2024 OT Election Day Thread: Donald Trump elected POTUS, GOP wins Senate and House of Representatives

It'll be harder and harder to deal with bots now that the US has apparently stopped policing Russian cybercrimes.

It's amusing (?) how MAGA supporters still insist everything is normal, despite the very clear signs that the US and Russia are now in cahoots with each other.

Did Mexico and Canada technically just defeat America?

I also think government needs to crack down on social networks that spread disinformation and propaganda. It's one of the reasons the US is in the mess it's in.

Trump caved.😂 Making the US look weak.

Maybe someone finally told Trump how tariffs work?

Either way, I can't wait for early April, when the USA threatens its allies and then folds again for another month.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/06/us-european-consulates-state-department

Uh oh, can’t wait to see Stevie and Villain’s attempts to spin this as a good thing, just saying.

@agent_stroud: Sorry, I'm just more disturb seeing the Dems showing their hate towards Trump's speech. Truly sad to see this happening to the Dems party itself. But don't worry, I'll read about Europe news later this weekend.

@davillain: Oh, poor widdle Donnie Diapers isn’t getting any respect from the people he’s been repeatedly attacking for a long time now, eh? Did you have any sympathy for Joey when Large Marge showed her ass during one of his speeches, by any chance? 🥱

Were you equally disturbed every time MTG and Boebart showed their hate towards Bidens speechES.

Honestly, I feel sorry for you.

Is it possible that Trump & Traitors are just manipulating the markets?

I don't get this administration's approach to negotiations - the tactic of killing the hostage then demanding the ransom. Isn't that all topsy turvy?

It's just resulting in distrust and strategic realignment. Maybe there's a useful message in showing you're not afraid to go for the nuclear option every time in business, but I don't know that it translates so well as a first response in international relations, where you're going to be dealing with the same partners and adversaries again and again down the road.

I don't know... maybe it's all part of that whole plan to weaken the dollar for economic reasons?

Right wingers seem to have short memories hey dav?

And he was right the Republicans don't want the rich *cough* Musk/Trump *cough* to pay a fair share, and he was right about Medicaid too. What says you Dav?

On a side note, none of the Republicans were thrown out, again dav what says you?

It seems what's good for the Goose is NOT good for the Gander.

Nope. They only see what they want to see. This is why you can't take these folks seriously. They live in an alternate reality.

@uninspiredcup: I talked about the increase. In local currency it is from 35 billion nok to 85 billion nok.

It has been suggested that Norway should match the US support in 2024 in terms of money.

@horgen: Thinking as well.

European, and other nations will be looking at that they are doing with Ukraine, extortion, effectively disabling and/or crippling their weapons allowing Russia to bomb the shit out of them. Stuff like Starlink as well, or third party American companies where he can just tell them to stop.

e.g. https://unn.ua/en/news/maxar-has-stopped-providing-satellite-images-to-ukraine-due-to-a-us-ban-media

Long term, like 5+ years, will Europe, and others be looking at this, thinking they want to buy or share American weapons?

Or will they focus on internally developed, boosting industry within their own country costing America tens/hundreds of billions?

If look at it from a Donald Trump view, where ethics, values are removed and it's purely transactional, it seems like a rather stupid move even on that level to trade or be dependent on America when they operate now like a mafia shakedown.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy83r93l208o

Donald Tusk announces military training plan for all Polish men

Work is underway to make all men in Poland undergo military training, Prime Minister Donald Tusk said.

In a speech to the Polish parliament, Tusk said the government aimed to give full details in the coming months.

Efforts are being made to "prepare large-scale military training for every adult male in Poland," he told the Sejm.

"We will try to have a model ready by the end of this year so that every adult male in Poland is trained in the event of war, so that this reserve is comparable and adequate to the potential threats."

Tusk said the Ukrainian army has 800,000 soldiers, whilst Russia has around 1.3 million and he wants to increase the size of the Polish army, including reservists, to 500,000 from around 200,000 now.

"We're talking about the need to have an army of half a million in Poland, including the reservists," he said.

"It seems if we organize things wisely, and I'm talking constantly with the Minister of Defence, we will have to use several courses of action. That means the reservists, but also intensive training to make those who do not go into the army fully-fledged and competent soldiers during a conflict," he added.

Tusk said women may also undergo military training, but "war, is still to a greater extent the domain of men".

Poland is already planning to spend 4.7% of its economic output on defence this year, the highest proportion in the Nato alliance.

