Afghan Militants Massacre People in UN HQ after Terry Jones Quran Burning.

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According to Times, "The first thing that you need to know about the massacre of 12 people that took place in Afghanistan today is that Mazar-e-Sharif is not a particularly radical town. It is not Pashtun, it is not Taliban."

The dead included at least seven United Nations workers — four Nepalese guards and three Europeans from Romania, Sweden and Norway — according to United Nations officials in New York. One was a woman. Early reports, later denied by Afghan officials, said that at least two of the dead had been beheaded. Five Afghans were also killed.

Madness!! At least 12 people who weren't even related to him died for nothing.

Edit: Some posters seem have gotten the idea that I'm trying to take the blame off the terrorists; I'm not.

Thanks for proving terry jones correct.

Thanks for proving terry jones correct.

Espada12

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Thanks for proving terry jones correct.

Nibroc420

How did I make a generalization?

Can't blame Terry Jones thats just dumb! I don't care if he burned the Quaran, muslims need to get over it, like really lets kill 7 people who have nothing to do with this, because were mad someone burned a book we really care about. A bunch of immature babies whoever protested and caused the deaths of these people.

Can't blame Terry Jones thats just dumb! I don't care if he burned the Quaran, muslims need to get over it, like really lets kill 7 people who have nothing to do with this, because were mad someone burned a book we really care about. A bunch of immature babies whoever protested and caused the deaths of these people.

RAGINGxPONY

Burning the Quran means nothing. Muslims themselves burn the Quran when it is damaged out of respect.

[QUOTE="RAGINGxPONY"]

Can't blame Terry Jones thats just dumb! I don't care if he burned the Quaran, muslims need to get over it, like really lets kill 7 people who have nothing to do with this, because were mad someone burned a book we really care about. A bunch of immature babies whoever protested and caused the deaths of these people.

th3warr1or

Yeah so they just proved his point pretty much.

Burning the Quran means nothing. Muslims themselves burn the Quran when it is damaged out of respect.

TehFuneral

EDIT: Nevermind, looks like the dude wanted this... "In an appalling eight-minute video posted online, Jones appeared dressed as a judge presiding over a five-hour mock trial of the Koran."

Another situation where religious matters take another life. Who's surprised? not me.

[QUOTE="RAGINGxPONY"]

Can't blame Terry Jones thats just dumb! I don't care if he burned the Quaran, muslims need to get over it, like really lets kill 7 people who have nothing to do with this, because were mad someone burned a book we really care about. A bunch of immature babies whoever protested and caused the deaths of these people.

th3warr1or

Everyone knows people would kill random foreigners if a random guy burns copies of their religious text.

I don't really know the entire story behind Terry Jones but if he wants to burn the Quran then he has the freedom to do so. It's not his fault that innocent people died, it's the religious extremists faults for being disgusting barbaric animals.

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="RAGINGxPONY"]

Can't blame Terry Jones thats just dumb! I don't care if he burned the Quaran, muslims need to get over it, like really lets kill 7 people who have nothing to do with this, because were mad someone burned a book we really care about. A bunch of immature babies whoever protested and caused the deaths of these people.

Espada12

Everyone knows people would kill random foreigners if a random guy burns copies of their religious text.

Solution: Burn religious texts to inspire terrorists.

I don't really know the entire story behind Terry Jones but if he wants to burn the Quran then he has the freedom to do so. It's not his fault that innocent people died, it's the religious extremists faults for being disgusting barbaric animals.

XileLord

Terry Jones did it claiming that this would happen. The man is despicable.

The only thing I hate in this world is acts of ignorance and cruelty fuelled by religion. And I mean hate as in true hate.

The Taliban are claiming responsibility, with some people claiming they used the protests as cover to attack the UN, or that they riled up the crowds themselves to attack the UN.

Still, despite12 deaths, I do not hold Terry Jones fully responsible. To do that skirts the issue entirely. I hold the easily provoked religious views responsible.

Solution: Burn religious texts to inspire terrorists.

coolbeans90

If they are a terrorist they are already inspired. I don't see why his right to burn the books should be infringed just because someone continents away from him will get mad. They only proved his point, these people aren't taliban, they aren't terrorists, they are random people who killed other random people because they were mad a guy continents away burned a copy of a book they cherish. They make Islam look like a violent religion, something muslims in America and everywhere else have been trying to avoid. Why must these select group of muslims constantly give people like Terry Jones fuel to continue their anti-muslim propaganda?

