85 year old woman with gun makes home intruder call the cops on himself..

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="SylentButDeadly"][QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="SylentButDeadly"][QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]Whooped the british all the way back to their tiny island. jointed

Too bad we burnt down your capital 19 years later ;)

To bad we saved your ***es from total destruction in WWII ;)

again we stopped the Nazi invasion by the RAF and the royal navy, Britain would still be controlled by the British just Europe would be controlled by the Nazis

Quit denting it, you were losing.

Quit acting like Britain is something. Yall are a nobody compared to us. Im not saying it in a mean way, Im just saying that yall arent powerful like you used to be.

oh yea being the 4th most powerful nation in the world is pretty weak.

just out of curiosity would you be able to admit that the USA could beat the UK in a war? modern times, iraq is out of the picture. the way you word this is going to answer a lot

Just drop the UK vs. US thing...we're supposed to be allies. And yes, the US could easily "beat" the UK in a war, you're almost 6 times larger and have a huge military budget.

i really dont hate the uk, i was just digging.

we're supposed to be allies.

Believe me, dunno about America, but there's plenty of people over here that want nothing to do with America and it's wars. Why do you think people slagged off Tony Blair so badly?

Believe me, dunno about America, but there's plenty of people over here that want nothing to do with America and it's wars. Why do you think people slagged off Tony Blair so badly?

mentalabc123

and look at the replacement we got :?

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]i want to make it very clear that i think youre backed into a corner on this issue and you arent even making a convincing argument in the slightest. criminals get guns illegally, for that reason alone you need to arm the law abiding citizens. and no the illegal guns dont come from the states, gangs smuggle them from south america.SolidSnake35

let me give you an example of why the police dont work

Criminal:Give me your money, I have a gun and you dont

Victim;im calling the cops

Criminal shoots victim

Criminal gets away.

This all happens in about 15 seconds. you guys must have some SUPER fast cops to be able to get the phone call, process the information and get in the car and be there.

Bottom line is, cops arent much.

I'm just stubbornly defending my ideal. You can't make me think that a world with guns is better than a world without them. No, you don't. You arm the police and they deal with the criminals. What makes your method better than ours? It works well for us and we're promoting the idea that gun aren't a good thing, which I find important as a principal.SolidSnake35

Don't you think it would be a wiser choice to tackle the issue of Crime, not just gun crime instead?

If you fix issues which usually lead to murder in the place first, you won't have people dieing, from guns or any other object for that matter.

Like I said before. Most gun crime is drug or gang related in most major cities. Poverty is also a big factor. If you tackle these issues, the issue of crime would be greatly reduced.

Believe me, dunno about America, but there's plenty of people over here that want nothing to do with America and it's wars.mentalabc123

[QUOTE="mentalabc123"]

Believe me, dunno about America, but there's plenty of people over here that want nothing to do with America and it's wars. Why do you think people slagged off Tony Blair so badly?

alexmurray

and look at the replacement we got :?

You really can't win, lol.

I expect we'll have 'Call me Dave' Cameron in next.

[QUOTE="alexmurray"]

gun rights are part of a greater issue: individual rights

Donkey_Puncher

This is exactly the reason I support gun ownership. Hell I don't even like guns, I get paranoid when someone brings a loaded one even close to me. It's a sad day when the government could have the ability to completely unarm their populance.

You should be pretty paranoid around guns, even if you know they are not loaded. We have 15 guns and I make a habit of everytime I take one out of the safe I check to make sure it isn't loaded (we always keep them unloaded), and still act as it was loaded (never pointing it at anyone).

Like I said before we own 15 guns, and they were never fired at anyone.

You can also collect guns we have a M1 Garand and Carbine, and they might of been used during WW2 or Korea, you can look at pictures of World War 2, but you can't really connect to WW2 just by looking at a picture. Sometimes you have to hold something in your hands.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]i want to make it very clear that i think youre backed into a corner on this issue and you arent even making a convincing argument in the slightest. criminals get guns illegally, for that reason alone you need to arm the law abiding citizens. and no the illegal guns dont come from the states, gangs smuggle them from south america.H8sMikeMoore

let me give you an example of why the police dont work

Criminal:Give me your money, I have a gun and you dont

Victim;im calling the cops

Criminal shoots victim

Criminal gets away.

