American cars > European cars >> Japanese cars

any car can be reliable if you take care of it and any car can crap out at 50k miles if you dont, as for style and performance, its up for debateg-unit248

Almost any Geo Prizm, Toyota, or Honda can outdo that.

americans buy american cars cos it seems that they are terrified by the thought anyone can build somethin better than they can whether it be cars or electronics etc etc. They blindly buy their home made rubbish despite the cars being complete rubbish when compared to a real car.

The best (and i use that term in the loosest possible way) american sports car is a corvette which has a live rear axle and leaf spring technology which anyone with even the remotest bit of engineering know how will tell u is ancient. It has a 7 litre engine which in itself sounds impressive but it only produces just over 500bhp which really is shameful when u consider that the Germans or Italians can get more than that from an engine half the size.

I like the term 'brute force engineering' when describing anythin american built because u can pretty much guarantee it will sound good and produce a good show but is ultimately rubbish. Look at the dodge viper with its 8litre:shock: engine lifted from a truck to see a great example of this, its loud and makes a good spectacle but compared to any other sports car its hopeless.

There have been rare exceptions to this like the original 64 mustang but it really took a nose dive from there on in. Why do u think that its only america that buys american cars? its because the rest of the world have become used to quality builds and good performance, good handling which u just dont get with american cars, dont even get me started on the interior quality of the things either.

In closing, European cars then Japanese. I wouldnt even put american cars in the same category as the afore mentioned im afraid.

I know what i'd rather have....

Im European but nothing can be compared with American cars except English cars maybe.rom11

No offense but do you know anything about cars at all? English cars are practically non-existant any more. Proper road-production cars simply aren't made here any more, the big factories have changed to making super-godly super cars every decade instead.

I'd love for you to name me the american car which nothing can be compared to. :? The only american car which i like is the Ford GT on sheer looks alone, but even then it's a horrendous drive. You have to fill it up with petrol literally every time you take it out on the road.

FORD:

Fix Or Repair Daily

Found On Road Dead

Any others I'm forgetting?

Rekunta

That's really not fair to be honest, as the Ford cars sold in Europe today are bomb proof. I dont know about all the generic sedans they make and sell in the US, but cars like the Fiesta and Focus are practically unbreakable. I know that wasn't the case 20 years ago, but Ford today really is amazing in terms of reliability. Their gearboxes are the best on earth.

[QUOTE="kruesader"]

How can I prove a general opinion? I could probably find something but I won't for now, what I am saying is that most American cars are just a large engine in a stylish body, there is very little passion or true design involved.

Pro_wrestler

In that case, Japanese cars and European cars are internationally known for poor quality and performance. I can make up things aswell, since you can't prove what you said.

What he said is obviously true. What you said is completely false. :?

[QUOTE="rom11"]Im European but nothing can be compared with American cars except English cars maybe.Ninja-Hippo

No offense but do you know anything about cars at all? English cars are practically non-existant any more. Proper road-production cars simply aren't made here any more, the big factories have changed to making super-godly super cars every decade instead.

I'd love for you to name me the american car which nothing can be compared to. :? The only american car which i like is the Ford GT on sheer looks alone, but even then it's a horrendous drive. You have to fill it up with petrol literally every time you take it out on the road.

I didn't try to offend anybody, I just like all those Chryslers, Cadillacs and Chevys. But I like Bentley the most. Tell me some European car thats better than American cars?

Hmm... why everyone hate american cars? I think they are perfect compared to new BMW-s or Mercedes-es etc that creak like they are compound of little plastic pieces.rom11

U have to laugh uncontrollably at the irony of that statement:lol::lol:

[QUOTE="rom11"]Hmm... why everyone hate american cars? I think they are perfect compared to new BMW-s or Mercedes-es etc that creak like they are compound of little plastic pieces.l34052

U have to laugh uncontrollably at the irony of that statement:lol::lol:

Trust me, there was no irony in it.

I just like all those Chryslers, Cadillacs and Chevys. But I like Bentley the most. Tell me some European car thats better than American cars?

rom11

How much time have u got, it could take a while theres so many.

I didn't try to offend anybody, I just like all those Chryslers, Cadillacs and Chevys. But I like Bentley the most. Tell me some European car thats better than American cars?

rom11

I didn't say that you'd offended anyone. Calm down. :|

You seem to judging "quality" by just your impression at looking at a car. Cars made by the likes of Mercedes, Aston Martin, TVR, Ferrari and Porsche are all - generally - much better in terms of design and performance than american cars, which tend to have far, far more simplistic designs basically involving as big an engine as you can fit in a big, chunky body. Often resulting in a very powerful engine completely wasted on a car which isn't built for it, which is why they tend to be so unreliable.