I bet a bible burning could happen and guess what? No one is going to get decapitated over it.

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

Burning the Quran means nothing. Muslims themselves burn the Quran when it is damaged out of respect.

Nibroc420

EDIT: Nevermind, looks like the dude wanted this... "In an appalling eight-minute video posted online, Jones appeared dressed as a judge presiding over a five-hour mock trial of the Koran."

Another situation where religious matters take another life. Who's surprised? not me.

It is idiotic, and it undoubtlly will fuel anger from the other side. His act was not considered friendly in our world and it is only natural for violence to rise.

Killing innocent people is forbidden, As a muslim, i condemn the acts of killing innocent people.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

Burning the Quran means nothing. Muslims themselves burn the Quran when it is damaged out of respect.

TehFuneral

EDIT: Nevermind, looks like the dude wanted this... "In an appalling eight-minute video posted online, Jones appeared dressed as a judge presiding over a five-hour mock trial of the Koran."

Another situation where religious matters take another life. Who's surprised? not me.

It is idiotic, and it undoubtlly will fuel anger from the other side. His act was not considered friendly in our world and it is only natural for violence to rise.

Killing innocent people is forbidden, As a muslim, i condemn the acts of killing innocent people.

Yes, but in a world without religion. One wouldn't have any "Sacred book" which when you burn it it means we should all freak out and go on some rampage.

No-one cares if i burn "Goldilocks and the 3 bears" I dont see how the Quran is any different, then again i dont believe in "Sacred books"

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

Burning the Quran means nothing. Muslims themselves burn the Quran when it is damaged out of respect.

TehFuneral

EDIT: Nevermind, looks like the dude wanted this... "In an appalling eight-minute video posted online, Jones appeared dressed as a judge presiding over a five-hour mock trial of the Koran."

Another situation where religious matters take another life. Who's surprised? not me.

It is idiotic, and it undoubtlly will fuel anger from the other side. His act was not considered friendly in our world and it is only natural for violence to rise.

Killing innocent people is forbidden, As a muslim, i condemn the acts of killing innocent people.

That's wrong, and maybe you guys need to do something about it, because it shouldn't be natural for violence to rise just because someone burned your book.

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] But burning a new one out of disrespect is idiotic. However I'd like to know HOW they found out about this so quickly. Book gets burned in Florida, and somehow the Afghan people found out? Who told them?!

EDIT: Nevermind, looks like the dude wanted this... "In an appalling eight-minute video posted online, Jones appeared dressed as a judge presiding over a five-hour mock trial of the Koran."

Another situation where religious matters take another life. Who's surprised? not me.

RAGINGxPONY

It is idiotic, and it undoubtlly will fuel anger from the other side. His act was not considered friendly in our world and it is only natural for violence to rise.

Killing innocent people is forbidden, As a muslim, i condemn the acts of killing innocent people.

That's wrong, and maybe you guys need to do something about it, because it shouldn't be natural for violence to rise just because someone burned your book.

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] But burning a new one out of disrespect is idiotic. However I'd like to know HOW they found out about this so quickly. Book gets burned in Florida, and somehow the Afghan people found out? Who told them?!

EDIT: Nevermind, looks like the dude wanted this... "In an appalling eight-minute video posted online, Jones appeared dressed as a judge presiding over a five-hour mock trial of the Koran."

Another situation where religious matters take another life. Who's surprised? not me.

RAGINGxPONY

It is idiotic, and it undoubtlly will fuel anger from the other side. His act was not considered friendly in our world and it is only natural for violence to rise.

Killing innocent people is forbidden, As a muslim, i condemn the acts of killing innocent people.

That's wrong, and maybe you guys need to do something about it, because it shouldn't be natural for violence to rise just because someone burned your book.

As i said before, burning the Quran is a sign of discourtsey and enmity. It raises hatred and therefore undirectly and wrongfully - violence. I also said before burning the Quran does not mean anything. It does not shake us. People should not kill and blood should not be shed because of it. Sadly, it does.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Solution: Burn religious texts to inspire terrorists.

Espada12

If they are a terrorist they are already inspired. I don't see why his right to burn the books should be infringed just because someone continents away from him will get mad. They only proved his point, these people aren't taliban, they aren't terrorists, they are random people who killed other random people because they were mad a guy continents away burned a copy of a book they cherish. They make Islam look like a violent religion, something muslims in America and everywhere else have been trying to avoid. Why must these select group of muslims constantly give people like Terry Jones fuel to continue their anti-muslim propaganda?