This all happens in about 15 seconds. you guys must have some SUPER fast cops to be able to get the phone call, process the information and get in the car and be there.

Bottom line is, cops arent much.

Criminal- give me your money

victim pulls out gun

criminal shoots victim

Believe me, dunno about America, but there's plenty of people over here that want nothing to do with America and it's wars. Why do you think people slagged off Tony Blair so badly?

mentalabc123

The UK - US partnership goes far beyond the Bush administration. It's about values, ideals and principles.

[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="alexmurray"]

gun rights are part of a greater issue: individual rights

Chaos_HL21

This is exactly the reason I support gun ownership. Hell I don't even like guns, I get paranoid when someone brings a loaded one even close to me. It's a sad day when the government could have the ability to completely unarm their populance.

You should be pretty paranoid around guns, even if you know they are not loaded. We have 15 guns and I make a habit of everytime I take one out of the safe I check to make sure it isn't loaded (we always keep them unloaded), and still act as it was loaded (never pointing it at anyone).

Like I said before we own 15 guns, and they were never fired at anyone.

You can also collect guns we have a M1 Garand and Carbine, and they might of been used during WW2 or Korea, you can look at pictures of World War 2, but you can't really connect to WW2 just by looking at a picture. Sometimes you have to hold something in your hands.

I dont recall writing what was in that quote box :?

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]i want to make it very clear that i think youre backed into a corner on this issue and you arent even making a convincing argument in the slightest. criminals get guns illegally, for that reason alone you need to arm the law abiding citizens. and no the illegal guns dont come from the states, gangs smuggle them from south america.alexmurray

let me give you an example of why the police dont work

Criminal:Give me your money, I have a gun and you dont

Victim;im calling the cops

Criminal shoots victim

Criminal gets away.

This all happens in about 15 seconds. you guys must have some SUPER fast cops to be able to get the phone call, process the information and get in the car and be there.

Bottom line is, cops arent much.

Criminal- give me your money

victim pulls out gun

criminal shoots victim

Or the criminal runs away. Normally criminals don't want to fight their victims. But the fact of the matter is the cops would not be there to help.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] I'm just stubbornly defending my ideal. You can't make me think that a world with guns is better than a world without them. No, you don't. You arm the police and they deal with the criminals. What makes your method better than ours? It works well for us and we're promoting the idea that gun aren't a good thing, which I find important as a principal.Donkey_Puncher

Don't you think it would be a wiser choice to tackle the issue of Crime, not just gun crime instead?

If you fix issues which usually lead to murder in the place first, you won't have people dieing, from guns or any other object for that matter.

Like I said before. Most gun crime is drug or gang related in most major cities. Poverty is also a big factor. If you tackle these issues, the issue of crime would be greatly reduced.

exactly. so removing power from everyone is going to make a huge issue. and it will keep people in poverty. Not only will it remove jobs, it wont solve another big issue:legalization of drugs (and prostitution)

both of these will help the poor get out of poverty. they usually sell it anyway, and theyre getting put in prisons for it. Theyre also shooting people who arent paying up. Legalize drugs, make it legit and there will be less murders because it would result in no customers.

problem solved, you keep your guns.

>This all happens in about 15 seconds. you guys must have some SUPER fast cops to be able to get the phone call, process the information and get in the car and be there.H8sMikeMoore

[QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]i want to make it very clear that i think youre backed into a corner on this issue and you arent even making a convincing argument in the slightest. criminals get guns illegally, for that reason alone you need to arm the law abiding citizens. and no the illegal guns dont come from the states, gangs smuggle them from south america.Chaos_HL21

let me give you an example of why the police dont work

Criminal:Give me your money, I have a gun and you dont

Victim;im calling the cops

Criminal shoots victim

Criminal gets away.

This all happens in about 15 seconds. you guys must have some SUPER fast cops to be able to get the phone call, process the information and get in the car and be there.

Bottom line is, cops arent much.

Criminal- give me your money

victim pulls out gun

criminal shoots victim

Or the criminal runs away. Normally criminals don't want to fight their victims. But the fact of the matter is the cops would not be there to help.

so then he would run away when you call the police

[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="alexmurray"]

gun rights are part of a greater issue: individual rights

alexmurray

This is exactly the reason I support gun ownership. Hell I don't even like guns, I get paranoid when someone brings a loaded one even close to me. It's a sad day when the government could have the ability to completely unarm their populance.