Porsche, for example, once changed the material the little badge on the front of the car is made out of, because they calculated that it would better complement the car's weight distribution, providing better performance. Isn't that amazing?

[QUOTE="rom11"]

I just like all those Chryslers, Cadillacs and Chevys. But I like Bentley the most. Tell me some European car thats better than American cars?

l34052

How much time have u got, it could take a while theres so many.

Tell me 3.

[QUOTE="l34052"]

[QUOTE="rom11"]Hmm... why everyone hate american cars? I think they are perfect compared to new BMW-s or Mercedes-es etc that creak like they are compound of little plastic pieces.rom11

U have to laugh uncontrollably at the irony of that statement:lol::lol:

Trust me, there was no irony in it.

You're saying Mercedes cars, which are pretty much a masterclass of modern engineering, creak like they are made of plastic? :|

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

[QUOTE="rom11"]Im European but nothing can be compared with American cars except English cars maybe.rom11

No offense but do you know anything about cars at all? English cars are practically non-existant any more. Proper road-production cars simply aren't made here any more, the big factories have changed to making super-godly super cars every decade instead.

I'd love for you to name me the american car which nothing can be compared to. :? The only american car which i like is the Ford GT on sheer looks alone, but even then it's a horrendous drive. You have to fill it up with petrol literally every time you take it out on the road.

I didn't try to offend anybody, I just like all those Chryslers, Cadillacs and Chevys. But I like Bentley the most. Tell me some European car thats better than American cars?

Really depends on what you prefer. If you want reliability, then japanese cars have long outperformed both american and european made cars. For a while in the 90's GM and Ford made cars that had low reliability. Currently, they're actually making cars that don't break down and have good peformance, but no one wants to buy them anymore. Mercedes has a horrible reliability record. For years, they were given low scores in every consumer reports I looked at. Even BMW, has low to moderate marks in the reliability deparment. The idrive was a complete failure and bust and really only the 300 series gets good reviews.

Honda/Acura and Toyota/Lexus have consisently made cars that easily outlast american/european gas guzzlers. However, if you prefer the sensation of driving than I would take an american/european car over a japanese one.

Hmm... why everyone hate american cars? I think they are perfect compared to new BMW-s or Mercedes-es etc that creak like they are compound of little plastic pieces. They are powerful and comfort. And let's look back at the fifties when Americans made 5 meters tall ships while Europeans made some little boxes.rom11

:|. Joke? Or do you not know about these:

i don't give a damn about the 0-60 time or massive horsepower. I want fuel efficiency. regular unleaded is about 4.09 in my area :POntain

[QUOTE="rom11"][QUOTE="l34052"]

[QUOTE="rom11"]Hmm... why everyone hate american cars? I think they are perfect compared to new BMW-s or Mercedes-es etc that creak like they are compound of little plastic pieces.Ninja-Hippo

U have to laugh uncontrollably at the irony of that statement:lol::lol:

Trust me, there was no irony in it.

You're saying Mercedes cars, which are pretty much a masterclass of modern engineering, creak like they are made of plastic? :|

Mercedes have very low reliabillity and are consisently rated low in consumer reports. BMW is a better brand than Mercedes.

Mercedes have very low reliabillity and are consisently rated low in consumer reports. BMW is a better brand than Mercedes.

sonicare

Maybe cheap ones, sure. But their more expensive models are absolutely amazing. It's the same with Audis. I sat in one the other week and was just amazed at the cold, hard precision which goes into absolutely everything. The interior was just immense.

EDIT: i just googled it and mercedes won most reliable car manufacturer in 2006. :?

[QUOTE="l34052"][QUOTE="rom11"]

I just like all those Chryslers, Cadillacs and Chevys. But I like Bentley the most. Tell me some European car thats better than American cars?

rom11

How much time have u got, it could take a while theres so many.

Tell me 3.

Any Ferrari, any Porsche, any of Land Rover, the new Rolls Royce, the newer Bentleys, any BMW, any Mercedes, any European car pretty much.

