Alright Skeptics.. Debunk NASA Astronauts.

The UFO phenomenon has drawn ire and skepticism from many.. I dare say most. However, there are many cases that have been unexplained, or can seemingly only be explained by the idea that either aliens from another planet or interdimensional beings are responsible. These objects often exhibit flight characteristics that can only be explained by intelligent control, but far above the capabilities of man-made craft. Indeed.. if humans had the type of technology that has been demonstrated by UFOs for at minimum 65 years, we would surely be using such technology in commercial or open military ventures. Some of the most credible witnesses to such events are military personnel, commercial pilots, FAA officials, policemen, and all sorts of former skeptics. However, there is one type of witness that might rank above all of these in terms of credibility. Astronauts. Check out what some of the most credible human beings on Earth (when it comes to flying objects) have experienced, and what they had to say about it-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlkV1ybBnHI&feature=feedrec - Buzz Aldrin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPR8T1o3Dc&feature=related - Gordon Cooper

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkBhME9RCjc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5upFvipUAXs&feature=related- Edgar Mitchell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlOZtfy0MwY&feature=related

Hope you enjoyed that.

It's all a government cover up.

INb4 35 pages of that funny haired tanned guy.

No life anywhere but here

Who honestly has argued that UFO's don't exist?Ace6301

People that never look up is my guess.

Who honestly has argued that UFO's don't exist?Ace6301

The issue is that there are NASA astronauts who have seen these things firsthand and looked at the evidence, and believe that they must be alien craft. They've looked at the possibilities, and that's the only explanation.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]Who honestly has argued that UFO's don't exist?hartsickdiscipl

The issue is that there are NASA astronauts who have seen these things firsthand and looked at the evidence, and believe that they must be alien craft. They've looked at the possibilities, and that's the only explanation.

Aliens are everywhere sure, but as this fella told me most don't actually fly down in UFO's, rather they prefer to teleport. He reckons most UFO's are just funny shaped clouds.

Everyone knows UFOs exist. The question is their origin.Rhazakna

And if you'd watched the videos, you'd know that some Astronauts have come to the conclusion that they must be alien craft. I mean really.. if you're a pilot with top secret clearance, flying the latest and greatest tech, and you see a whole different type of craft doing things that are beyond the capabilities of anything that you've seen.. what are you going to think? When you're an astronaut and you experience the same type of thing, what are you going to think? There are endless testimonials from radar operators, pilots, etc.. detailling these craft performing maneuvers and moving at speeds that we can't comprehend. All I posted today are a few videos of Astronauts detailing their personal encounters, and (some) giving their conclusions based on these experiences. They're not just saying that there are unidentified flying objects. They're saying that they're under intelligent control in some cases, and that they're not man-made.

If a UFO around our part of outer space can be any (U)nidentified (F)lying (O)bject and doesn't necessarily mean extraterrestials? Sure. Otherwise, if it was an intelligent alien species, they would've blown us to kingdom come already or have that "We come in peace" crap. Why would they be so afraid of us puny humans to keep themselves hidden?

It's truly amazing how the skeptics are so proud of their deductive powers.. But then when deduction leads to the conclusion that aliens visiting our planet really is the most logical explanation, they just throw up their hands and say "Oh I don't know." Really? You don't think that a pilot or astronaut knows another craft under intelligent control when he sees one? You don't think that they can tell the difference between a weather balloon, plane, helicopter, rocket, satellite, etc.. and an advanced craft under intelligent control? One clearly beyond contemporary human capabilities? Come on..

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]Who honestly has argued that UFO's don't exist?hartsickdiscipl

The issue is that there are NASA astronauts who have seen these things firsthand and looked at the evidence, and believe that they must be alien craft. They've looked at the possibilities, and that's the only explanation.

:| Do you know whata UFO is? Because it doesn't have to be alien nor is it synomnous with alien.. Stop trying to act like it is.. When people say they saw a UFO they mean they found a object they could not identify readily..

If a UFO around our part of outer space can be any (U)nidentified (F)lying (O)bject and doesn't necessarily mean extraterrestials? Sure. Otherwise, if it was an intelligent alien species, they would've blown us to kingdom come already or have that "We come in peace" crap. Why would they be so afraid of us puny humans to keep themselves hidden?

jun_aka_pekto

You're making assumptions about alien thought processes and motives based on human ones. That has no place in the discussion.

This is just sad.

Being NASA doesnt make you credible.Some of them wore diapers and tried to kill people.