You should be pretty paranoid around guns, even if you know they are not loaded. We have 15 guns and I make a habit of everytime I take one out of the safe I check to make sure it isn't loaded (we always keep them unloaded), and still act as it was loaded (never pointing it at anyone).

Like I said before we own 15 guns, and they were never fired at anyone.

You can also collect guns we have a M1 Garand and Carbine, and they might of been used during WW2 or Korea, you can look at pictures of World War 2, but you can't really connect to WW2 just by looking at a picture. Sometimes you have to hold something in your hands.

I dont recall writing what was in that quote box :?

I think H8MikeMoore said it, but the person I quoted messed up a quote tree.

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]>This all happens in about 15 seconds. you guys must have some SUPER fast cops to be able to get the phone call, process the information and get in the car and be there.SolidSnake35

this

I dont recall writing what was in that quote box :?

alexmurray

Could have been a misquote from me.

Think it was from H8t. Sorry bud.

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]i want to make it very clear that i think youre backed into a corner on this issue and you arent even making a convincing argument in the slightest. criminals get guns illegally, for that reason alone you need to arm the law abiding citizens. and no the illegal guns dont come from the states, gangs smuggle them from south america.alexmurray

let me give you an example of why the police dont work

Criminal:Give me your money, I have a gun and you dont

Victim;im calling the cops

Criminal shoots victim

Criminal gets away.

This all happens in about 15 seconds. you guys must have some SUPER fast cops to be able to get the phone call, process the information and get in the car and be there.

Bottom line is, cops arent much.

Criminal- give me your money

victim pulls out gun

criminal shoots victim

you really dont want to shoot someone whos holding a gun because if you get shot youll got into shock and pull the trigger. thats why when you see two people pointing guns at each other neither of them want to shoot. granted its usually in movies it is based in reality.

So if two people have guns, someones gotta move along. and its gonna be the criminal.

also if everyone is armed, someone will notice the criminal. So you're gonan have about 15 more guns pointed at you for trying to rob someone.

You CANT avoid that

[QUOTE="mentalabc123"]

Believe me, dunno about America, but there's plenty of people over here that want nothing to do with America and it's wars. Why do you think people slagged off Tony Blair so badly?

jointed

The UK - US partnership goes far beyond the Bush administration. It's about values, ideals and principles

And we don't want the US's.

Criminal- give me your money, victim pulls out gun, criminal shoots victimalexmurray

so then he would run away when you call the policealexmurray

Unless the police jumps out of the cell phone, there would be tons of time for the person to shoot you and take your money.

[QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]i want to make it very clear that i think youre backed into a corner on this issue and you arent even making a convincing argument in the slightest. criminals get guns illegally, for that reason alone you need to arm the law abiding citizens. and no the illegal guns dont come from the states, gangs smuggle them from south america.H8sMikeMoore

let me give you an example of why the police dont work

Criminal:Give me your money, I have a gun and you dont

Victim;im calling the cops

Criminal shoots victim

Criminal gets away.

This all happens in about 15 seconds. you guys must have some SUPER fast cops to be able to get the phone call, process the information and get in the car and be there.

Bottom line is, cops arent much.

Criminal- give me your money

victim pulls out gun

criminal shoots victim

you really dont want to shoot someone whos holding a gun because if you get shot youll got into shock and pull the trigger. thats why when you see two people pointing guns at each other neither of them want to shoot. granted its usually in movies it is based in reality.

So if two people have guns, someones gotta move along. and its gonna be the criminal.

also if everyone is armed, someone will notice the criminal. So you're gonan have about 15 more guns pointed at you for trying to rob someone.

You CANT avoid that

or you could just give him the money

[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"][QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]i want to make it very clear that i think youre backed into a corner on this issue and you arent even making a convincing argument in the slightest. criminals get guns illegally, for that reason alone you need to arm the law abiding citizens. and no the illegal guns dont come from the states, gangs smuggle them from south america.alexmurray

let me give you an example of why the police dont work

Criminal:Give me your money, I have a gun and you dont

Victim;im calling the cops

Criminal shoots victim

Criminal gets away.

