85 year old woman with gun makes home intruder call the cops on himself..

[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]Nobody needs a gun to feel safe. But it's our right to have one if we ever so please.SolidSnake35

First of all, I never said I even wanted one. Secondly, if somebody wants to own a gun, if they have a clear criminal history, then there is no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to own one.. weather they want to use it to hunt, shoot at the range, collect, protection, etc.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]

I figured that's what this thread was about though, what with the old lady protecting herself and all...The_Ish

Definitely helps.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]Nobody needs a gun to feel safe. But it's our right to have one if we ever so please.The_Mac_Daddy

First of all, I never said I even wanted one. Secondly, if somebody wants to own a gun, if they have a clear criminal history, then there is no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to own one.. weather they want to use it to hunt, shoot at the range, collect, protection, etc.

having a criminal history means you got caught, what if you didnt

I still dont see the point

I mean some people might enjoy walking into the woods and shooting an animal for no reason and collecting guns if they have no use

alexmurray

And that perfectly fine.

Especially since almost all firearm murders are committed with illegal firearms, and not with legal ones owned by law abiding citizens, who live in places with low crime rates.

[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="Shrapnel99"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]You can think what you want, my british friend. Here in the USA, we have the right to bear arms. It's something that was decided after the United States was sick of british law and sent the british running home with their tails between their legs.alexmurray

Just because someone owns a gun, doesn't mean it's for protection...

so whats the point then.....

hunting? shooting as a hobby? collecting?

I still dont see the point

I mean some people might enjoy walking into the woods and shooting an animal for no reason and collecting guns if they have no use

Who cares if you don't see the point. You don't live here in the USA, you are out of the loop. You have never had a reason to own a gun. Hunting I'm guessing isn't big in the UK. Shooting at the range, or skeet shooting probably doesn't interest y'all because y'all have probably never been exposed to that. You just can't comprehend since you come from britain.

[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]Nobody needs a gun to feel safe. But it's our right to have one if we ever so please.alexmurray

First of all, I never said I even wanted one. Secondly, if somebody wants to own a gun, if they have a clear criminal history, then there is no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to own one.. weather they want to use it to hunt, shoot at the range, collect, protection, etc.

having a criminal history means you got caught, what if you didnt

Honestly I don't disagree with the right to bear arms, I just don't see the necessity to have hundreds of firearms when 1 or 2 should suffice.kayn83

I agree.

Gun control, good (though current gun legislation is idiotic)

Gun ban, bad

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]Nobody needs a gun to feel safe. But it's our right to have one if we ever so please.The_Mac_Daddy

First of all, I never said I even wanted one. Secondly, if somebody wants to own a gun, if they have a clear criminal history, then there is no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to own one.. weather they want to use it to hunt, shoot at the range, collect, protection, etc.

[QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]Nobody needs a gun to feel safe. But it's our right to have one if we ever so please.needled24-7

First of all, I never said I even wanted one. Secondly, if somebody wants to own a gun, if they have a clear criminal history, then there is no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to own one.. weather they want to use it to hunt, shoot at the range, collect, protection, etc.

having a criminal history means you got caught, what if you didnt

yea but selling them to the public just makes it easier for them to get them

[QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]

I figured that's what this thread was about though, what with the old lady protecting herself and all...SolidSnake35

Definitely helps.

See, this is where you are wrong and ignorant. Criminals 95% of the time have unregistered, illegal firearms. No criminal EVER commits a robbery with a registered handgun that can be traced back to them. So yes, criminals will get guns no matter what.. and not legally.

Secondly, yes, a robbery committed with a firearm should be punished further than an unarmed robbery. Why? Because of intent. If someone robs you unarmed, then the threat of violence is much lower. Once a gun comes into play, then the threat of violence and possible intent to kill if need be comes into play. So no, the act is NOT the same.

Why do you think the OJ Simpson thing where he went with guys into the hotel to get his stuff back was such a big deal? It wouldn't have been if guns weren't involved.

Whether guns are legal or not, criminals will still get them.needled24-7

Meh. If people have the right to own guns, criminals have the right to use them too. SolidSnake35

Incorrect. People have the right to bear arms, but they can't use it to inflict harm on another unless they are defending themselves. Criminals, by nature, don't abide by that rule.

Armed robbery should not be punished any further than regular robbery. The act is the same and guns are totally fine, so it doesn't really matter that they had one.SolidSnake35

Yes, it does. If you've ever been mugged, then thats robbery. You were beat up, and had your money taken. If they mugged you with a gun, then they threatened your life, which is usually worse than a beating. And not only did they mug you with a gun they obtained legally, they used their weapon illegaly (something that is a vastly uncommon occurance in the US), and if that gun was never illegally obtained, that person used an illegal firearm in an illegal way. You shouldn't commit crimes in the first place, but if you use weapons to commit a crime you should be punished accordingly.

