diplomats during the annual session of top advisory body the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC).

He acknowledged the discussions between the US and Russia aimed at resolving the crisis, but stressed that any peace process must involve recognition and participation from all relevant parties, including European nations.

"Various proposed solutions should be subject to equal discussion, rather than being dictated by a select few," he said.

"It shouldn't just be decided by the US and Russia alone, especially since Europe has expressed significant concerns, feeling that such diplomatic maneuvers sideline their position."

Relations between Beijing and Brussels have deteriorated in the three years since Russia's invasion of Ukraine, largely because of European concerns about China's manufacturing overcapacity and its closeness to Moscow.

However, the disruptions in the transatlantic relationship since Trump's return to the White House have sparked some hope for a potential detente between Europe and China.

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#3591 uninspiredcup
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Elon Musk confirmed what they are attempting to do, mainly because he lacks the ability to shut up.

https://x.com/afneil/status/1897683496753066033

The Trump administration is now openly out to ditch Zelensky and replace him with someone more pliable. On that the White House and the Kremlin are as one. On Ukraine the US is now Russia’s ally.

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About Ukraine. Norway is increasing the support with about 4.6 billion $ this year.

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Choose your fighter! 🤣🤣🤣 Someone needs to post that video. Democrat leaders have literally gone crazy. But on a positive note, they are decent singers.

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#3594  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@horgen said:

About Ukraine. Norway is increasing the support with about 4.6 billion $ this year.

EU has an economy combined about 12 times that of Russia. They seem to be finally harnessing it, alongside frozen Russian money they should have taken from the start, which will hopefully be used wisely cause right now Ukriane needs it.

edit - 8 billion

This was the greeting with with EU -

https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1897688636180558234

Meanwhile, Marco Rubio appears to have a satanic cross embedded in his head telling us Russian talking talking points. Legit thought this was AI when saw it.

https://x.com/saintjavelin/status/1897586702375362742

Kelloggs Cornflakes has returned to tell us Ukriane is a mule that should be hit in the face (multiple people civs killed yesterday Russia doubled attacks) and that it's time to be buddies with Russia lifting sanctions.

https://x.com/JayinKyiv/status/1897683288321323303

All in all, fantastic PR work. Very bigly.

On a further note, both opposition parties rejected America's attempt at creating insurrection.

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/18976674277201226

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#3595 horgen  Moderator
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@uninspiredcup: Russian bots are in full swing in Norwegian news articles if they allow for comments.

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@joshrmeyer said:

Choose your fighter! 🤣🤣🤣 Someone needs to post that video. Democrat leaders have literally gone crazy. But on a positive note, they are decent singers.

You've literally been crazy since the Jan. 6th, is my guess. I'm guessing you are not a very good singer, either. So it's all negative over here, bra.

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@horgen said:

@uninspiredcup: Russian bots are in full swing in Norwegian news articles if they allow for comments.

It's crazy. The governments need to deal with them or start just blocking these social networks until they do.

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@joshrmeyer: The only one gone crazy is your boy Donald. Who in their right mind tariffs their allies while gobbling on his countries enemy (Putins) nob?

Put simply with the current people running America the country can't be trusted anymore.