This all happens in about 15 seconds. you guys must have some SUPER fast cops to be able to get the phone call, process the information and get in the car and be there.

Bottom line is, cops arent much.

Criminal- give me your money

victim pulls out gun

criminal shoots victim

Or the criminal runs away. Normally criminals don't want to fight their victims. But the fact of the matter is the cops would not be there to help.

so then he would run away when you call the police

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="mentalabc123"]

Believe me, dunno about America, but there's plenty of people over here that want nothing to do with America and it's wars. Why do you think people slagged off Tony Blair so badly?

mentalabc123

The UK - US partnership goes far beyond the Bush administration. It's about values, ideals and principles

And we don't want the US's.

So you're able to speak for a whole nation?

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]i want to make it very clear that i think youre backed into a corner on this issue and you arent even making a convincing argument in the slightest. criminals get guns illegally, for that reason alone you need to arm the law abiding citizens. and no the illegal guns dont come from the states, gangs smuggle them from south america.alexmurray

let me give you an example of why the police dont work

Criminal:Give me your money, I have a gun and you dont

Victim;im calling the cops

Criminal shoots victim

Criminal gets away.

This all happens in about 15 seconds. you guys must have some SUPER fast cops to be able to get the phone call, process the information and get in the car and be there.

Bottom line is, cops arent much.

Criminal- give me your money

victim pulls out gun

criminal shoots victim

you really dont want to shoot someone whos holding a gun because if you get shot youll got into shock and pull the trigger. thats why when you see two people pointing guns at each other neither of them want to shoot. granted its usually in movies it is based in reality.

So if two people have guns, someones gotta move along. and its gonna be the criminal.

also if everyone is armed, someone will notice the criminal. So you're gonan have about 15 more guns pointed at you for trying to rob someone.

You CANT avoid that

or you could just give him the money

thats a fundamental difference between america and the rest of the world. We dont even want to begin to tolerate the idea of people getting away with these things.

Youll probably find some silly reason to laugh at that, but could for once a european actually RESPECT the way americans want to live their OWN lives. You arent in our decision making process...

Youll probably find some silly reason to laugh at that, but could for once a european actually RESPECT the way americans want to live their OWN lives. You arent in our decision making process... H8sMikeMoore

[QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]i want to make it very clear that i think youre backed into a corner on this issue and you arent even making a convincing argument in the slightest. criminals get guns illegally, for that reason alone you need to arm the law abiding citizens. and no the illegal guns dont come from the states, gangs smuggle them from south america.H8sMikeMoore

let me give you an example of why the police dont work

Criminal:Give me your money, I have a gun and you dont

Victim;im calling the cops

Criminal shoots victim

Criminal gets away.

This all happens in about 15 seconds. you guys must have some SUPER fast cops to be able to get the phone call, process the information and get in the car and be there.

Bottom line is, cops arent much.

Criminal- give me your money

victim pulls out gun

criminal shoots victim

you really dont want to shoot someone whos holding a gun because if you get shot youll got into shock and pull the trigger. thats why when you see two people pointing guns at each other neither of them want to shoot. granted its usually in movies it is based in reality.

So if two people have guns, someones gotta move along. and its gonna be the criminal.

also if everyone is armed, someone will notice the criminal. So you're gonan have about 15 more guns pointed at you for trying to rob someone.

You CANT avoid that

or you could just give him the money

thats a fundamental difference between america and the rest of the world. We dont even want to begin to tolerate the idea of people getting away with these things.

Youll probably find some silly reason to laugh at that, but could for once a european actually RESPECT the way americans want to live their OWN lives. You arent in our decision making process...

We'll respect it if it's reasonable ;) You can't expect people to respect things just for the sake of it...especially not on a discussion board.

[QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]i want to make it very clear that i think youre backed into a corner on this issue and you arent even making a convincing argument in the slightest. criminals get guns illegally, for that reason alone you need to arm the law abiding citizens. and no the illegal guns dont come from the states, gangs smuggle them from south america.H8sMikeMoore

let me give you an example of why the police dont work

Criminal:Give me your money, I have a gun and you dont

Victim;im calling the cops

Criminal shoots victim

Criminal gets away.