[QUOTE="needled24-7"][QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]Nobody needs a gun to feel safe. But it's our right to have one if we ever so please.alexmurray

First of all, I never said I even wanted one. Secondly, if somebody wants to own a gun, if they have a clear criminal history, then there is no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to own one.. weather they want to use it to hunt, shoot at the range, collect, protection, etc.

having a criminal history means you got caught, what if you didnt

yea but selling them to the public just makes it easier for them to get them

[QUOTE="needled24-7"][QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]Nobody needs a gun to feel safe. But it's our right to have one if we ever so please.alexmurray

First of all, I never said I even wanted one. Secondly, if somebody wants to own a gun, if they have a clear criminal history, then there is no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to own one.. weather they want to use it to hunt, shoot at the range, collect, protection, etc.

having a criminal history means you got caught, what if you didnt

yea but selling them to the public just makes it easier for them to get them

No it doesn't. Why would that make it easier?

Yes because guns are too much power for a regular person to have. So what if she did something heroic... she could've easily lost her nerve and killed someone.SolidSnake35

yea but selling them to the public just makes it easier for them to get them

alexmurray

Nope. Not really.

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]Whether guns are legal or not, criminals will still get them.SolidSnake35

You just can't comprehend since you come from britain.The_Mac_Daddy

Why do you think the OJ Simpson thing where he went with guys into the hotel to get his stuff back was such a big deal? It wouldn't have been if guns weren't involved. The_Mac_Daddy

[QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="needled24-7"][QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]Nobody needs a gun to feel safe. But it's our right to have one if we ever so please.The_Mac_Daddy

First of all, I never said I even wanted one. Secondly, if somebody wants to own a gun, if they have a clear criminal history, then there is no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to own one.. weather they want to use it to hunt, shoot at the range, collect, protection, etc.

having a criminal history means you got caught, what if you didnt

yea but selling them to the public just makes it easier for them to get them

No it doesn't. Why would that make it easier?

because people who have yet to comit a crime could go out buy a gun at their local gunshop and then commit a crime

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]Whether guns are legal or not, criminals will still get them.SolidSnake35

wait, what?

So youre saying if I own a gun, and someone else with a gun robs someone, it would be hypocritical of me to frown upon them?

[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"] You just can't comprehend since you come from britain.SolidSnake35

I guess knives are more acceptable substitute for guns, right?

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="needled24-7"]Whether guns are legal or not, criminals will still get them.needled24-7

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="needled24-7"]Whether guns are legal or not, criminals will still get them.mrbojangles25

wait, what?

So youre saying if I own a gun, and someone else with a gun robs someone, it would be hypocritical of me to frown upon them?

Yes, since he broke the law, you're breaking the law too.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"] You just can't comprehend since you come from britain.The_Ish

I guess knives are more acceptable substitute for guns, right?

you cant ban knives

[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"] You just can't comprehend since you come from britain.SolidSnake35

Why do you think the OJ Simpson thing where he went with guys into the hotel to get his stuff back was such a big deal? It wouldn't have been if guns weren't involved. The_Mac_Daddy

Gun crime isn't a problem in all of the U.S. :?

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"] You just can't comprehend since you come from britain.The_Ish

I guess knives are more acceptable substitute for guns, right?

I didn't mean that. It's just if people condone the use of firearms, how can they take issue with armed criminals?SolidSnake35

Because that is an illegal use of a firearm.

[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"] You just can't comprehend since you come from britain.SolidSnake35

Why do you think the OJ Simpson thing where he went with guys into the hotel to get his stuff back was such a big deal? It wouldn't have been if guns weren't involved. The_Mac_Daddy

God you are thick skulled. I'm not talking about protecting yourself. Hunting is a BIG thing in the Southern USA. That's what I'm talking about people from britian can't comprehend. God why can't you get it through your thick skull that there is more to guns than using for protection.

And like I said about the OJ Simpson thing.. they were comitting a crime with illegal firearms. If guns were illegal, they would have still done that anyway. It's not the guns that are the problem.. it's the people who use them in harmful ways. And those people are criminals. And those people will get guns no matter if they are legal or illegal.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"] You just can't comprehend since you come from britain.Shrapnel99

Why do you think the OJ Simpson thing where he went with guys into the hotel to get his stuff back was such a big deal? It wouldn't have been if guns weren't involved. The_Mac_Daddy

Gun crime isn't a problem in all of the U.S. :?

but alot of shootings including viginia tech could have been prevented if guns where banned

[QUOTE="needled24-7"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="needled24-7"]Whether guns are legal or not, criminals will still get them.SolidSnake35

[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="needled24-7"][QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]Nobody needs a gun to feel safe. But it's our right to have one if we ever so please.alexmurray

First of all, I never said I even wanted one. Secondly, if somebody wants to own a gun, if they have a clear criminal history, then there is no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to own one.. weather they want to use it to hunt, shoot at the range, collect, protection, etc.

having a criminal history means you got caught, what if you didnt

yea but selling them to the public just makes it easier for them to get them

No it doesn't. Why would that make it easier?

because people who have yet to comit a crime could go out buy a gun at their local gunshop and then commit a crime

No, they cannot just walk in and buy a gun. You are ignorant.

