American cars > European cars >> Japanese cars

I am American. From what I have studied. If u want superior all around performance and engineering go with European. For longevity, reliability, and gas mileage go with Japanese. For muscle go with American. American cars suck in gas mileage, quality, and longevity. In my personal opinion, I would go with Japanese because gas efficiency and reliability go a long way in my eyes compared to other qualities.

Edit: Also insurance companies favor Japanese cars over everything else. They give the lowest rates to Japanese.

[QUOTE="faisal123456"]True dat you never know when your going to have to pump $100 in gas weekly. Aswell the insurence prices are rediculasy low. foxhound_fox

But who in their right mind would drive a 600hp car every day? Even if you had it as a daily driver, your easy on the throttle, keeping those RPM's low enough to were those 600 horses aren't guzzling 16 gallons in 1 day. Gas is $3.70 here.

I am American. From what I have studied. If u want superior all around performance and engineering go with European. For longevity, reliability, and gas mileage go with Japanese. For muscle go with American. American cars suck in gas mileage, quality, and longevity. In my personal opinion, I would go with Japanese because gas efficiency and reliability go a long way in my eyes compared to other qualities.

Edit: Also insurance companies favor Japanese cars over everything else. They give the lowest rates to Japanese.

ttobba07

this is also why the economy is going south. It's not just the fact that people refuse to buy american, they have a mindset against it too. It's sad, really.

this is also why the economy is going south. It's not just the fact that people refuse to buy american, they have a mindset against it too. It's sad, really.

mohfrontline

Isn't the whole point of free trade making people able to buy foreign products if they find their American counterparts inferior? If American car manufacturers want people to buy their products, they should make better products. That's how capitalism works.

i'ld say europe makes the best

markop2003

I want this car.

So bad. :(

Previous year's studies have shown Ford narrowing the quality gap with Japanese automakers. This year's report found that Ford is now in a statistical dead-heat with Japan's leading carmakers, according to a source who had reviewed the numbers.detnews

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080405/AUTO01/804050355/1148"

I guess no one saw that when I posted it.

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I am American. From what I have studied. If u want superior all around performance and engineering go with European. For longevity, reliability, and gas mileage go with Japanese. For muscle go with American. American cars suck in gas mileage, quality, and longevity. In my personal opinion, I would go with Japanese because gas efficiency and reliability go a long way in my eyes compared to other qualities.

Edit: Also insurance companies favor Japanese cars over everything else. They give the lowest rates to Japanese.

mohfrontline

this is also why the economy is going south. It's not just the fact that people refuse to buy american, they have a mindset against it too. It's sad, really.

They have that midset because american made products have the highest failure rates vs other countries. We brought this on ourselves because americans do not value work quality. We are known to not pay attention or even be interested in our jobs. We don't care about making an effort as long as we get paid. Fact is most American hate their jobs. I am not saying everyone in America is like this but I will give an estimate of 65% are like this.

But who in their right mind would drive a 600hp car every day? Even if you had it as a daily driver, your easy on the throttle, keeping those RPM's low enough to were those 600 horses aren't guzzling 16 gallons in 1 day. Gas is $3.70 here.Pro_wrestler

[QUOTE="mohfrontline"]

this is also why the economy is going south. It's not just the fact that people refuse to buy american, they have a mindset against it too. It's sad, really.

GabuEx

Isn't the whole point of free trade making people able to buy foreign products if they find their American counterparts inferior? If American car manufacturers want people to buy their products, they should make better products. That's how capitalism works.

It has nothing to do with quality anymore, currently Japanese cars are the most fitting for our situations right now. People are spending more money on Gas, then they are on groceries. Japanese cars are the bandaid to the wound currently.

It has nothing to do with quality anymore, currently Japanese cars are the most fitting for our situations right now. People are spending more money on Gas, then they are on groceries. Japanese cars are the bandaid to the wound currently. Pro_wrestler

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]But who in their right mind would drive a 600hp car every day? Even if you had it as a daily driver, your easy on the throttle, keeping those RPM's low enough to were those 600 horses aren't guzzling 16 gallons in 1 day. Gas is $3.70 here.foxhound_fox

They are fun, I had the pleasure of driving a 2008 Audi A4 for 2 weeks: 200-hp Turbocharged 2.0L four-cylinder :o So fast, definitely fun and surprisingly inexpensive. Well I wasn't saying you need a 600hp car to have fun but assuming everyone could afford it, why not?

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[QUOTE="Robertoey"]I'd probably say Europe.kruesader

Sure, if you like cars that practically drive themselves.

Internationally, American cars are almost a joke because of their build quality and simpleton design.