This all happens in about 15 seconds. you guys must have some SUPER fast cops to be able to get the phone call, process the information and get in the car and be there.

Bottom line is, cops arent much.

Criminal- give me your money

victim pulls out gun

criminal shoots victim

you really dont want to shoot someone whos holding a gun because if you get shot youll got into shock and pull the trigger. thats why when you see two people pointing guns at each other neither of them want to shoot. granted its usually in movies it is based in reality.

So if two people have guns, someones gotta move along. and its gonna be the criminal.

also if everyone is armed, someone will notice the criminal. So you're gonan have about 15 more guns pointed at you for trying to rob someone.

You CANT avoid that

or you could just give him the money

thats a fundamental difference between america and the rest of the world. We dont even want to begin to tolerate the idea of people getting away with these things.

Youll probably find some silly reason to laugh at that, but could for once a european actually RESPECT the way americans want to live their OWN lives. You arent in our decision making process...

I dont care if my life savings where in my pocket my life is worth more then any some of money so I would give him my money

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]i want to make it very clear that i think youre backed into a corner on this issue and you arent even making a convincing argument in the slightest. criminals get guns illegally, for that reason alone you need to arm the law abiding citizens. and no the illegal guns dont come from the states, gangs smuggle them from south america.jointed

let me give you an example of why the police dont work

Criminal:Give me your money, I have a gun and you dont

Victim;im calling the cops

Criminal shoots victim

Criminal gets away.

This all happens in about 15 seconds. you guys must have some SUPER fast cops to be able to get the phone call, process the information and get in the car and be there.

Bottom line is, cops arent much.

Criminal- give me your money

victim pulls out gun

criminal shoots victim

you really dont want to shoot someone whos holding a gun because if you get shot youll got into shock and pull the trigger. thats why when you see two people pointing guns at each other neither of them want to shoot. granted its usually in movies it is based in reality.

So if two people have guns, someones gotta move along. and its gonna be the criminal.

also if everyone is armed, someone will notice the criminal. So you're gonan have about 15 more guns pointed at you for trying to rob someone.

You CANT avoid that

or you could just give him the money

thats a fundamental difference between america and the rest of the world. We dont even want to begin to tolerate the idea of people getting away with these things.

Youll probably find some silly reason to laugh at that, but could for once a european actually RESPECT the way americans want to live their OWN lives. You arent in our decision making process...

We'll respect it if it's reasonable ;) You can't expect people to respect things just for the sake of it...especially not on a discussion board.

we find it reasonable. and its okay if you dont get it. but the sheer number of people just blatantly laughing at americans and not even listening is pretty disrespectful, especially considering most americans are very respectful to europeans.

the murder rate in our country is directly related to our drug and prostitution policy, not our gun rights policy. if you own a gun in this country that isnt illegal you arent getting away with it. But that very important point DOSENT seem to matter to anti gun people

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]i want to make it very clear that i think youre backed into a corner on this issue and you arent even making a convincing argument in the slightest. criminals get guns illegally, for that reason alone you need to arm the law abiding citizens. and no the illegal guns dont come from the states, gangs smuggle them from south america.alexmurray

let me give you an example of why the police dont work

Criminal:Give me your money, I have a gun and you dont

Victim;im calling the cops

Criminal shoots victim

Criminal gets away.

This all happens in about 15 seconds. you guys must have some SUPER fast cops to be able to get the phone call, process the information and get in the car and be there.

Bottom line is, cops arent much.

Criminal- give me your money

victim pulls out gun

criminal shoots victim

you really dont want to shoot someone whos holding a gun because if you get shot youll got into shock and pull the trigger. thats why when you see two people pointing guns at each other neither of them want to shoot. granted its usually in movies it is based in reality.

So if two people have guns, someones gotta move along. and its gonna be the criminal.

also if everyone is armed, someone will notice the criminal. So you're gonan have about 15 more guns pointed at you for trying to rob someone.

You CANT avoid that

or you could just give him the money

thats a fundamental difference between america and the rest of the world. We dont even want to begin to tolerate the idea of people getting away with these things.

Youll probably find some silly reason to laugh at that, but could for once a european actually RESPECT the way americans want to live their OWN lives. You arent in our decision making process...