I bet a bible burning could happen and guess what? No one is going to get decapitated over it.

If they were already inspired to commit these actions, he didn't make a point as the status-quo was left unchanged. I'm not saying that the right to burn a book should be taken away by any means, I'm just saying that the man is a complete asshat for deliberately causing violent reactions upon innocent people, regardless of the absurdity of the motives of the terrorists.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Solution: Burn religious texts to inspire terrorists.

coolbeans90

If they are a terrorist they are already inspired. I don't see why his right to burn the books should be infringed just because someone continents away from him will get mad. They only proved his point, these people aren't taliban, they aren't terrorists, they are random people who killed other random people because they were mad a guy continents away burned a copy of a book they cherish. They make Islam look like a violent religion, something muslims in America and everywhere else have been trying to avoid. Why must these select group of muslims constantly give people like Terry Jones fuel to continue their anti-muslim propaganda?

I bet a bible burning could happen and guess what? No one is going to get decapitated over it.

If they were already inspired to commit these actions, he didn't make a point as the status-quo was left unchanged. I'm not saying that the right to burn a book should be taken away by any means, I'm just saying that the man is a complete asshat for deliberately causing violent reactions upon innocent people, regardless of the absurdity of the motives of the terrorists.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

If they are a terrorist they are already inspired. I don't see why his right to burn the books should be infringed just because someone continents away from him will get mad. They only proved his point, these people aren't taliban, they aren't terrorists, they are random people who killed other random people because they were mad a guy continents away burned a copy of a book they cherish. They make Islam look like a violent religion, something muslims in America and everywhere else have been trying to avoid. Why must these select group of muslims constantly give people like Terry Jones fuel to continue their anti-muslim propaganda?

I bet a bible burning could happen and guess what? No one is going to get decapitated over it.

Nibroc420

If they were already inspired to commit these actions, he didn't make a point as the status-quo was left unchanged. I'm not saying that the right to burn a book should be taken away by any means, I'm just saying that the man is a complete asshat for deliberately causing violent reactions upon innocent people, regardless of the absurdity of the motives of the terrorists.

I think there was some common ground in the violence/power thread as well. =P

If they were already inspired to commit these actions, he didn't make a point as the status-quo was left unchanged. I'm not saying that the right to burn a book should be taken away by any means, I'm just saying that the man is a complete asshat for deliberately causing violent reactions upon innocent people, regardless of the absurdity of the motives of the terrorists.

coolbeans90

While that is true, ultimately the blame rests on the shoulders of the new found extremists rather than his. I place blame where blame is deserved, terry jones did not kill those people.

[QUOTE="RAGINGxPONY"]

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

It is idiotic, and it undoubtlly will fuel anger from the other side. His act was not considered friendly in our world and it is only natural for violence to rise.

Killing innocent people is forbidden, As a muslim, i condemn the acts of killing innocent people.

Nibroc420

That's wrong, and maybe you guys need to do something about it, because it shouldn't be natural for violence to rise just because someone burned your book.

No i'm not kidding. It's immature, childish and stupid as **** to go kill innocent people because your upset that someone half way around the world burned your holy book. And the protesters are dumb as **** aswell IMO, because it's not like the president of america burned the Quaran it was just some random pastor who hates Islam, but no they gotta go around chanting death to america and acting like a bunch of babies. Lol there a bunch of idiots thats what they are IMO.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

If they were already inspired to commit these actions, he didn't make a point as the status-quo was left unchanged. I'm not saying that the right to burn a book should be taken away by any means, I'm just saying that the man is a complete asshat for deliberately causing violent reactions upon innocent people, regardless of the absurdity of the motives of the terrorists.

Espada12

While that is true, ultimately the blame rests on the shoulders of the new found extremists rather than his. I place blame where blame is deserved, terry jones did not kill those people.

Blame need not necessarily lay on a single party. Yeah, the extremists actually killed people. Terry Jones intentionally motivated them. Of course those who actually commit the crime are more culpable, and it's unfortunate that burning a religious text can incite this sort of travesty. Nevertheless, Terry Jones, had he not chosen to burn the Qu'ran with in mind that people would die as a result, would have not needlessly cost those lives. He was in essence a perpetraitor.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="RAGINGxPONY"]

That's wrong, and maybe you guys need to do something about it, because it shouldn't be natural for violence to rise just because someone burned your book.

