Abortion????

I'm only for it in very few circumstances.

But now I need to leave this thread before I get swept into a raging debate with a bunch of opinionated twelve-year-olds.

sorry I've been looking for an excuse to use this.

Anyway though personally I'm pro-life I believe as a nation we should support pro-choice. Those that want to get an abortion are going to get an abortion legal or not.

I do not condone abortions in females over the age of 18. Pregnancy in minors is an entirely different issue, I believe.

In my opinion, it really depends on the situation.

Rape resulting in child, the mother does have the choice.

Some girl who gets knocked up without taking proper precautions, No, you're going to have to go through the pain of pregnancy, pain of birth, and possibly the pain of giving your child up for adoption. Now you will think about all that before you have sex again, now wont you.

I know this isn't exactly on topic but I need to say this about my home country...

Its just frickin' stupid that we allow abortions but we don't allow Stem-Cell research to save people...

I used to think that abortion is totally wrong and should never be resorted to...no matter the period of time it is done.

But one of my friends convinced me that I may have had the wrong idea. She said that one shouldn't have to suffer for something one is not guilty of. Now if the girl was just stupid, didn't use protection, and went all the way....well, abortion really shouldn't be the way. If it's rape though....what can one do? And for me...it doesn't matter if it's one month, 3, or 9. It would still be killing an "opportunity life".

I'm pro choice within reason.zeus_gb

What does that mean?You're agaisnt mandatory abortions? :P

I am against abortion for most cases. My main problem with abortion is that we so arrogantly dictate what is and is not life.Choga

[QUOTE="zeus_gb"]I'm pro choice within reason.Sajo7

What does that mean?You're agaisnt mandatory abortions? :P

Within reason means, it's not a form of birth control and it should not be abused like it is at the minute. If the woman was raped then fine fair enough, if the baby has physical deformities then fine fair enough, if the pregenancy is a health risk to the mother than fine fair enough.

[QUOTE="Choga"]I am against abortion for most cases. My main problem with abortion is that we so arrogantly dictate what is and is not life.quiglythegreat

No, I believe "anyone who gets an abortion and is not raped or something" is generally irresponsible. Regarding abortion laws, the government arrogantly dictates which stage of human development is and is not considered life. I think we have no right to say who has a right to live, and who has a right to die based on their stage of development.

No, I believe "anyone who gets an abortion and is not raped or something" is generally irresponsible. Regarding abortion laws, the government arrogantly dictates which stage of human development is and is not considered life. I think we have no right to say who has a right to live, and who has a right to die based on their stage of development.

Choga

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Choga"]I am against abortion for most cases. My main problem with abortion is that we so arrogantly dictate what is and is not life.Choga

No, I believe "anyone who gets an abortion and is not raped or something" is generally irresponsible. Regarding abortion laws, the government arrogantly dictates which stage of human development is and is not considered life. I think we have no right to say who has a right to live, and who has a right to die based on their stage of development.

[QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Choga"]I am against abortion for most cases. My main problem with abortion is that we so arrogantly dictate what is and is not life.Erasorn

No, I believe "anyone who gets an abortion and is not raped or something" is generally irresponsible. Regarding abortion laws, the government arrogantly dictates which stage of human development is and is not considered life. I think we have no right to say who has a right to live, and who has a right to die based on their stage of development.

[QUOTE="Choga"]

No, I believe "anyone who gets an abortion and is not raped or something" is generally irresponsible. Regarding abortion laws, the government arrogantly dictates which stage of human development is and is not considered life. I think we have no right to say who has a right to live, and who has a right to die based on their stage of development.

quiglythegreat

Well a developing embryo/fetus ussually has distinct human characteristics, as well as its own unique set of DNA (46 chromosomes). Not only that, but the onset of an embryo's heartbeat happens at about 18 days. The onset of brain waves in a fetus happens at about 40 days. These are all pretty distinct human characteristics, which embryos/fetuses posses. And going by the logic that the government can dictate what is and is not life, then what is to stop the government from legalizing the "abortion" of say.....5 year-olds? 5 year-olds cannot comprehend simple algebra, which the vast majority of humans can, so why would it be wrong to say 5 year-olds are not human yet?

[QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Choga"]I am against abortion for most cases. My main problem with abortion is that we so arrogantly dictate what is and is not life.Erasorn

No, I believe "anyone who gets an abortion and is not raped or something" is generally irresponsible. Regarding abortion laws, the government arrogantly dictates which stage of human development is and is not considered life. I think we have no right to say who has a right to live, and who has a right to die based on their stage of development.

Well for one, sperm cells only have 23 chromosomes, and embryos have 46 (a very human characteristic), so that basically shoots down your whole arguement.

[QUOTE="Erasorn"][QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Choga"]I am against abortion for most cases. My main problem with abortion is that we so arrogantly dictate what is and is not life.Choga

No, I believe "anyone who gets an abortion and is not raped or something" is generally irresponsible. Regarding abortion laws, the government arrogantly dictates which stage of human development is and is not considered life. I think we have no right to say who has a right to live, and who has a right to die based on their stage of development.

Well for one, sperm cells only have 23 chromosomes, and embryos have 46 (a very human characteristic), so that basically shoots down your whole arguement.

[QUOTE="Erasorn"][QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Choga"]I am against abortion for most cases. My main problem with abortion is that we so arrogantly dictate what is and is not life.Choga

No, I believe "anyone who gets an abortion and is not raped or something" is generally irresponsible. Regarding abortion laws, the government arrogantly dictates which stage of human development is and is not considered life. I think we have no right to say who has a right to live, and who has a right to die based on their stage of development.

Well for one, sperm cells only have 23 chromosomes, and embryos have 46 (a very human characteristic), so that basically shoots down your whole arguement.

You're killing the potential for the potential... for the potential for life. MURDERER!

[QUOTE="Choga"][QUOTE="Erasorn"][QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Choga"]I am against abortion for most cases. My main problem with abortion is that we so arrogantly dictate what is and is not life.Erasorn

No, I believe "anyone who gets an abortion and is not raped or something" is generally irresponsible. Regarding abortion laws, the government arrogantly dictates which stage of human development is and is not considered life. I think we have no right to say who has a right to live, and who has a right to die based on their stage of development.

Well for one, sperm cells only have 23 chromosomes, and embryos have 46 (a very human characteristic), so that basically shoots down your whole arguement.

Do you even know what an embryo is? It is the fertilization of an EGG and SPERM, each with 23 chromosomes. 23+23 = 46

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Choga"]

No, I believe "anyone who gets an abortion and is not raped or something" is generally irresponsible. Regarding abortion laws, the government arrogantly dictates which stage of human development is and is not considered life. I think we have no right to say who has a right to live, and who has a right to die based on their stage of development.

Choga

Well a developing embryo/fetus ussually has distinct human characteristics, as well as its own unique set of DNA (46 chromosomes). Not only that, but the onset of an embryo's heartbeat happens at about 18 days. The onset of brain waves in a fetus happens at about 40 days. These are all pretty distinct human characteristics, which embryos/fetuses posses. And going by the logic that the government can dictate what is and is not life, then what is to stop the government from legalizing the "abortion" of say.....5 year-olds? 5 year-olds cannot comprehend simple algebra, which the vast majority of humans can, so why would it be wrong to say 5 year-olds are not human yet?

[QUOTE="Choga"][QUOTE="Erasorn"][QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Choga"]I am against abortion for most cases. My main problem with abortion is that we so arrogantly dictate what is and is not life.Dark__Link

No, I believe "anyone who gets an abortion and is not raped or something" is generally irresponsible. Regarding abortion laws, the government arrogantly dictates which stage of human development is and is not considered life. I think we have no right to say who has a right to live, and who has a right to die based on their stage of development.

Well for one, sperm cells only have 23 chromosomes, and embryos have 46 (a very human characteristic), so that basically shoots down your whole arguement.

You're killing the potential for the potential... for the potential for life. MURDERER!

Too bad sperm cells cannot develop into humans by themselves, while embryos can. Potential nothing. An embryo IS life from the moment it is fertilized.

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="Choga"][QUOTE="Erasorn"][QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Choga"]I am against abortion for most cases. My main problem with abortion is that we so arrogantly dictate what is and is not life.Choga

No, I believe "anyone who gets an abortion and is not raped or something" is generally irresponsible. Regarding abortion laws, the government arrogantly dictates which stage of human development is and is not considered life. I think we have no right to say who has a right to live, and who has a right to die based on their stage of development.