I hope in our time we will be able to discover alien life :)

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]Who honestly has argued that UFO's don't exist?sSubZerOo

The issue is that there are NASA astronauts who have seen these things firsthand and looked at the evidence, and believe that they must be alien craft. They've looked at the possibilities, and that's the only explanation.

:| Do you know whata UFO is? Because it doesn't have to be alien nor is it synomnous with alien.. Stop trying to act like it is.. When people say they saw a UFO they mean they found a object they could not identify readily..

I'll never know how people like you can't figure out why someone would think that a UFO was under intelligent control and possibly (probably) alien. Hmm.. Maybe the way it looked? Maybe the way it moved? Maybe it abducted them? Maybe it was chased by fighter jets (which were easily left behind)? It's not just some random object in the sky. There are attributes that makes people come to conclusions my friend.

It's truly amazing how the skeptics are so proud of their deductive powers.. But then when deduction leads to the conclusion that aliens visiting our planet really is the most logical explanation, they just throw up their hands and say "Oh I don't know." Really? You don't think that a pilot or astronaut knows another craft under intelligent control when he sees one? You don't think that they can tell the difference between a weather balloon, plane, helicopter, rocket, satellite, etc.. and an advanced craft under intelligent control? One clearly beyond contemporary human capabilities? Come on..

hartsickdiscipl

I hope in our time we will be able to discover alien life :)

gameofthering

Best possibility for finding life will be most likely having a unmanned aircraft head to Jupiter's moon Europa and dig into the underwater ocean there.

What I see is a bunch of people whose brains hit a wall when they're confronted by a subject that makes them uncomfortable. How many of you actually watched all of those videos and accepted what the witnesses said as fact? How many of you allowed your brains to put 2 and 2 together?

Here's Buzz Aldrin explaining he's "99.999%" certain that the UFO he spotted during the Apollo 11 mission was one of the panels that had housed the lunar module during launch.

Link

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]Who honestly has argued that UFO's don't exist?Ace6301

The issue is that there are NASA astronauts who have seen these things firsthand and looked at the evidence, and believe that they must be alien craft. They've looked at the possibilities, and that's the only explanation.

What I see is a bunch of people whose brains hit a wall when they're confronted by a subject that makes them uncomfortable. How many of you actually watched all of those videos and accepted what the witnesses said as fact? How many of you allowed your brains to put 2 and 2 together?

hartsickdiscipl

We've done this in the other alien thread. An astronaught not knowing what an object was is just as rediculous as that "aliens stacked blocks for us" thing. Just because he saw something out the window (there's millions of pieces of junk in orbit, plus god knows how many meteorites) doesn't make it aliens.

Seems like the better part of your brain melted and rolled out of your ears.

What I see is a bunch of people whose brains hit a wall when they're confronted by a subject that makes them uncomfortable. How many of you actually watched all of those videos and accepted what the witnesses said as fact? How many of you allowed your brains to put 2 and 2 together?

hartsickdiscipl

UFO.. Unidentified flying object.. Yet again it seems like YOUR the one that needs to be not getting it.. We accept that people have seen UFO's.. UFO does not mean alien.. Until you understand that things will get alot easier.

What I see is a bunch of people whose brains hit a wall when they're confronted by a subject that makes them uncomfortable. How many of you actually watched all of those videos and accepted what the witnesses said as fact? How many of you allowed your brains to put 2 and 2 together?

hartsickdiscipl

Here's Buzz Aldrin explaining he's "99.999%" certain that the UFO he spotted during the Apollo 11 mission was one of the panels that had housed the lunar module during launch.

Link

Oleg_Huzwog

Quite clearly thats a hoax and those were aliens.

What I see is a bunch of people whose brains hit a wall when they're confronted by a subject that makes them uncomfortable. How many of you actually watched all of those videos and accepted what the witnesses said as fact? How many of you allowed your brains to put 2 and 2 together?

hartsickdiscipl

1) I didn't watch them but we've all heard the astronauts stories before

2) It's not about accepting them as "fact", it's about accepting them as plausible stories

3) People don't seem to want to do 2; they'd rather say "It doesn't mean aliens" than "Aliens are a possibility". I'm not sure why people want to jump to that conclusion so quickly. No one should be saying it IS aliens, just that in their expert opinions it doesn't look like any human technology, therefore we should be accepting of suggestions that it is alien technology.