RAGINGxPONY

No i'm not kidding. It's immature, childish and stupid as **** to go kill innocent people because your upset that someone half way around the world burned your holy book. And the protesters are dumb as **** aswell IMO, because it's not like the president of america burned the Quaran it was just some random pastor who hates Islam, but no they gotta go around chanting death to america and acting like a bunch of babies. Lol there a bunch of idiots thats what they are IMO.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

If they were already inspired to commit these actions, he didn't make a point as the status-quo was left unchanged. I'm not saying that the right to burn a book should be taken away by any means, I'm just saying that the man is a complete asshat for deliberately causing violent reactions upon innocent people, regardless of the absurdity of the motives of the terrorists.

coolbeans90

While that is true, ultimately the blame rests on the shoulders of the new found extremists rather than his. I place blame where blame is deserved, terry jones did not kill those people.

Blame need not necessarily lay on a single party. Yeah, the extremists actually killed people. Terry Jones intentionally motivated them. Of course those who actually commit the crime are more culpable, and it's unfortunate that burning a religious text can incite this sort of travesty. Nevertheless, Terry Jones, had he not chosen to burn the Qu'ran with in mind that people would die as a result, would have not needlessly cost those lives. He was in essence a perpetraitor.

Regardless of that there's still the terrible lingering thought that quite a few muslims (not saying all or even alot here) have the mentality of "don't do anything that angers me or I'll kill people". Which once again portrays islam as violent. I have many muslim friends and when things like this happen they can't do anything but sigh. Fortunately we are more accepting here than many other places, so we don't take it on but you can see how the perception that Islam is violent can be had.

I guess they couldn't find any Americans that weren't heavily armed.

Wow.. F*** you Terry Jones.

th3warr1or

I was thinking more, "F*** the Muslims who killed those people."

Burning the Quran means nothing. Muslims themselves burn the Quran when it is damaged out of respect.

TehFuneral

Same thing with American flags. People still get pissed about that, though. You gotta burn things a certain way.

[QUOTE="RAGINGxPONY"]

Nibroc420

I agree Terry Jones is an idiot for sure. But what makes me so outraged is the fact that people actually take this idiot seriously and protest and cause deaths over it. I can see if it was the President of America who went on TV and burned the Quaran, but no it's just some random pastor who wanted attention and got it. So basically if any random person burns the quaran muslims are going to have to protest over it? Ridiculous!

There are extremists everywhere in life; Terry Jones himself is an extremist. I don't think he can be blamed for it solely, clearly those who decided to rampage and kill several UN workers are mainly to blame. What was to accomplish from killing them? Oh they're white and non-muslim, lets take it out on them. Not very logical.However, burning the Koran is very disrespectful and was obviously going to provoke action so some blame lies with him.

The problem with religion is it incites most world conflicts to some degree and thus i'd say it causes more problems than benefits but at the same time it's important to people. I'm not religious, i don't consider myself religious but i've founded my morals on religion.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="RAGINGxPONY"]

RAGINGxPONY

I agree Terry Jones is an idiot for sure. But what makes me so outraged is the fact that people actually take this idiot seriously and protest and cause deaths over it. I can see if it was the President of America who went on TV and burned the Quaran, but no it's just some random pastor who wanted attention and got it. So basically if any random person burns the quaran muslims are going to have to protest over it? Ridiculous!

I think what's worse is that the president of afghanistan and the highest religious person in the country brought up the terry jones subject (thus alerting the public) and called for him to be prosecuted.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

While that is true, ultimately the blame rests on the shoulders of the new found extremists rather than his. I place blame where blame is deserved, terry jones did not kill those people.

Espada12

Blame need not necessarily lay on a single party. Yeah, the extremists actually killed people. Terry Jones intentionally motivated them. Of course those who actually commit the crime are more culpable, and it's unfortunate that burning a religious text can incite this sort of travesty. Nevertheless, Terry Jones, had he not chosen to burn the Qu'ran with in mind that people would die as a result, would have not needlessly cost those lives. He was in essence a perpetraitor.

Regardless of that there's still the terrible lingering thought that quite a few muslims (not saying all or even alot here) have the mentality of "don't do anything that angers me or I'll kill people". Which once again portrays islam as violent. I have many muslim friends and when things like this happen they can't do anything but sigh. Fortunately we are more accepting here than many other places, so we don't take it on but you can see how the perception that Islam is violent can be had.

There are some Islamic extremists who are quite easily butthurt, and that is unfortunate. No disagreement there.

...the president of afghanistan and the highest religious person in the country brought up the terry jones subject...and called for him to be prosecuted.