I'm guessing we're trying to tackle the use of knives, and not tell everyone to run to the store and buy the largest butcher knife they can find.SolidSnake35

Why not ban knives? It seems more logical. Even fruit knives can be sharpened to be lethal. You don't really need metal knives. Just use plastic ones or buy everything pre-cut.

but alot of shootings including viginia tech could have been prevented if guns where banned

alexmurray

That kid bought his guns illegally.

I don't understand what your trying to say, are you saying everyone has to be punished for the crimes of another?

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="needled24-7"]Whether guns are legal or not, criminals will still get them.mrbojangles25

wait, what?

So youre saying if I own a gun, and someone else with a gun robs someone, it would be hypocritical of me to frown upon them?

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"] You just can't comprehend since you come from britain.The_Mac_Daddy

Why do you think the OJ Simpson thing where he went with guys into the hotel to get his stuff back was such a big deal? It wouldn't have been if guns weren't involved. The_Mac_Daddy

God you are thick skulled. I'm not talking about protecting yourself. Hunting is a BIG thing in the Southern USA. That's what I'm talking about people from britian can't comprehend. God why can't you get it through your thick skull that there is more to guns than using for protection.

And like I said about the OJ Simpson thing.. they were comitting a crime with illegal firearms. If guns were illegal, they would have still done that anyway. It's not the guns that are the problem.. it's the people who use them in harmful ways. And those people are criminals. And those people will get guns no matter if they are legal or illegal.

hunting is unnecessary anyway shooting animals isnt fun, and you dont need a gun for protection because thats what the police where designed for so what is the point of gun ownership

[QUOTE="Shrapnel99"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"] You just can't comprehend since you come from britain.alexmurray

Why do you think the OJ Simpson thing where he went with guys into the hotel to get his stuff back was such a big deal? It wouldn't have been if guns weren't involved. The_Mac_Daddy

Gun crime isn't a problem in all of the U.S. :?

but alot of shootings including viginia tech could have been prevented if guns where banned

[QUOTE="alexmurray"]

but alot of shootings including viginia tech could have been prevented if guns where banned

The_Ish

That kid bought his guns illegally.

I don't understand what your trying to say, are you saying everyone has to punished for the crimes of another?

no he bought his guns in a legal gun shop :?

[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"] You just can't comprehend since you come from britain.alexmurray

Why do you think the OJ Simpson thing where he went with guys into the hotel to get his stuff back was such a big deal? It wouldn't have been if guns weren't involved. The_Mac_Daddy

God you are thick skulled. I'm not talking about protecting yourself. Hunting is a BIG thing in the Southern USA. That's what I'm talking about people from britian can't comprehend. God why can't you get it through your thick skull that there is more to guns than using for protection.

And like I said about the OJ Simpson thing.. they were comitting a crime with illegal firearms. If guns were illegal, they would have still done that anyway. It's not the guns that are the problem.. it's the people who use them in harmful ways. And those people are criminals. And those people will get guns no matter if they are legal or illegal.

hunting is unnecessary anyway shooting animals isnt fun, and you dont need a gun for protection because thats what the police where designed for so what is the point of gun ownership

God you are thick skulled. I'm not talking about protecting yourself. Hunting is a BIG thing in the Southern USA. That's what I'm talking about people from britian can't comprehend. God why can't you get it through your thick skull that there is more to guns than using for protection.The_Mac_Daddy

hunting is unnecessary anyway shooting animals isnt fun, and you dont need a gun for protection because thats what the police where designed for so what is the point of gun ownership

alexmurray

Don't talk about things you obviously don't know about. Hunting is considered fun by many. It's a valid opinion, deal with it. And in a lot of states, citizens have to hunt to curb the population of certain animals, so they don't become a civil nuisance over the winter.

[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"] You just can't comprehend since you come from britain.alexmurray

Why do you think the OJ Simpson thing where he went with guys into the hotel to get his stuff back was such a big deal? It wouldn't have been if guns weren't involved. The_Mac_Daddy

God you are thick skulled. I'm not talking about protecting yourself. Hunting is a BIG thing in the Southern USA. That's what I'm talking about people from britian can't comprehend. God why can't you get it through your thick skull that there is more to guns than using for protection.