I dont care if my life savings where in my pocket my life is worth more then any some of money so I would give him my money

thats the difference between you and i. I have my absolute sole right to defend my own things especially when my own life is in danger.

YOU dont have to live like me

and I CERTAINLY dont HAVE to live like you.

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]i want to make it very clear that i think youre backed into a corner on this issue and you arent even making a convincing argument in the slightest. criminals get guns illegally, for that reason alone you need to arm the law abiding citizens. and no the illegal guns dont come from the states, gangs smuggle them from south america.alexmurray

let me give you an example of why the police dont work

Criminal:Give me your money, I have a gun and you dont

Victim;im calling the cops

Criminal shoots victim

Criminal gets away.

This all happens in about 15 seconds. you guys must have some SUPER fast cops to be able to get the phone call, process the information and get in the car and be there.

Bottom line is, cops arent much.

Criminal- give me your money

victim pulls out gun

criminal shoots victim

well at least the victim tried. better than sitting there and getting shot without trying.

anyway, you guys are oversimplifying the scenario. Its more like this:

*Burglar enters house, armed with an M16 and Grenade Launcher. This is America after all*

Burglar: give me your money! Ive got a big ass gun, and its my right to own it!
Victim: so do I! *pulls out an automatic shotgun* My husband got this little thing for home protection!
Burglar: and so this is how it ends? Very well, let us battle! *epic movie music ensues*
Victim: oh no, my house is destroyed and my dog is dead! *bang bang bang*
Burglar: this is about theft any more, its about pride and fatty american food! *boom crack bang*
Victim: blargh, I am deaded *dies*

*across the street, neighbors hear the commotion and, being in America, they go down to their 24-Hour gun store to get a gun which is both big, inexpensive, and given to them immediately. They then go back to the neighborhood*

Neighbors: oh no, the burglar killed our neighbor! Time for some old-fashioned American vigilante justice!
Dying Victim: a-a-a-a-avenge me! Like...in that movie....Red Dawn.
Neighbors: yes...YES! I WILL KILL THE BURGLAR!

*searches for burglar, goes to location*

Neighbor: you killed my neighbor, prepare to die *bang*
Burglar: oh noes! *dies after head explodes*

We must ban guns, things like this happen every day in America. Shame on our country for not taking responsibility away from the individual and babysitting them! Why doesnt America just make laws with a black and white mentality, without seeing if the good outweighs the bad. Even if there is a tiny bit of bad and a lot of good, the law should be made so there is no bad at all! We must keep reaching for a Utopia despite being an idealist dream and an impossible thing to acheive, no matter how many people we alienate along the way or rights we destroy.

But that very important point DOSENT seem to matter to anti gun people H8sMikeMoore

[QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]i want to make it very clear that i think youre backed into a corner on this issue and you arent even making a convincing argument in the slightest. criminals get guns illegally, for that reason alone you need to arm the law abiding citizens. and no the illegal guns dont come from the states, gangs smuggle them from south america.mrbojangles25

let me give you an example of why the police dont work

Criminal:Give me your money, I have a gun and you dont

Victim;im calling the cops

Criminal shoots victim

Criminal gets away.

This all happens in about 15 seconds. you guys must have some SUPER fast cops to be able to get the phone call, process the information and get in the car and be there.

Bottom line is, cops arent much.

Criminal- give me your money

victim pulls out gun

criminal shoots victim

well at least the victim tried. better than sitting there and getting shot without trying.

anyway, you guys are oversimplifying the scenario. Its more like this:

*Burglar enters house, armed with an M16 and Grenade Launcher. This is America after all*

Burglar: give me your money! Ive got a big ass gun, and its my right to own it!
Victim: so do I! *pulls out an automatic shotgun* My husband got this little thing for home protection!
Burglar: and so this is how it ends? Very well, let us battle! *epic movie music ensues*
Victim: oh no, my house is destroyed and my dog is dead! *bang bang bang*
Burglar: this is about theft any more, its about pride and fatty american food! *boom crack bang*
Victim: blargh, I am deaded *dies*

*across the street, neighbors hear the commotion and, being in America, they go down to their 24-Hour gun store to get a gun which is both big, inexpensive, and given to them immediately. They then go back to the neighborhood*

Neighbors: oh no, the burglar killed our neighbor! Time for some old-fashioned American vigilante justice!
Dying Victim: a-a-a-a-avenge me! Like...in that movie....Red Dawn.
Neighbors: yes...YES! I WILL KILL THE BURGLAR!