Espada12

Huh? In America? On what basis?

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="RAGINGxPONY"]

RAGINGxPONY

I agree Terry Jones is an idiot for sure. But what makes me so outraged is the fact that people actually take this idiot seriously and protest and cause deaths over it. I can see if it was the President of America who went on TV and burned the Quaran, but no it's just some random pastor who wanted attention and got it. So basically if any random person burns the quaran muslims are going to have to protest over it? Ridiculous!

Terry jones decided it wasn't respectful to do it around 9/11 but now it seems it was just postponed. Obviously the people who attacked the UN workers are at fault, they seriously over-reacted. However Terry Jones was made aware that this could happen if he decided to burn it, and yet he chose to anyways.

If doing X will ultimately cause Y reaction, and Y = people dying. Then what kind of idiot goes out and decides to do X?

EDIT: Terry Jones decided it was a good idea to broadcast this online for everyone to see. If He had done it just in his backyard, i'm sure the people in Afghganistan wouldn't have known. It was broadcast for a reason, and it wasn't the best reason.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

...the president of afghanistan and the highest religious person in the country brought up the terry jones subject...and called for him to be prosecuted.

Palantas

Huh? In America? On what basis?

"He angered us" is pretty much the only basis I got from that. It's in the video on the third link.

If doing X will ultimately cause Y reaction, and Y = people dying. Then what kind of idiot goes out and decides to do X?

Nibroc420

X didn't cause Y in any practical sense. A bunch of people decided to do Y. They weren't tricked into Y, or coerced into Y, or paid to do Y. They decided to do it on their own reason with their own means.

EDIT: Terry Jones decided it was a good idea to broadcast this online for everyone to see. If He had done it just in his backyard, i'm sure the people in Afghganistan wouldn't have known. It was broadcast for a reason, and it wasn't the best reason.

Nibroc420

You sure about that? In the third link of that article here's a funny tidbit.

"The year before, a one-paragraph item inNewsweekalleging that guards at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, had flushed a Koran down the toilet set off three days of riots that left 14 people dead in Afghanistan."

It sickens me how people are so afraid of Islam. While I have no respect for Terry Jones, and personally I think he is scum, he has the right to burn a Quran just like any other holy book can be defaced and destroyed in the US. It is ridiculous how Islam is made out to be such an untouchable religion._Doomsayer_

Yeah, "untouchable" in the sense that you should cave in to terrorism and do what extremists want, like some people in this thread are suggesting. On that note, in the interest of not bending over to terrorism, I present my drawing of the prophet Muhammed:

Oh, I had to block out most of it, because when I posted it without the "Censored," I got moderated.

Oh, I had to block out most of it, because when I posted it without the "Censored," I got moderated.

Palantas

I dont get your point here?

its not like OT or the gamespot forums have rules. I am sure you could have posted this on another website.

Who Is Terry Jones?

[QUOTE="_Doomsayer_"]It sickens me how people are so afraid of Islam. While I have no respect for Terry Jones, and personally I think he is scum, he has the right to burn a Quran just like any other holy book can be defaced and destroyed in the US. It is ridiculous how Islam is made out to be such an untouchable religion.Palantas

Yeah, "untouchable" in the sense that you should cave in to terrorism and do what extremists want, like some people in this thread are suggesting. On that note, in the interest of not bending over to terrorism, I present my drawing of the prophet Muhammed:

Oh, I had to block out most of it, because when I posted it without the "Censored," I got moderated.

I think what terrorists want more than anything is for ignorant Americans to keep doing things like burning a Koran so that they can keep spewing their propaganda and recruiting people to their cause with examples of such behavior. This isn't about doing what you want, this about having at least a minimal level of respect for a religion and having the common sense to know that if you provoke people simply out of hatred and ignorance that they will probably respond in kind. Did the Koran really need to be burned? What would have happened if it had not been burned? Nothing, no speech that wasn't already out there would have been repressed, there would have been no killings, everybody would have been fine and happy. Terry Jones did this simply to provoke, well congratualtions, he provoked.

Wait for it...wait for it... Both sides are idiots. What a tweest.Ace6301

I dont get your point here? its not like OT or the gamespot forums have rules. I am sure you could have posted this on another website.

Led_poison

Looks like we'll get along great, 'cause I don't understand a thing in your post:

1. Are you asking me if you don't get my point?
2. The GameSpot forums do have rules.
3. Yes, I could have posted that on other websites. Obviously.

I'm entirely unclear as to what your point is, and what you're wanting from me.