Abortion: what do u think?

[QUOTE="coolkid93"]Anti unless it threatens the mothers life or the person was raped. Other than that, I don't like it, especially with certain other reasons. Even with protection, there's still a possibility of having a child but it's better than using none. Best bet is to not engage in sexual intercourse. Either do those options (first one is the best option) or deal with having one. It's not fair to take a baby's life because you didn't want one in the first place.lostrib

what if it's not a baby yet?

[QUOTE="Mikey132"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

what if it's not a baby yet?

lostrib

It's not fair to take a babies life.  It's also not fair to bring a baby into this world in it's state!  How ya like them apples?

In which state is it okay to bring a baby into the world? Also, what if it's not a baby yet?

On it not being a baby yet... I don't remember living in da womb.  When is a baby really a baby?  If you or anyone had of died when they were two years old, you couldn't understand where you really were, what you lost.  It might hurt but, you never had a clue anyway!

And I just don't think humans should reproduce anymore.  What's the ******* point?  Can you answer that question?  I sure can't.  I'll die happy knowing this universes will never let the likes of mankind succeed for eternity!

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[QUOTE="coolkid93"]Anti unless it threatens the mothers life or the person was raped. Other than that, I don't like it, especially with certain other reasons. Even with protection, there's still a possibility of having a child but it's better than using none. Best bet is to not engage in sexual intercourse. Either do those options (first one is the best option) or deal with having one. It's not fair to take a baby's life because you didn't want one in the first place.coolkid93

what if it's not a baby yet?

until it forms to a different stage, yes

[QUOTE="coolkid93"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

what if it's not a baby yet?

wis3boi

until it forms to a different stage, yes

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="coolkid93"] Let me ask you something. Do you think that it is just a bunch of cells that are bundled together?

coolkid93

until it forms to a different stage, yes

there's a pretty significant difference between the two

We all get the right to life from our creator. This means we have no right to "choose" who lives and dies, kill. No gray area. As simple as: right and wrong, up and down, black and white.LOXO7

not everyone believes that

We all get the right to life from our creator. This means we have no right to "choose" who lives and dies, kill. No gray area. As simple as: right and wrong, up and down, black and white.LOXO7

 So you're saying....  "**** Happens"  ?

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[QUOTE="coolkid93"] Let me ask you something. Do you think that it is just a bunch of cells that are bundled together?

coolkid93

until it forms to a different stage, yes

may I suggest a bio 101 course? Or are we going to go down to the path of "life begins at erection."?

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[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

until it forms to a different stage, yes

wis3boi

may I suggest a bio 101 course? Or are we going to go down to the path of "life begins at erection."?

Great way to prevent the creation of a massive underclass of socially and economically disadvantaged women and children.

Barbariser

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]There's more than just a semantic difference between a fetus that is less than a few months old, and a sentient, living child.deeliman

This poll shows just how lopsided gamespot's population is. Assuming most people here are American, a majority of Americans (51%) are prolife. Yet some how here this is only around 30% at best. 

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[QUOTE="mindstorm"] My nephew was born 3.5 months premature. Was it his birth that decided that he was a child? If a woman has a stillborn does that mean she should not mourn because it wasn't truly a living child to begin with? It's her choice wether she mourns or not. At what point is a human simply tissue and at what point is this truly a person? To answer this question, we must first ask, what determons if something is alive or not? Life is a characteristic that distinguishes objects that have signaling and self-sustaining processes from those that do not. A fetus can't sustain itself and is dependant on her mother's body to survive, and cannot survive outside of it. So the answer is, when it is able to survive outside of the mother's body. Is it that one moment this unborn child is a legal choice to be killed and not an hour later an illegal murder? Who is to decide when the unborn is to be protected? All should have a right to life, young or old.BranKetra

This poll shows just how lopsided gamespot's population is. Assuming most people here are American, a majority of Americans (51%) are prolife. Yet some how here this is only around 30% at best. 

peter1191

[QUOTE="coolkid93"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

until it forms to a different stage, yes

lostrib

there's a pretty significant difference between the two

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="coolkid93"] Ok then. IMO I'd say that even when you are a fully grown adult, you're still a bunch of cells. I look at it as another human but without all of the parts  that a fully developed person would have.

coolkid93

there's a pretty significant difference between the two

Then perhaps you should take a biology course

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

[QUOTE="deeliman"]

deeliman

If you were using it to classify a human fetus as a parasite which I have heard seriously argued before then you would be wrong.