Tusk told parliament that spending should increase to 5% of GDP.

Earlier, President Duda proposed amending the constitution to make defence spending at a level of 4% of GDP compulsory

The prime minister also said he supports Poland withdrawing from the Ottawa convention that bans the use of antipersonnel landmines, and also possibly from the Dublin convention that bans the use of cluster munitions.

@uninspiredcup: Poland would be especially worried about their sovereignty. Trump is making such a mess of the world because he doesn't care about anything but himself, he's stupid, and he's Putin's chew toy.

I've said it before and I say it again.

But I wouldnt mind seeing a European Federation (AKA United States of Europe). It would probably be the easiest way to ensure the security of the continent. The United States have shown they are no reliable ally. And right now arguably harbor greater sympathies to Russia than they do to Europe. Despite of Russia's belligerence.

Its not ideal of course. But it is probably the best long term solution to an increasingly divided world.

The current structure is not terribly efficient.

Speak of the devil and he shall something something..

https://kyivindependent.com/germany-should-lessen-reliance-on-us-weapons-amid-shifting-politics-airbus-defense-chief-says/

Not exactly rocket science, apparently it is for Trump.

Germany should reduce reliance on US arms amid geopolitical shifts, Airbus Defense and Space CEO says.

Germany should reduce its dependence on U.S. defense manufacturers amid shifting political signals from Washington, the CEO of Airbus Defense and Space, Michael Schollhorn, warned in an interview with Augsburger Allgemeine, published on March 7.

Schollhorn emphasized that Berlin should prioritize European defense companies, particularly as Germany's likely next chancellor, Friedrich Merz, has announced plans to raise hundreds of billions of euros for defense and infrastructure.

"If we continue to buy off-the-shelf products from the United States with this higher defense spending, we are cementing our dependence on others," Schollhorn said.

The business executive added that Denmark may already realize that purchasing U.S.-made F-35 fighter jets was a questionable decision, mainly "if they actually had to defend Greenland."

Schollhorn's remarks follow U.S. President Donald Trump's controversial statement on March 4, in which he once again expressed interest in acquiring Greenland through purchase or force.

Schollhorn argued that Europe's defense industries must collaborate more closely instead of competing individually.

"We need not only an increase in defense spending at the national level but also a coordinated approach among key European countries," he said.

The comments come amid growing scrutiny of Trump's foreign policy, as the U.S. president has echoed Kremlin narratives, sidelined Kyiv and Europe in direct talks with Moscow, and accused President Volodymyr Zelensky of prolonging Russia's war.

On March 6, Trump also cast doubt on Washington's commitment to defending its NATO partners, saying that the U.S. will not protect those that fail to meet defense spending targets.

During a meeting with Zelensky on Feb. 28, Trump said that Europe should take responsibility for Ukraine's security and refused to offer U.S. guarantees.

Washington has since frozen all military aid and intelligence sharing with Ukraine, a move widely seen as an attempt to pressure Kyiv into negotiations with Moscow.

trump spending proposals and massive tax cuts to wealthy will pulverize public debt.

plan is to crush the economy, force fed to lower interest rates, so the interest on the trillions of additional debt he piles on us all will be slightly less painful

@uninspiredcup: investors to trump:

Oh, how so then?

As evidenced by your replies, you don't understand the term knee-jerk nor do you understand what a red herring is. Until you explain your reasoning, the replies speaks for themselves.

So today is supposed to be the kickoff of the crypto summit. IMO this is what I'm most worried about by this president.

People seem to think he's having DOGE freeze spending to use that money to pay for tax cuts for rich people but I don't even think that's in works as much as Trump wants to dump our federal treasury coffers in a crypto pump and dump that some people will get exceptionally rich over but will leave the government broke. They'll go "woopsie" but oh well I'm rich I'm taking my wealth and moving to Dubai, good luck y'all.

@uninspiredcup said:

Amazing. Look at how much we are winning right now....

I can honestly imagine the backlash from the right that Biden would be facing right now if the markets were crashing like this under his watch. Actually, even right now, they would find some way to blame the left. I've already personally had people blame democrats for our current state of affairs. I tend not to argue with them though because it just don't feel like its worth the stress...

No comment.

https://x.com/front_ukrainian/status/1898066273721864415

https://x.com/Mylovanov/status/1898072831532867757

You demonstrated both perfectly. Next time, when you have a knee jerk reaction to my comment don't respond with a red herring. 😊

And folks follow this guy. 😂

Again, just because you say something with no foundation doesn't make it so.