Yes, if you've ever driven a Ford, then you know what we mean...

they suck.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]It has nothing to do with quality anymore, currently Japanese cars are the most fitting for our situations right now. People are spending more money on Gas, then they are on groceries. Japanese cars are the bandaid to the wound currently. foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="DrCoCoPiMp"]

[QUOTE="kruesader"]Europe>Japanese>>>American, its just how it is, BL GG.jachichorro

the dude is right

I concur.

[QUOTE="DrCoCoPiMp"]

[QUOTE="kruesader"]Europe>Japanese>>>American, its just how it is, BL GG.jachichorro

the dude is right

I concur.

[QUOTE="jachichorro"][QUOTE="DrCoCoPiMp"]

[QUOTE="kruesader"]Europe>Japanese>>>American, its just how it is, BL GG.Viper_GTS-R

the dude is right

I concur.

Awww shucks:oops:

[QUOTE="Robertoey"]I'd probably say Europe.Pro_wrestler

Sure, if you like cars that practically drive themselves.

515HP 0-60 4.5sec top speed 207mph all in a sedan, Germans are automotive gods, and now the 335i coupe, you just can't mess with that.muscleserge

Wow, thank you..someone actually cought up. The intentions of this thread was for you to post your car + specs and a little discussion.

With that said, I'm excited about the Saleen S5S Raptor. We need more American supercars...or cars with supercar-like performance.



Rundown:
0-60: 3.2
HP/Torque: 650/630
Top Speed: 200+
Price: $200k



Reminds me of an NSX sorty from the rear.

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[QUOTE="Robertoey"]I'd probably say Europe.dgbiker1

Sure, if you like cars that practically drive themselves.

Sort of contradicting don't you think? Someone racing a car with a "tractor suspension" is n00bsauce? I would consider that amazing.

Its way more challenging getting a car with a live rear-axle to stick in corners than it is with a car with IRS so how can that be used to discredit ones driving skills? A mustang GT doesn't even come with stability management.

[QUOTE="moptopskate"]I sense another one of those topics where the kid just totally stole the pictures of the car and the specs from another site and was caughtPro_wrestler

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

[QUOTE="Robertoey"]I'd probably say Europe.Hoobinator

Sure, if you like cars that practically drive themselves.

Way to generalise. Try driving a TVR and see how you get along.

And yet again I think Europe = Japanese >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> American.

Europe for style, high market car, especially supercar variety, and Japan for everyday cars, reliability, price, mpg etc.

Personally I'd take Japanese cars, since they're usually better in the areas that matter to most people.

European cars suck in the regard of supercars, every "Supercar" they make is $200,000. Why do they get out performed by cars that are 1/3rd the price? Because your paying for a name plat rather than actual performance.

your kidding right. there is no car made by an American company that can outperform a Porsche 911 GT2 RS unless it is heavily modded

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="moptopskate"]I sense another one of those topics where the kid just totally stole the pictures of the car and the specs from another site and was caughtFUBAR24

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

[QUOTE="Robertoey"]I'd probably say Europe.Hoobinator

Sure, if you like cars that practically drive themselves.

Way to generalise. Try driving a TVR and see how you get along.

And yet again I think Europe = Japanese >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> American.

Europe for style, high market car, especially supercar variety, and Japan for everyday cars, reliability, price, mpg etc.

Personally I'd take Japanese cars, since they're usually better in the areas that matter to most people.

European cars suck in the regard of supercars, every "Supercar" they make is $200,000. Why do they get out performed by cars that are 1/3rd the price? Because your paying for a name plat rather than actual performance.

your kidding right. there is no car made by an American company that can outperform a Porsche 911 GT2 RS unless it is heavily modded

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[QUOTE="Robertoey"]I'd probably say Europe.dgbiker1

Sure, if you like cars that practically drive themselves.

Hell the Tesla Roadster is more of a car than the mustang is. Fully Electric 0-60 in about 4.5 seconds and 225 miles per charge for 100 grand

[QUOTE="FUBAR24"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="moptopskate"]I sense another one of those topics where the kid just totally stole the pictures of the car and the specs from another site and was caughtDub_c6969

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

[QUOTE="Robertoey"]I'd probably say Europe.Hoobinator

Sure, if you like cars that practically drive themselves.

Way to generalise. Try driving a TVR and see how you get along.

And yet again I think Europe = Japanese >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> American.

Europe for style, high market car, especially supercar variety, and Japan for everyday cars, reliability, price, mpg etc.

Personally I'd take Japanese cars, since they're usually better in the areas that matter to most people.

European cars suck in the regard of supercars, every "Supercar" they make is $200,000. Why do they get out performed by cars that are 1/3rd the price? Because your paying for a name plat rather than actual performance.

your kidding right. there is no car made by an American company that can outperform a Porsche 911 GT2 RS unless it is heavily modded

acceleration yes but on a track that isnt an oval the Porsche would dominate the race.

To Pro Wrestler: I have never in my life heard someone say that they preferred American cars to Japanese and European cars. I have never read an article on the internet that somehow ended up with American cars being better than Japanese and European cars.