[QUOTE="deeliman"][QUOTE="BranKetra"] Please learn what a parasite is then come back and talk about forms of life.

BranKetra

If you were using it to classify a human fetus as a parasite which I have heard seriously argued before then you would be wrong.

Pro abortion. I hate babies.

I am definitively repulsed by the concept of genocide. Murder millions of adults and it's considered genocide. Murder millions of children and it's considered pro-choice. I see no difference.mindstorm

[QUOTE="Barbariser"]

Great way to prevent the creation of a massive underclass of socially and economically disadvantaged women and children.

Randolph

[QUOTE="deeliman"][QUOTE="BranKetra"] Please learn what a parasite is then come back and talk about forms of life.

BranKetra

If you were using it to classify a human fetus as a parasite which I have heard seriously argued before then you would be wrong.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]I am definitively repulsed by the concept of genocide. Murder millions of adults and it's considered genocide. Murder millions of children and it's considered pro-choice. I see no difference.foxhound_fox

There's even potential life in my arousal

[QUOTE="Barbariser"]

Great way to prevent the creation of a massive underclass of socially and economically disadvantaged women and children.

Randolph

Neither. Only the woman should decide what she wants to do with something growing in her body. /threadleeveeu

[QUOTE="leeveeu"]Neither. Only the woman should decide what she wants to do with something growing in her body. /threadhiphops_savior

[QUOTE="leeveeu"]Neither. Only the woman should decide what she wants to do with something growing in her body. /threadhiphops_savior

[QUOTE="leeveeu"]Neither. Only the woman should decide what she wants to do with something growing in her body. /threadhiphops_savior

I find it hypocritical for politicians to say they believe that life starts at conception and they are morally opposed to abortion, but they vote against legal restrictions on abortion because they don't want to "force" their beliefs on others, yet at the same time they support anti-discrimination laws and laws requiring people to purchase health-insurance (and laws requiring people to purchase health-insurance that covers certain kinds of "benefits").

[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"]

I don't care.

liberalus

I find it hypocritical for politicians to say they believe that life starts at conception and they are morally opposed to abortion, but they vote against legal restrictions on abortion because they don't want to "force" their beliefs on others, yet at the same time they support anti-discrimination laws and laws requiring people to purchase health-insurance (and laws requiring people to purchase health-insurance that covers certain kinds of "benefits").

whipassmt

[QUOTE="hiphops_savior"][QUOTE="leeveeu"]Neither. Only the woman should decide what she wants to do with something growing in her body. /threadEngrish_Major

I find it hypocritical for politicians to say they believe that life starts at conception and they are morally opposed to abortion, but they vote against legal restrictions on abortion because they don't want to "force" their beliefs on others, yet at the same time they support anti-discrimination laws and laws requiring people to purchase health-insurance (and laws requiring people to purchase health-insurance that covers certain kinds of "benefits").

whipassmt

You shouldn't be surprised at the hypocrisy of politicians. Their "beliefs" suit not only their constituents, but the political headwinds. The greatest hypocrisy in my mind is to be "pro-life" but to support capital punishment. Many people would argue to the ends of the world that the life of a fetus is far more important than a convicted criminal, but I don't completely agree. A fetus could turn out to be a criminal in the future, and a criminal can possibly be rehabilitated.

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

I find it hypocritical for politicians to say they believe that life starts at conception and they are morally opposed to abortion, but they vote against legal restrictions on abortion because they don't want to "force" their beliefs on others, yet at the same time they support anti-discrimination laws and laws requiring people to purchase health-insurance (and laws requiring people to purchase health-insurance that covers certain kinds of "benefits").

Aljosa23

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

I find it hypocritical for politicians to say they believe that life starts at conception and they are morally opposed to abortion, but they vote against legal restrictions on abortion because they don't want to "force" their beliefs on others, yet at the same time they support anti-discrimination laws and laws requiring people to purchase health-insurance (and laws requiring people to purchase health-insurance that covers certain kinds of "benefits").

jimkabrhel

You shouldn't be surprised at the hypocrisy of politicians. Their "beliefs" suit not only their constituents, but the political headwinds. The greatest hypocrisy in my mind is to be "pro-life" but to support capital punishment. Many people would argue to the ends of the world that the life of a fetus is far more important than a convicted criminal, but I don't completely agree. A fetus could turn out to be a criminal in the future, and a criminal can possibly be rehabilitated.