That's my opinion. I'm not going to say it MUST be aliens, merely that I am open to the suggestions that it's very unlikely to be human technology, and that aliens visiting Earth is a real possibility.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

It's truly amazing how the skeptics are so proud of their deductive powers.. But then when deduction leads to the conclusion that aliens visiting our planet really is the most logical explanation, they just throw up their hands and say "Oh I don't know." Really? You don't think that a pilot or astronaut knows another craft under intelligent control when he sees one? You don't think that they can tell the difference between a weather balloon, plane, helicopter, rocket, satellite, etc.. and an advanced craft under intelligent control? One clearly beyond contemporary human capabilities? Come on..

Ace6301

Well let's see.. Let's start with the idea that angels are aliens. They fly, they can perform wonderous feats with what might seem like magic, but could just as well be technology.

Then let's move onto the idea that they could be time travelers. I haven't ruled that out. However, when you dive into the thousands of pages of documentation regarding supposed eyewitness encounters with these beings, they rarely if ever came away with the impression that they were time travelers. They almost always come away believing (or being told) that the beings were from other worlds. Usually their descriptions of said beings match as well.

Dragons.. not so much. I don't have thousands of reports of dragon encounters from people with a modern technological perspective. I can believe that a firebreathing dragon in a description thousands of years old might have been an attempt by a technologically primitive person to describe a UFO or rocket.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

It's truly amazing how the skeptics are so proud of their deductive powers.. But then when deduction leads to the conclusion that aliens visiting our planet really is the most logical explanation, they just throw up their hands and say "Oh I don't know." Really? You don't think that a pilot or astronaut knows another craft under intelligent control when he sees one? You don't think that they can tell the difference between a weather balloon, plane, helicopter, rocket, satellite, etc.. and an advanced craft under intelligent control? One clearly beyond contemporary human capabilities? Come on..

hartsickdiscipl

Well let's see.. Let's start with the idea that angels are aliens. They fly, they can perform wonderous feats with what might seem like magic, but could just as well be technology.

Then let's move onto the idea that they could be time travelers. I haven't ruled that out. However, when you dive into the thousands of pages of documentation regarding supposed eyewitness encounters with these beings, they rarely if ever came away with the impression that they were time travelers. They almost always come away believing (or being told) that the beings were from other worlds. Usually their descriptions of said beings match as well.

Dragons.. not so much. I don't have thousands of reports of dragon encounters from people with a modern technological perspective. I can believe that a firebreathing dragon in a description thousands of years old might have been an attempt by a technologically primitive person to describe a UFO or rocket.

Do better than that

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

It's truly amazing how the skeptics are so proud of their deductive powers.. But then when deduction leads to the conclusion that aliens visiting our planet really is the most logical explanation, they just throw up their hands and say "Oh I don't know." Really? You don't think that a pilot or astronaut knows another craft under intelligent control when he sees one? You don't think that they can tell the difference between a weather balloon, plane, helicopter, rocket, satellite, etc.. and an advanced craft under intelligent control? One clearly beyond contemporary human capabilities? Come on..

hartsickdiscipl

Well let's see.. Let's start with the idea that angels are aliens. They fly, they can perform wonderous feats with what might seem like magic, but could just as well be technology.

Then let's move onto the idea that they could be time travelers. I haven't ruled that out. However, when you dive into the thousands of pages of documentation regarding supposed eyewitness encounters with these beings, they rarely if ever came away with the impression that they were time travelers. They almost always come away believing (or being told) that the beings were from other worlds. Usually their descriptions of said beings match as well.

Dragons.. not so much. I don't have thousands of reports of dragon encounters from people with a modern technological perspective. I can believe that a firebreathing dragon in a description thousands of years old might have been an attempt by a technologically primitive person to describe a UFO or rocket.

:? Yep I think we are done here.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Here's Buzz Aldrin explaining he's "99.999%" certain that the UFO he spotted during the Apollo 11 mission was one of the panels that had housed the lunar module during launch.

Link

sSubZerOo

Quite clearly thats a hoax and those were aliens.

Well, there is still that other 0.001% to be accounted for.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Here's Buzz Aldrin explaining he's "99.999%" certain that the UFO he spotted during the Apollo 11 mission was one of the panels that had housed the lunar module during launch.

Link

Oleg_Huzwog

Quite clearly thats a hoax and those were aliens.

Well, there is still that other 0.001% to be accounted for.

As the OP said those other chances would have to be Dragons and time travelers..

Here's Buzz Aldrin explaining he's "99.999%" certain that the UFO he spotted during the Apollo 11 mission was one of the panels that had housed the lunar module during launch.