Seriously, you are the first person I've ever encountered to say American cars are better than *** and Euro cars. Ever. In my freaking life. I mean, sure, I would be ecstatic if I had a Viper, but I would be even more ecstatic if had a Nissan GTR or BMW M3.

People in different countries laugh at all the Chevys and Fords in the World. America? Best Trucks? Possibly. Best Cars overall? No way.Moroes

ya ill give america the title for the Best trucks. (the Toyota Tundra has had too many recalls) but as far as cars go its like comparing A computer to a calculator. American cars are familiar and simple where as European and Japanese cars are years ahead in technology and standards

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[QUOTE="Robertoey"]I'd probably say Europe.Pro_wrestler

Sure, if you like cars that practically drive themselves.

Sort of contradicting don't you think? Someone racing a car with a "tractor suspension" is n00bsauce? I would consider that amazing.

Its way more challenging getting a car with a live rear-axle to stick in corners than it is with a car with IRS so how can that be used to discredit ones driving skills? A mustang GT doesn't even come with stability management.

Europe>Japanese>>>American, its just how it is, BL GG.kruesader

Ditto that. American is just about size. And guzzlers too.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="dgbiker1"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

[QUOTE="Robertoey"]I'd probably say Europe.dgbiker1

Sure, if you like cars that practically drive themselves.

Sort of contradicting don't you think? Someone racing a car with a "tractor suspension" is n00bsauce? I would consider that amazing.

Its way more challenging getting a car with a live rear-axle to stick in corners than it is with a car with IRS so how can that be used to discredit ones driving skills? A mustang GT doesn't even come with stability management.

How is the axle poorly engineered?

Less maitenance-
Overal stronger design/able to handle more power with less modifications-
Cheaper-

The only downside is its less flexible than IRS for cornering and handling. Quite frankly your sentence makes no sense. You admittedly referenced a single element of the car ONLY then contradict yourself buy saying it sucks based on that sole part?

As far as handling goes, lets compare the Mustang GT's figure 8, which apparently handling is t3h suck.

Figure 8 measuring grip:
Audi TT quattro 3.2: 26.1 sec @ 0.69 g (avg)
2007 BMW Z4: 25.6 sec @ 0.70 g (avg)
2007 Porsche Boxster: 25.3 sec @ 0.74 g (avg)
2005 Mustang GT: 26.4 sec @ 0.69 g avg

And the Mustang is quicker to 60mph than all these cars except the BMW Z4 which it MATCHES @ 5.1 sec. Its also quicker in the 1/4th mile. The closet competitor in the 1/4th mile is the BMW at 13.8sec versus 13.5 for the GT.

Base Price:
Audi TT Quattro: $46,275
2007 BMW Z4: $43,175
2007 Porsche Boxster: $46,460
Mustang GT: $26,330

All tests are from Motortrend: BMW, Porsche and Audi can be found here: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/convertibles/112_0708_german_roadster_comparison/specs.html
The Mustang GT can be found here: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0508_muscle_cars_comparison/specs_price.html
:| Not saying which car is better based on this info, but wow, talk about damage to the misconceptions.

your kidding right. there is no car made by an American company that can outperform a Porsche 911 GT2 RS unless it is heavily modded

FUBAR24

Z06, '08 Viper, FGT and S7. Not only do these car match or exceed the GT2's performance, the former 3 are cheaper to boot.

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your kidding right. there is no car made by an American company that can outperform a Porsche 911 GT2 RS unless it is heavily modded

Pro_wrestler

Z06, '08 Viper, FGT and S7. Not only do these car match or exceed the GT2's performance, the former 3 are cheaper to boot.

i said outperform. and of the cars you listed they can match it in straight lines or on in oval, the only one i can see matching or outperforming on a real track like sebring or LeMans is the Z06

Only American car I would consider buying is the Camaro and purely for nostalgic purposes. When it comes to quality, gas mileage, and longevity - European and Japanese cars have far suprassed the American car manufacturers.Sajedene

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="FUBAR24"]

your kidding right. there is no car made by an American company that can outperform a Porsche 911 GT2 RS unless it is heavily modded

FUBAR24

Z06, '08 Viper, FGT and S7. Not only do these car match or exceed the GT2's performance, the former 3 are cheaper to boot.

i said outperform. and of the cars you listed they can match it in straight lines or on in oval, the only one i can see matching or outperforming on a real track like sebring or LeMans is the Z06

Semantics. Anyway, isn't the RS GT3 a purpose built RACE car? I've listed nothing but street cars and the S7 TT will outperform or match it for the same price.