Pro-life.

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

I find it hypocritical for politicians to say they believe that life starts at conception and they are morally opposed to abortion, but they vote against legal restrictions on abortion because they don't want to "force" their beliefs on others, yet at the same time they support anti-discrimination laws and laws requiring people to purchase health-insurance (and laws requiring people to purchase health-insurance that covers certain kinds of "benefits").

whipassmt

You shouldn't be surprised at the hypocrisy of politicians. Their "beliefs" suit not only their constituents, but the political headwinds. The greatest hypocrisy in my mind is to be "pro-life" but to support capital punishment. Many people would argue to the ends of the world that the life of a fetus is far more important than a convicted criminal, but I don't completely agree. A fetus could turn out to be a criminal in the future, and a criminal can possibly be rehabilitated.

While I agree that methods for late-term abortion are horrible in print and in practice, less than 2-percent of abortions are done after 20-weeks, and the numbers on how many of those are medically necessary are varied, but not insignificant. Late-term aboritions should be limited, but available to those who need them.

I think it's fallacious for the pro-lifers in this thread to assume that pro-choice means that we advocating wide-spread use of abortion to terminate pregnancies haphazardly. That isn't the case. Making aborition early in pregnancy safe and available doesn't mean you cannot advocate for using adoption and other methods for dealing with an unwanted pregnancy.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="hiphops_savior"] What if the woman is carrying your child? One half of the chromosomes came from your body. You have as much to say as the woman, especially if you wish to keep the child or give him/her away for adoption. Either that or you are avoiding responsibility as a father.whipassmt

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

You shouldn't be surprised at the hypocrisy of politicians. Their "beliefs" suit not only their constituents, but the political headwinds. The greatest hypocrisy in my mind is to be "pro-life" but to support capital punishment. Many people would argue to the ends of the world that the life of a fetus is far more important than a convicted criminal, but I don't completely agree. A fetus could turn out to be a criminal in the future, and a criminal can possibly be rehabilitated.

jimkabrhel

While I agree that methods for late-term abortion are horrible in print and in practice, less than 2-percent of abortions are done after 20-weeks, and the numbers on how many of those are medically necessary are varied, but not insignificant. Late-term aboritions should be limited, but available to those who need them.

I think it's fallacious for the pro-lifers in this thread to assume that pro-choice means that we advocating wide-spread use of abortion to terminate pregnancies haphazardly. That isn't the case. Making aborition early in pregnancy safe and available doesn't mean you cannot advocate for using adoption and other methods for dealing with an unwanted pregnancy.

What are your thoughts about the Born-Alive Infant Protection Act, a federal law (and also state law in some states, including Florida where it recently passed the legislature, unanimously despite the opposition of a lobbyist representing Planned Parenthood), that states that fetus which are born after a failed abortion attempt must be given the same protections and medical care that would be given to a premature infant of the same age (i.e. the abortionist can't kill it after its born or leave it to die)?

you're back to your old avy now? And why wouldn't it be hypocritical, aren't such laws that the person supports also "forcing their beliefs" on others? What is a bigger deal, denying a fetus his life or denying two lesbians a damn cake?

whipassmt

I've yet to see you explain your issue with anti-discrimination laws. And don't sugarcoat it, please.

We need more dead babies, pro-abortion.

Defiantly not. If you can find a way for the embryo to develop and gestate inside a male's body, then go ahead. HoolaHoopMan

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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]The male certainly does not have as much say as the woman. If she does not wish to carry out a pregnancy, she can get an abortion, regardless of his wishes. Converseley, if she does want to carry it out, but the man does not want a child, he cannot force her to abort the fetus.deeliman

[QUOTE="deeliman"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] So essentially he has no vote. A more fair way would be to have it were the man has the right to prevent the abortion, but not the right to force it. This way he gets a definite say but he can only use it one direction.GamerForca

[QUOTE="deeliman"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] So essentially he has no vote. A more fair way would be to have it were the man has the right to prevent the abortion, but not the right to force it. This way he gets a definite say but he can only use it one direction.

GamerForca