[QUOTE="Ontain"]i don't give a damn about the 0-60 time or massive horsepower. I want fuel efficiency. regular unleaded is about 4.09 in my area :PJandurin

my accord is about 30ish mpg and it doesn't have any issues with speed or AC. i don't hear those issues about the prius either. I really don't go over 60 or 70 since above that would get a huge ticket in NY :(

[QUOTE="l34052"][QUOTE="rom11"]

I just like all those Chryslers, Cadillacs and Chevys. But I like Bentley the most. Tell me some European car thats better than American cars?

rom11

How much time have u got, it could take a while theres so many.

Tell me 3.

1, 3, 5 series BMW, VW Golf GTI, Audi A4, RS4, RS6 and about a hundred more, thats not even countin the likes of Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo, Pagani, Bugatti, Koenigsegg....

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="rom11"][QUOTE="l34052"]

[QUOTE="rom11"]Hmm... why everyone hate american cars? I think they are perfect compared to new BMW-s or Mercedes-es etc that creak like they are compound of little plastic pieces.sonicare

U have to laugh uncontrollably at the irony of that statement:lol::lol:

Trust me, there was no irony in it.

You're saying Mercedes cars, which are pretty much a masterclass of modern engineering, creak like they are made of plastic? :|

Mercedes have very low reliabillity and are consisently rated low in consumer reports. BMW is a better brand than Mercedes.

The new body A, B, C, E, CLS, S and SLK are a lot better.

[QUOTE="rom11"]

I didn't try to offend anybody, I just like all those Chryslers, Cadillacs and Chevys. But I like Bentley the most. Tell me some European car thats better than American cars?

Ninja-Hippo

I didn't say that you'd offended anyone. Calm down. :|

You seem to judging "quality" by just your impression at looking at a car. Cars made by the likes of Mercedes, Aston Martin, TVR, Ferrari and Porsche are all - generally - much better in terms of design and performance than american cars, which tend to have far, far more simplistic designs basically involving as big an engine as you can fit in a big, chunky body. Often resulting in a very powerful engine completely wasted on a car which isn't built for it, which is why they tend to be so unreliable.

Porsche, for example, once changed the material the little badge on the front of the car is made out of, because they calculated that it would better complement the car's weight distribution, providing better performance. Isn't that amazing?

What's good about Mercedeses design? Every Mercedes looks like same. At least Americans change it all the time. For example compare Chrysler 300M with 300C. And American cars are way more comfort than European ones, take it or leave it. Tell me, what's wrong with American cars performance?

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Ontain"]i don't give a damn about the 0-60 time or massive horsepower. I want fuel efficiency. regular unleaded is about 4.09 in my area :POntain

my accord is about 30ish mpg and it doesn't have any issues with speed or AC. i don't hear those issues about the prius either. I really don't go over 60 or 70 since above that would get a huge ticket in NY :(

That's really cheap fuel if you're talking dollars for a gallon, in the UK the equivalent is almost $10.

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Mercedes have very low reliabillity and are consisently rated low in consumer reports. BMW is a better brand than Mercedes.

Ninja-Hippo

Maybe cheap ones, sure. But their more expensive models are absolutely amazing. It's the same with Audis. I sat in one the other week and was just amazed at the cold, hard precision which goes into absolutely everything. The interior was just immense.

I'm talking about longevity/mechanical reliability not performance. Mercedes has/had a very bad record with that. Even in top end models - at least back in 2004 when I was researching new cars - they scored very low. Audi not so good either. The best rated european car at that time was the VW passat - top of its class for its category. But the VW jetta was a bust. Not sure of 2008/2009 models.

That's really cheap fuel if you're talking dollars for a gallon, in the UK the equivalent is almost $10.

james28893

No it isn't. You cant just convert the currency and say "that's how much it'd be." It doesn't work that way.

[QUOTE="Ontain"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Ontain"]i don't give a damn about the 0-60 time or massive horsepower. I want fuel efficiency. regular unleaded is about 4.09 in my area :Pjames28893

my accord is about 30ish mpg and it doesn't have any issues with speed or AC. i don't hear those issues about the prius either. I really don't go over 60 or 70 since above that would get a huge ticket in NY :(

That's really cheap fuel if you're talking dollars for a gallon, in the UK the equivalent is almost $10.

it's not cheap in the US though. heck 10 years ago when i was in college it was about $1 a gallon. also i think ppl in the US generally have to travel more by car than most europeans.

my accord is about 30ish mpg and it doesn't have any issues with speed or AC.Ontain

I'm talking about longevity/mechanical reliability not performance. Mercedes has/had a very bad record with that. Even in top end models - at least back in 2004 when I was researching new cars - they scored very low. Audi not so good either. The best rated european car at that time was the VW passat - top of its class for its category. But the VW jetta was a bust. Not sure of 2008/2009 models.

sonicare

Yeah i dont think this is accurate at all. Top Gear always make fun of Mercedes in mock-german accents going on about how insanely technical they are about getting every detail engineered to the most efficient it can be. Also, like i said, i googled it and Mercedes won most reliable car manufacturer in 2006.