And like I said about the OJ Simpson thing.. they were comitting a crime with illegal firearms. If guns were illegal, they would have still done that anyway. It's not the guns that are the problem.. it's the people who use them in harmful ways. And those people are criminals. And those people will get guns no matter if they are legal or illegal.

hunting is unnecessary anyway shooting animals isnt fun, and you dont need a gun for protection because thats what the police where designed for so what is the point of gun ownership

Who are you to say shooting animals isn't fun? People do eat the animals they shoot, you know. It's not all just for sport. Not to mention, you are dead wrong about the police. It's not up to the police to protect you. They cannot stop something before it happens. It's their job to catch criminals.

[QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="Shrapnel99"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"] You just can't comprehend since you come from britain.needled24-7

Why do you think the OJ Simpson thing where he went with guys into the hotel to get his stuff back was such a big deal? It wouldn't have been if guns weren't involved. The_Mac_Daddy

Gun crime isn't a problem in all of the U.S. :?

but alot of shootings including viginia tech could have been prevented if guns where banned

well in the UK Ive never heard of a school shooting taking place, and guns are banned. I believe that if you can stop one shooting from banning guns, then banning guns is worth it

[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]God you are thick skulled. I'm not talking about protecting yourself. Hunting is a BIG thing in the Southern USA. That's what I'm talking about people from britian can't comprehend. God why can't you get it through your thick skull that there is more to guns than using for protection.SolidSnake35

Don't act like your country is all holier than thou. Gun crime is rising fast in britain. Y'all are starting to get a gun problem, too. But, maybe y'all just need a better hobby.. you know, like cricket or something.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] I'm guessing we're trying to tackle the use of knives, and not tell everyone to run to the store and buy the largest butcher knife they can find.The_Ish

Why not ban knives? It seems more logical. Even fruit knives can be sharpened to be lethal. You don't really need metal knives. Just use plastic ones or buy everything pre-cut.

[QUOTE="needled24-7"][QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="Shrapnel99"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"] You just can't comprehend since you come from britain.alexmurray

Why do you think the OJ Simpson thing where he went with guys into the hotel to get his stuff back was such a big deal? It wouldn't have been if guns weren't involved. The_Mac_Daddy

Gun crime isn't a problem in all of the U.S. :?

but alot of shootings including viginia tech could have been prevented if guns where banned

well in the UK Ive never heard of a school shooting taking place, and guns are banned. I believe that if you can stop one shooting from banning guns, then banning guns is worth it

oh reary?

The Erfurt massacre is the worst school shooting in Europe since a gunman killed 16 children and their teacher in Scotland in 1996.

[QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"] You just can't comprehend since you come from britain.The_Mac_Daddy

Why do you think the OJ Simpson thing where he went with guys into the hotel to get his stuff back was such a big deal? It wouldn't have been if guns weren't involved. The_Mac_Daddy

God you are thick skulled. I'm not talking about protecting yourself. Hunting is a BIG thing in the Southern USA. That's what I'm talking about people from britian can't comprehend. God why can't you get it through your thick skull that there is more to guns than using for protection.

And like I said about the OJ Simpson thing.. they were comitting a crime with illegal firearms. If guns were illegal, they would have still done that anyway. It's not the guns that are the problem.. it's the people who use them in harmful ways. And those people are criminals. And those people will get guns no matter if they are legal or illegal.

hunting is unnecessary anyway shooting animals isnt fun, and you dont need a gun for protection because thats what the police where designed for so what is the point of gun ownership

Who are you to say shooting animals isn't fun? People do eat the animals they shoot, you know. It's not all just for sport. Not to mention, you are dead wrong about the police. It's not up to the police to protect you. They cannot stop something before it happens. It's their job to catch criminals.

so if somebody with a gun was trying to get into your house you wouldn't call the police because its not their job to protect you

This stuff happens all the time.. people with guns catch intruders in the act.. this is just in the news because the woman was 85 years old. Are you still against the right to bear arms? Story:

POINT MARION, Pa. - An 85-year-old woman boldly went for her gun and busted a would-be burglar inside her home, then forced him to call police while she kept him in her sights, police said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/911_at_gunpoint

The_Mac_Daddy

HAHA she rules

[QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="alexmurray"]

but alot of shootings including viginia tech could have been prevented if guns where banned

alexmurray

That kid bought his guns illegally.

I don't understand what your trying to say, are you saying everyone has to punished for the crimes of another?

no he bought his guns in a legal gun shop :?

You didn't read correctly.

He bought those guns illegally.

By Federal Law, he isn't allowed to handle firearms because he was admitted to a mental institution. That's why whoever sold those weapons to him, sold them illegally.

Don't act like your country is all holier than thou. Gun crime is rising fast in britain. Y'all are starting to get a gun problem, too. But, maybe y'all just need a better hobby.. you know, like cricket or something.The_Mac_Daddy