Link

Oleg_Huzwog

Did you actually hear him say that? His sentences at the end of that interview were extremely unclear as to what he was trying to express. He was stuttering and never put a complete sentence together to say what you claim he did.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Here's Buzz Aldrin explaining he's "99.999%" certain that the UFO he spotted during the Apollo 11 mission was one of the panels that had housed the lunar module during launch.

Link

hartsickdiscipl

Did you actually hear him say that? His sentences at the end of that interview were extremely unclear as to what he was trying to express. He was stuttering and never put a complete sentence together to say what you claim he did.

So clearly he meant aliens, amirite?

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Actually your deduction thus far has been "objects that we're not sure what they are. What could they be? Aliens". This isn't a deduction from reason. it's a deduction from wanting there to be aliens. You don't even try to say it could be something fantastic other than aliens. Why not time travelers? Why not dragons? Why not Angels? All 3 of those are actually more widespread in fiction than aliens. According to your own logic in other threads it must actually be dragons as cultures all around the world have them in their lore.wis3boi

Well let's see.. Let's start with the idea that angels are aliens. They fly, they can perform wonderous feats with what might seem like magic, but could just as well be technology.

Then let's move onto the idea that they could be time travelers. I haven't ruled that out. However, when you dive into the thousands of pages of documentation regarding supposed eyewitness encounters with these beings, they rarely if ever came away with the impression that they were time travelers. They almost always come away believing (or being told) that the beings were from other worlds. Usually their descriptions of said beings match as well.

Dragons.. not so much. I don't have thousands of reports of dragon encounters from people with a modern technological perspective. I can believe that a firebreathing dragon in a description thousands of years old might have been an attempt by a technologically primitive person to describe a UFO or rocket.

Do better than that

I don't need to. If a million people walked up to me and said that they just got back from a trip to an alien planet, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt. Unless, you know.. It was a conspiracy and they all planned their stories together! :roll:

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Here's Buzz Aldrin explaining he's "99.999%" certain that the UFO he spotted during the Apollo 11 mission was one of the panels that had housed the lunar module during launch.

Link

hartsickdiscipl

Did you actually hear him say that? His sentences at the end of that interview were extremely unclear as to what he was trying to express. He was stuttering and never put a complete sentence together to say what you claim he did.

At 4:27, his exact words are "What did I see during the flight? We saw one of the 4 panels to 99.999."

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Here's Buzz Aldrin explaining he's "99.999%" certain that the UFO he spotted during the Apollo 11 mission was one of the panels that had housed the lunar module during launch.

Link

sSubZerOo

Did you actually hear him say that? His sentences at the end of that interview were extremely unclear as to what he was trying to express. He was stuttering and never put a complete sentence together to say what you claim he did.

So clearly he meant aliens, amirite?

That's not what I said. I just told you what I heard when I watched that video.

I don't even think that you're aware that others are luling at you.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Here's Buzz Aldrin explaining he's "99.999%" certain that the UFO he spotted during the Apollo 11 mission was one of the panels that had housed the lunar module during launch.

Link

hartsickdiscipl

Did you actually hear him say that? His sentences at the end of that interview were extremely unclear as to what he was trying to express. He was stuttering and never put a complete sentence together to say what you claim he did.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Well let's see.. Let's start with the idea that angels are aliens. They fly, they can perform wonderous feats with what might seem like magic, but could just as well be technology.

Then let's move onto the idea that they could be time travelers. I haven't ruled that out. However, when you dive into the thousands of pages of documentation regarding supposed eyewitness encounters with these beings, they rarely if ever came away with the impression that they were time travelers. They almost always come away believing (or being told) that the beings were from other worlds. Usually their descriptions of said beings match as well.

Dragons.. not so much. I don't have thousands of reports of dragon encounters from people with a modern technological perspective. I can believe that a firebreathing dragon in a description thousands of years old might have been an attempt by a technologically primitive person to describe a UFO or rocket.

hartsickdiscipl

Do better than that

I don't need to. If a million people walked up to me and said that they just got back from a trip to an alien planet, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt. Unless, you know.. It was a conspiracy and they all planned their stories together! :roll:

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Did you actually hear him say that? His sentences at the end of that interview were extremely unclear as to what he was trying to express. He was stuttering and never put a complete sentence together to say what you claim he did.

hartsickdiscipl

So clearly he meant aliens, amirite?

That's not what I said. I just told you what I heard when I watched that video.

