Abortion: what do u think?

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#301 deeliman
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[QUOTE="deeliman"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

God didn't create you

lostrib

That's why I said supposedly....

Then stop bringing it up.  It's just asinine

Don't tell me what to do.
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#302 lostrib
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="deeliman"] That's why I said supposedly....deeliman

Then stop bringing it up.  It's just asinine

Don't tell me what to do.

or what?

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#303 deeliman
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[QUOTE="deeliman"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

Then stop bringing it up.  It's just asinine

lostrib

Don't tell me what to do.

or what?

I'll tell on you.
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#304 lostrib
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="deeliman"] Don't tell me what to do.deeliman

or what?

I'll tell on you.

okay

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#305 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="deeliman"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

or what?

lostrib

I'll tell on you.

okay

Well that de-escalated very quickly....
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#306 GreySeal9
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[QUOTE="nomsayin"]

 I wonder if all these women-loving, feminist pro-choicers would be cool with late term abortions (not just for health reasons only). After all, it's the women's body, and the big bad government should not be interfering with it. 

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I'm not a feminist by any stretch of imagination, in fact if you look back to find a thread about feminist issues you can be 100% sure I'll be posting in it to bash women-lovers, and I'm fine with late term abortions.

This has nothing to do with being women-lovers and everything to do with the fact that I consider a toddler's life worthless.

lol. You act like loving women is a bad thing. Did women call you ugly or something?

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#307 branketra
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[QUOTE="deeliman"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="deeliman"] The Christians do not necessarily believe that, otherwise they wouldn't believe in virgin Mary. And plenty of religious folks tell me I was created by god, yet he hasn't payed my mom any child support. So that means he is a dead beat father and therefore scum.

Uh no Christians believe in mom and dad. One specific incident does not mean they believe otherwise. How foolish. Second....you do know that if mom has custody she IS supporting that child.

It means that it should be possible for a child to be created without a father and mother, if you believe in that story of course. And second, I was talking about how god never payed my mom child support, even though he supposedly created me.

God is the father. Are you really telling people that God should abide by man's laws?
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#308 lostrib
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[QUOTE="deeliman"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Uh no Christians believe in mom and dad. One specific incident does not mean they believe otherwise. How foolish. Second....you do know that if mom has custody she IS supporting that child.BranKetra
It means that it should be possible for a child to be created without a father and mother, if you believe in that story of course. And second, I was talking about how god never payed my mom child support, even though he supposedly created me.

God is the father. Are you really telling people that God should abide by man's laws?

just let it go

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#309 deeliman
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="deeliman"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Uh no Christians believe in mom and dad. One specific incident does not mean they believe otherwise. How foolish. Second....you do know that if mom has custody she IS supporting that child.

It means that it should be possible for a child to be created without a father and mother, if you believe in that story of course. And second, I was talking about how god never payed my mom child support, even though he supposedly created me.

God is the father. Are you really telling people that God should abide by man's laws?

Just sayin' that god shouldn't be an asshole.
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#310 lostrib
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="deeliman"] It means that it should be possible for a child to be created without a father and mother, if you believe in that story of course. And second, I was talking about how god never payed my mom child support, even though he supposedly created me.deeliman
God is the father. Are you really telling people that God should abide by man's laws?

Just sayin' that god shouldn't be an asshole.

The guy who smites people and kills first born children shouldn't be an asshole?

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#311 deeliman
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[QUOTE="deeliman"][QUOTE="BranKetra"] God is the father. Are you really telling people that God should abide by man's laws?lostrib

Just sayin' that god shouldn't be an asshole.

The guy who smites people and kills first born children shouldn't be an asshole?

Yes. If he wasn't an asshole he wouldn't have done those things.
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#312 branketra
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I can tell this thread is going places I am not interested in.
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#313 deeliman
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I can tell this thread is going places I am not interested in.BranKetra
Then leave.
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#314 branketra
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"]I can tell this thread is going places I am not interested in.deeliman
Then leave.

Okay Bye
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#315 ninjastar
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I think 1st trimester abortions are fine, but not past that unless the mothers life is in danger. 

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#316 Optical_Order
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Overrated. 