Circular reasoning and now the "I know you are but what am I."

I'll include that with your constant dancing; enter racoon: "Pedro Pedro Pedro." lol

All that, and we're making preemtive concessions to Russia before negotiations even begin. Donny used to make fun of Democrats for being that weak, but now here we are. "Maximum pressure" on our friends, gentle strokes for our adversaries.

Trump on truth social:

Based on the fact that Russia is absolutely “pounding” Ukraine on the battlefield right now, I am strongly considering large scale Banking Sanctions, Sanctions, and Tariffs on Russia until a Cease Fire and FINAL SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT ON PEACE IS REACHED. To Russia and Ukraine, get to the table right now, before it is too late. Thank you!!!

Does Trump have any idea what has given Russia the incentive to absolutely pound Ukraine 🙄. Maybe he needs to say a few times more that "Russia holds all the cards" to make them back off? Or perhaps send the amunition/intel intended for Ukraine to Russia instead. Perhaps they will then stop bombing in gratitude?

I wasn't there when it happened.

Trump is just an old fart surrounded by unqualified people. What could go wrong?

Were you there this time? PS, it happened multiple times when Biden was president. He did not throw anyone out.

Why the whataboutism though? Does someone have to comment on every single issue in order to validate your perception?

Regarding Musk.

https://archive.ph/Tjo5K

Inside the Explosive Meeting Where Trump Officials Clashed With Elon Musk

Simmering anger at the billionaire’s unchecked power spilled out in a remarkable Cabinet Room meeting. The president quickly moved to rein in Mr. Musk.

@Stevo_the_gamer: At the very least it will help him understand (not really) that he should be equally concerned about the state of the party he voted for.

Mr. Duffy said there were not any names, because he had stopped them from being fired. At another point, Mr. Musk insisted that people hired under diversity, equity and inclusion programs were working in control towers. Mr. Duffy pushed back and Mr. Musk did not add details, but said during the longer back and forth that Mr. Duffy had his number and should call him if he had any issues to raise.The exchange ended with Mr. Trump telling Mr. Duffy that he had to hire people from MIT as air traffic controllers. These air traffic controllers need to be “geniuses,” he said.

WTF. These people are morons.

@davillain: You weren't there at either of them, yet you watched Trumps and are happy to slam one side while completely disregarding the other sides poor behaviour.

Did you even watch the video I posted dav?

It's not whataboutism. I'm calling out selective rage.

Nah, it's a legitimate counterargument. Republicans can't claim "they didn't repect the president" in good faith - not after years of MTG and Boebert all-but flinging their feces at Biden every time he made a speech.

I said something you didn't like, so you had a knee jerk reaction with a red herring argument that I had no interest in. Everything you have said since then, was you trying to console yourself because I don't want to engage in your basic baiting. 😂

@Pedro said:

The party of free speech.🤭

It would be a shame if there is a fallout between the two. They are such a good pair.😏

How do you define whataboutism?

It's a deflection, especially since the argument is directed at the who instead of the what in the post. Posters aren't representatives of the parties, that's silly.

@Pedro said:

@Stevo_the_gamer said:

Again, just because you say something with no foundation doesn't make it so.

Circular reasoning and now the "I know you are but what am I."

I'll include that with your constant dancing; enter racoon: "Pedro Pedro Pedro." lol

I said something you didn't like, so you had a knee jerk reaction with a red herring argument that I had no interest in. Everything you have said since then, was you trying to console yourself because I don't want to engage in your basic baiting. 😂

@Pedro said:

The party of free speech.🤭

I'm sure one of these days you'll be able to explain your thoughts, Until then, keep dancing as predicted. lol

Nice fantasy story...

Do you actually have any facts and expert opinions to backup it up? No, not really, only the propaganda fed to you.

@Pedro said:

@Stevo_the_gamer said:

Again, just because you say something with no foundation doesn't make it so.

Circular reasoning and now the "I know you are but what am I."

I'll include that with your constant dancing; enter racoon: "Pedro Pedro Pedro." lol

I said something you didn't like, so you had a knee jerk reaction with a red herring argument that I had no interest in. Everything you have said since then, was you trying to console yourself because I don't want to engage in your basic baiting. 😂

@Pedro said:

The party of free speech.🤭

Supporting terrorism is free speech?

And again, the same shit in Germany. A lil report by public TV.

"Antisemitism at Universities: Unions warn of radicalisation"