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]Only American car I would consider buying is the Camaro and purely for nostalgic purposes. When it comes to quality, gas mileage, and longevity - European and Japanese cars have far suprassed the American car manufacturers.Pro_wrestler

None of the links you showed me proved quality. Ok maybe you've proven quality of ONE American car. Im talking about the industry as a whole. There is a reason why Ford and GM are having trouble keeping out of the red. They lack innovation and they spread themselves too much to many brands using outdated technology.

Just because you're in love with one car from an American manufacturer does not reflect how the car industry is as a whole.

[QUOTE="FUBAR24"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="FUBAR24"]

your kidding right. there is no car made by an American company that can outperform a Porsche 911 GT2 RS unless it is heavily modded

Pro_wrestler

Z06, '08 Viper, FGT and S7. Not only do these car match or exceed the GT2's performance, the former 3 are cheaper to boot.

i said outperform. and of the cars you listed they can match it in straight lines or on in oval, the only one i can see matching or outperforming on a real track like sebring or LeMans is the Z06

Semantics. Anyway, isn't the RS GT3 a purpose built RACE car? I've listed nothing but street cars and the S7 TT will outperform or match it for the same price.

its a purpose built race car that is street legal therefore its vaild in this argument

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="Sajedene"]Only American car I would consider buying is the Camaro and purely for nostalgic purposes. When it comes to quality, gas mileage, and longevity - European and Japanese cars have far suprassed the American car manufacturers.Sajedene

None of the links you showed me proved quality. Ok maybe you've proven quality of ONE American car. Im talking about the industry as a whole. There is a reason why Ford and GM are having trouble keeping out of the red. They lack innovation and they spread themselves too much to many brands using outdated technology.

Just because you're in love with one car from an American manufacturer does not reflect how the car industry is as a whole.

Take your own advice. And they are "struggling" because, like I said in an earlier post, the Japanese cars are the bandaid to our wound currently. Not because you think they're better. If they're better then why don't I see any European cars outselling the American cars? If like the consensus is saying "EuroCars = JPNcars > USAcars." Because that isn't the issue. As far as gas mileage goes Euro cars + American cars are detriment to our current situations.

And no, it doesn't not point to just one car being of equal quality.

The study looked at 2008 model cars and trucks from all full-line manufacturers. Drivers were asked to list any problems they had encountered during their first 90 days of ownership.detnews

I just want a reliable car that will get me from A to B. So I drive a Japanese car.duxup

lol my family actually owns a small fleet of hondas, My dad has an 05 Ridgeline, my mom has an '03 Oddessy, and we just bought my grandparents '03 Accord. My sister is planning on getting a used Civic this summer and one of the cars on my dream list is the S2000 CR

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[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="Sajedene"]Only American car I would consider buying is the Camaro and purely for nostalgic purposes. When it comes to quality, gas mileage, and longevity - European and Japanese cars have far suprassed the American car manufacturers.Pro_wrestler

None of the links you showed me proved quality. Ok maybe you've proven quality of ONE American car. Im talking about the industry as a whole. There is a reason why Ford and GM are having trouble keeping out of the red. They lack innovation and they spread themselves too much to many brands using outdated technology.

Just because you're in love with one car from an American manufacturer does not reflect how the car industry is as a whole.

Take your own advice. And they are "struggling" because, like I said in an earlier post, the Japanese cars are the bandaid to our wound currently. Not because you think they're better. If they're better then why don't I see any European cars outselling the American cars? If like the consensus is saying "EuroCars = JPNcars > USAcars." Because that isn't the issue. As far as gas mileage goes Euro cars + American cars are detriment to our current situations.

And no, it doesn't not point to just one car being of equal quality.

The study looked at 2008 model cars and trucks from all full-line manufacturers. Drivers were asked to list any problems they had encountered during their first 90 days of ownership.detnews

I do. I have different favorite cars from different regions. But that band aid you refer to is a bandaid for a reason. If the American Car Manufacturers actually catered to what society needs then no one would have to resort to buying European or Japanese.

And thats great for Ford based on your link (See I knew you were a one car brand guy) but keyword there is INITIAL. If you think about the logic of the statistics of that article then - buyers remorse aside - it is logical to think that if a person buys a certain brand of car - they would be initially happy with it. I would like to see a study of how happy these owners are after they pass 50,000 miles.

I just want a reliable car that will get me from A to B. So I drive a Japanese car.duxup

You're a disgusting commie/socialist unpatriotic terror lover.

[QUOTE="duxup"]I just want a reliable car that will get me from A to B. So I drive a Japanese car.FUBAR24

lol my family actually owns a small fleet of hondas, My dad has an 05 Ridgeline, my mom has an '03 Oddessy, and we just bought my grandparents '03 Accord. My sister is planning on getting a used Civic this summer and one of the cars on my dream list is the S2000 CR

Yup. I've got a Honda Accord. It is 13 years old. Aside from regular maintenance it has NEVER broken. I must have saved a ton of money because of that car.