*searches for burglar, goes to location*

Neighbor: you killed my neighbor, prepare to die *bang*
Burglar: oh noes! *dies after head explodes*

We must ban guns, things like this happen every day in America. Shame on our country for not taking responsibility away from the individual and babysitting them! Why doesnt America just make laws with a black and white mentality, without seeing if the good outweighs the bad. Even if there is a tiny bit of bad and a lot of good, the law should be made so there is no bad at all! We must keep reaching for a Utopia despite being an idealist dream and an impossible thing to acheive, no matter how many people we alienate along the way or rights we destroy.

joke??

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]But that very important point DOSENT seem to matter to anti gun people SolidSnake35

it matters because if you shoot someone with a legally acquired gun, you can and will be tracked.

well at least the victim tried. better than sitting there and getting shot without tryingmrbojangles25

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]But that very important point DOSENT seem to matter to anti gun people H8sMikeMoore

it matters because if you shoot someone with a legally acquired gun, you can and will be tracked.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]well at least the victim tried. better than sitting there and getting shot without tryingSolidSnake35

Yep I doubt they will shoot you unless their life is threatened

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]well at least the victim tried. better than sitting there and getting shot without tryingSolidSnake35

not true. in america, if you owe money you will probably be killed. hurt a lot first though.

the solution: legalize the trade and take the criminals out of the picture entirely.

problem solved, and everyone still has their guns.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]well at least the victim tried. better than sitting there and getting shot without tryingSolidSnake35

you really think that? that armed criminals are thinking about the presevation of life?

no, theyre thinking about A.) getting money, and B.) getting away with it.

Leaving a witness would seriously mess with part B.

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]But that very important point DOSENT seem to matter to anti gun people SolidSnake35

it matters because if you shoot someone with a legally acquired gun, you can and will be tracked.

it does in mine.

So I guess the question comes down to: are you better than me? Or should we live our own seperate lives?

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]well at least the victim tried. better than sitting there and getting shot without tryingalexmurray

Yep I doubt they will shoot you unless their life is threatened

well im glad you doubt it, i guess I dont have to worry!

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]well at least the victim tried. better than sitting there and getting shot without tryingH8sMikeMoore

not true. in america, if you owe money you will probably be killed. hurt a lot first though.

the solution: legalize the trade and take the criminals out of the picture entirely.

problem solved, and everyone still has their guns.

the gun debate is really getting annoying on here. most of u are little kids that don't understand anything about life and just think guns are evil. maybe when some of you have a family you would understand.

it doesn't matter what whether you think people should have guns or not. it's not up to you what your neighbor owns. each individual has the right to protect themselves...whether it be with a knife, bat, handgun, or m16. when someone breaks into your house, you can't rely on law enforcement because they will not get there on time. in case someone were to break into my house, i want an effective weapon to protect my wife. plain and simple.

there is no reason why we shouldn't be able to own a firearm. not one reason. it doesn't matter if people kill others with guns, it's just their tool, they are the one's acting. guns or no guns, they would do it. the only thing anti-gun people want to do is make it so they criminals alone can get guns. here's an idea, if you are anti-gun, they don't buy one. Brilliant!! but leave us who want to protect our families alone.

we find it reasonable. and its okay if you dont get it. but the sheer number of people just blatantly laughing at americans and not even listening is pretty disrespectful, especially considering most americans are very respectful to europeans.

the murder rate in our country is directly related to our drug and prostitution policy, not our gun rights policy. if you own a gun in this country that isnt illegal you arent getting away with it. But that very important point DOSENT seem to matter to anti gun people

H8sMikeMoore

You see, that's why I'll never suggest that the US government ban guns. I know that it's a part of your "culture" (so to speak), just like the liberalisation of drugs and prostitution is a part of the Netherland's (this is not meant to be a bad thing). I respect the fact that you Americans want to have the right to bear arms, and that's it's non of my business....I just don't want it here in the UK.

Again, whatever floats your boat, if the majority of Americans want to keep the second amendment...then no-one should ever interfere with it.