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#317 GamerForca
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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] I know life isnt fair, that's why in my initial post I said that if we truly want equality and then i went on to explain my point of view. The law states that a man has to pay child support and if, God forbid, I ever have a child with a woman that I dont want, I will pay child support and do my part because that is what the law dictates. My point was that I do not believe the law is just in this regard and was just sharing my views on how it could be amended.II_Seraphim_II

Its a simple concept that keeps flying over your head, so let's break it down.

1) When a man has sex with a woman its implied consent to raise and help any child that may result from the sex.  This is why he is forced to pay child support by law.

2) Abortion is legal in this country as the bodily rights of the woman supersede that of the growing fetus/embryo.  This is why she can terminate the pregnancy if she chooses to, ITS HER BODY NOT THE GUYS.

Its fairly simple, the man has no say because its not his body, and he must pay child support because he consented to sex in the first place. If the man wants a say then he can come up with a way to take the fetus out of a woman and implant it in himself.  The fact that the fetus may have half his DNA is irrelevant. 

You know the way you broke it down did help. Thanks, while I do still feel its a bit unfair, I certainly now do realize the rationale behind the law and I can see where its coming from. Good post.

Shit, I had just made another thousand word post responding to you. Oh well. I am going to bring up one more point though. I know a single mother very well; she's a very good friend of mine and has been for years. I knew her in high school, and she was one of the most energetic girls in the school. She's 24 now, five years after having her child, and much of her energy has been drained (at 24 years old!). She rarely gets her due child support. All the money she could potentially make is cut by daycare (until this month, her girl is finally in school) and by the after school hours in which she must care for her kid and can't work. It sure isn't easy on her. If men were able to just walk away after offering to pay for an abortion... well, this situation ain't pretty. You can trust me on that one.
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#318 LJS9502_basic  Online
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="deeliman"] Just sayin' that god shouldn't be an asshole.deeliman

The guy who smites people and kills first born children shouldn't be an asshole?

Yes. If he wasn't an asshole he wouldn't have done those things.

You are so edgy and cool...your parents must be bursting.
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#319 deeliman
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[QUOTE="deeliman"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

The guy who smites people and kills first born children shouldn't be an asshole?

LJS9502_basic

Yes. If he wasn't an asshole he wouldn't have done those things.

You are so edgy and cool...your parents must be bursting.

I know right, how nice of you to admit that I am awesome.

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#320 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

Its a simple concept that keeps flying over your head, so let's break it down.

1) When a man has sex with a woman its implied consent to raise and help any child that may result from the sex.  This is why he is forced to pay child support by law.

2) Abortion is legal in this country as the bodily rights of the woman supersede that of the growing fetus/embryo.  This is why she can terminate the pregnancy if she chooses to, ITS HER BODY NOT THE GUYS.

Its fairly simple, the man has no say because its not his body, and he must pay child support because he consented to sex in the first place. If the man wants a say then he can come up with a way to take the fetus out of a woman and implant it in himself.  The fact that the fetus may have half his DNA is irrelevant. 

GamerForca
You know the way you broke it down did help. Thanks, while I do still feel its a bit unfair, I certainly now do realize the rationale behind the law and I can see where its coming from. Good post.

Shit, I had just made another thousand word post responding to you. Oh well. I am going to bring up one more point though. I know a single mother very well; she's a very good friend of mine and has been for years. I knew her in high school, and she was one of the most energetic girls in the school. She's 24 now, five years after having her child, and much of her energy has been drained (at 24 years old!). She rarely gets her due child support. All the money she could potentially make is cut by daycare (until this month, her girl is finally in school) and by the after school hours in which she must care for her kid and can't work. It sure isn't easy on her. If men were able to just walk away after offering to pay for an abortion... well, this situation ain't pretty. You can trust me on that one.

Yeah u guys made some good points. Im looking at my stance from a different perspective now :P
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="deeliman"] Yes. If he wasn't an asshole he wouldn't have done those things.deeliman

You are so edgy and cool...your parents must be bursting.

I know right, how nice of you to admit that I am awesome.

I don't see the word awesome in my post.....stay in school.
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#322 deeliman
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[QUOTE="deeliman"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You are so edgy and cool...your parents must be bursting.LJS9502_basic

I know right, how nice of you to admit that I am awesome.

I don't see the word awesome in my post.....stay in school.

Cool, awesome..... it's the same thing.
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#323 Mikey132
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="deeliman"] I'll tell on you.II_Seraphim_II

okay

Well that de-escalated very quickly....

That right there is classic grade one fighting!