Well for one, sperm cells only have 23 chromosomes, and embryos have 46 (a very human characteristic), so that basically shoots down your whole arguement.

You're killing the potential for the potential... for the potential for life. MURDERER!

Too bad sperm cells cannot develop into humans by themselves, while embryos can. Potential nothing. An embryo IS life from the moment it is fertilized.

A sperm cell is the potential for an embryo, which is the potential for a fetus, which is the potential for a baby. You're still a monster.

[QUOTE="Choga"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Choga"]

No, I believe "anyone who gets an abortion and is not raped or something" is generally irresponsible. Regarding abortion laws, the government arrogantly dictates which stage of human development is and is not considered life. I think we have no right to say who has a right to live, and who has a right to die based on their stage of development.

quiglythegreat

Well a developing embryo/fetus ussually has distinct human characteristics, as well as its own unique set of DNA (46 chromosomes). Not only that, but the onset of an embryo's heartbeat happens at about 18 days. The onset of brain waves in a fetus happens at about 40 days. These are all pretty distinct human characteristics, which embryos/fetuses posses. And going by the logic that the government can dictate what is and is not life, then what is to stop the government from legalizing the "abortion" of say.....5 year-olds? 5 year-olds cannot comprehend simple algebra, which the vast majority of humans can, so why would it be wrong to say 5 year-olds are not human yet?

Medicine is on my side. No matter what you believe, sentience is NOT one of the defining characteristics of life. The defining characteristics of life are: Reproduction, Respiration, Regulation, Growth and Repair, Transport, Excretion, Nutrition, and Metabolism A fetus possesses all of these.

[QUOTE="Choga"][QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="Choga"][QUOTE="Erasorn"][QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Choga"]I am against abortion for most cases. My main problem with abortion is that we so arrogantly dictate what is and is not life.Dark__Link

No, I believe "anyone who gets an abortion and is not raped or something" is generally irresponsible. Regarding abortion laws, the government arrogantly dictates which stage of human development is and is not considered life. I think we have no right to say who has a right to live, and who has a right to die based on their stage of development.

Well for one, sperm cells only have 23 chromosomes, and embryos have 46 (a very human characteristic), so that basically shoots down your whole arguement.

You're killing the potential for the potential... for the potential for life. MURDERER!

Too bad sperm cells cannot develop into humans by themselves, while embryos can. Potential nothing. An embryo IS life from the moment it is fertilized.

A sperm cell is the potential for an embryo, which is the potential for a fetus, which is the potential for a baby. You're still a monster.

Potential means nothing. Nobody is arguing about POTENTIAL for life. A fetus IS life...period.

Medicine is on my side. No matter what you believe, sentience is NOT one of the defining characteristics of life. The defining characteristics of life are: Reproduction, Respiration, Regulation, Growth and Repair, Transport, Excretion, Nutrition, and Metabolism A fetus possesses all of these.

Choga

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="Choga"][QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="Choga"][QUOTE="Erasorn"][QUOTE="Choga"]

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Choga"]I am against abortion for most cases. My main problem with abortion is that we so arrogantly dictate what is and is not life.Choga

No, I believe "anyone who gets an abortion and is not raped or something" is generally irresponsible. Regarding abortion laws, the government arrogantly dictates which stage of human development is and is not considered life. I think we have no right to say who has a right to live, and who has a right to die based on their stage of development.

Well for one, sperm cells only have 23 chromosomes, and embryos have 46 (a very human characteristic), so that basically shoots down your whole arguement.

You're killing the potential for the potential... for the potential for life. MURDERER!

Too bad sperm cells cannot develop into humans by themselves, while embryos can. Potential nothing. An embryo IS life from the moment it is fertilized.

A sperm cell is the potential for an embryo, which is the potential for a fetus, which is the potential for a baby. You're still a monster.

Potential means nothing. Nobody is arguing about POTENTIAL for life. A fetus IS life...period.

Murderer.

Do you even know what an embryo is? It is the fertilization of an EGG and SPERM, each with 23 chromosomes. 23+23 = 46

Choga

I still don't see how killing sperm is less murder then killing embryos. Everyone one of them sperms could've turned into a cute little embryo.