But your entire point is they are aliens.. And what other plausible explainations did you offer beside those? Dragon's, time travelers, and angels.. No one is going to take you seriously in this thread let alone this board.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Here's Buzz Aldrin explaining he's "99.999%" certain that the UFO he spotted during the Apollo 11 mission was one of the panels that had housed the lunar module during launch.

Link

Oleg_Huzwog

Did you actually hear him say that? His sentences at the end of that interview were extremely unclear as to what he was trying to express. He was stuttering and never put a complete sentence together to say what you claim he did.

At 4:27, his exact words are "What did I see during the flight? We saw one of the 4 panels to 99.999."

I wasn't convinced by his delivery in this interview. Especially when he had indicated otherwise before. You really think that he would figure out that it was one of the panels 40 years later? That makes no sense.

Not to mention that other Astronauts, pilots, etc. etc. have said much more conclusively that they have encountered incredibly advanced craft under intelligent control.

Well until there is some evidence shown that isnt a joke like eye witness testimony or thousands of incredibly blurry photos I won't believe any of it

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]Who honestly has argued that UFO's don't exist?Ace6301

The issue is that there are NASA astronauts who have seen these things firsthand and looked at the evidence, and believe that they must be alien craft. They've looked at the possibilities, and that's the only explanation.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

So clearly he meant aliens, amirite?

sSubZerOo

That's not what I said. I just told you what I heard when I watched that video.

But your entire point is they are aliens.. And what other plausible explainations did you offer beside those? Dragon's, time travelers, and angels.. No one is going to take you seriously in this thread let alone this board.

When you take all of the sightings, encounters, etc.. into account, the picture points much more towards aliens from other worlds than dragons, time travelers, etc.. That should be clear enough. If it's not, I think you're intentionally being difficult.

If people don't take these things seriously, that's their loss. I could care less what OT thinks of me. It doesn't matter. What does matter is the truth about what's behind the UFOs and ancient writings about similar events.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Well let's see.. Let's start with the idea that angels are aliens. They fly, they can perform wonderous feats with what might seem like magic, but could just as well be technology.

Then let's move onto the idea that they could be time travelers. I haven't ruled that out. However, when you dive into the thousands of pages of documentation regarding supposed eyewitness encounters with these beings, they rarely if ever came away with the impression that they were time travelers. They almost always come away believing (or being told) that the beings were from other worlds. Usually their descriptions of said beings match as well.

Dragons.. not so much. I don't have thousands of reports of dragon encounters from people with a modern technological perspective. I can believe that a firebreathing dragon in a description thousands of years old might have been an attempt by a technologically primitive person to describe a UFO or rocket.

hartsickdiscipl

Do better than that

I don't need to. If a million people walked up to me and said that they just got back from a trip to an alien planet, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt. Unless, you know.. It was a conspiracy and they all planned their stories together! :roll:

I don't even think that you're aware that others are luling at you.

CaveJohnson1

The problem with 95% of mankind is that they give a crap when people laugh at them. The other 5% are concerned with things that really matter.

The UFO phenomenon has drawn ire and skepticism from many.. I dare say most. However, there are many cases that have been unexplained, or can seemingly only be explained by the idea that either aliens from another planet or interdimensional beings are responsible. These objects often exhibit flight characteristics that can only be explained by intelligent control, but far above the capabilities of man-made craft. Indeed.. if humans had the type of technology that has been demonstrated by UFOs for at minimum 65 years, we would surely be using such technology in commercial or open military ventures. Some of the most credible witnesses to such events are military personnel, commercial pilots, FAA officials, policemen, and all sorts of former skeptics. However, there is one type of witness that might rank above all of these in terms of credibility. Astronauts. Check out what some of the most credible human beings on Earth (when it comes to flying objects) have experienced, and what they had to say about it-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlkV1ybBnHI&feature=feedrec - Buzz Aldrin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPR8T1o3Dc&feature=related - Gordon Cooper

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkBhME9RCjc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5upFvipUAXs&feature=related- Edgar Mitchell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlOZtfy0MwY&feature=related

Hope you enjoyed that.

hartsickdiscipl

Perhaps we should ask the real question: Why does it matter? Would it make you feel better if everyone believed aliens exist? Is it like a fundraiser drive where if you have 90% or more of the population believe in aliens existing that they aliens will show themselves to everyone in major cities? Even if we say we believe in aliens, what good does it do us?

Nothing.

We don't have direct contact, we don't have their technology, we don't even interact with them. Even if we believe it is a mega government conspiracy, do you think we will, as the general public, uncover that? Nope.