[QUOTE="rom11"][QUOTE="l34052"][QUOTE="rom11"]

I just like all those Chryslers, Cadillacs and Chevys. But I like Bentley the most. Tell me some European car thats better than American cars?

l34052

How much time have u got, it could take a while theres so many.

Tell me 3.

1, 3, 5 series BMW, VW Golf GTI, Audi A4, RS4, RS6 and about a hundred more, thats not even countin the likes of Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo, Pagani, Bugatti, Koenigsegg....

That list just sucked way too much. I mean like you even listen Volkswagen? BMW is way too uncomfortable, stiff and those plastic parts creaks everywhere you lean. Those Italian sport cars are whole other thing but only rich people drive them.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="rom11"]

I didn't try to offend anybody, I just like all those Chryslers, Cadillacs and Chevys. But I like Bentley the most. Tell me some European car thats better than American cars?

rom11

I didn't say that you'd offended anyone. Calm down. :|

You seem to judging "quality" by just your impression at looking at a car. Cars made by the likes of Mercedes, Aston Martin, TVR, Ferrari and Porsche are all - generally - much better in terms of design and performance than american cars, which tend to have far, far more simplistic designs basically involving as big an engine as you can fit in a big, chunky body. Often resulting in a very powerful engine completely wasted on a car which isn't built for it, which is why they tend to be so unreliable.

Porsche, for example, once changed the material the little badge on the front of the car is made out of, because they calculated that it would better complement the car's weight distribution, providing better performance. Isn't that amazing?

What's good about Mercedeses design? Every Mercedes looks like same. At least Americans change it all the time. For example compare Chrysler 300M with 300C. And American cars are way more comfort than European ones, take it or leave it. Tell me, what's wrong with American cars performance?

American cars aren't any more comfortable than Euro ones and when has this:

ever looked like this:

[QUOTE="Ontain"]my accord is about 30ish mpg and it doesn't have any issues with speed or AC.Jandurin

that's like the super econo cars aren't they? well you do get what you pay for too hehe

That list just sucked way too much. I mean like you even listen Volkswagen? BMW is way too uncomfortable, stiff and those plastic parts creaks everywhere you lean.

rom11

What are you talking about? Companies like Fiat use plastic parts. Mercs and Audis and Ferraris are all about the leather, stainless steel and carbon fibre. The Audi Q7 i sat in the other week had an entire dashboard made of leather.

Also, you just said that these "suck way too much":

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

I'm talking about longevity/mechanical reliability not performance. Mercedes has/had a very bad record with that. Even in top end models - at least back in 2004 when I was researching new cars - they scored very low. Audi not so good either. The best rated european car at that time was the VW passat - top of its class for its category. But the VW jetta was a bust. Not sure of 2008/2009 models.

Ninja-Hippo

Yeah i dont think this is accurate at all. Top Gear always make fun of Mercedes in mock-german accents going on about how insanely technical they are about getting every detail engineered to the most efficient it can be. Also, like i said, i googled it and Mercedes won most reliable car manufacturer in 2006.

[QUOTE="rom11"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="rom11"]

I didn't try to offend anybody, I just like all those Chryslers, Cadillacs and Chevys. But I like Bentley the most. Tell me some European car thats better than American cars?

james28893

I didn't say that you'd offended anyone. Calm down. :|

You seem to judging "quality" by just your impression at looking at a car. Cars made by the likes of Mercedes, Aston Martin, TVR, Ferrari and Porsche are all - generally - much better in terms of design and performance than american cars, which tend to have far, far more simplistic designs basically involving as big an engine as you can fit in a big, chunky body. Often resulting in a very powerful engine completely wasted on a car which isn't built for it, which is why they tend to be so unreliable.

Porsche, for example, once changed the material the little badge on the front of the car is made out of, because they calculated that it would better complement the car's weight distribution, providing better performance. Isn't that amazing?

What's good about Mercedeses design? Every Mercedes looks like same. At least Americans change it all the time. For example compare Chrysler 300M with 300C. And American cars are way more comfort than European ones, take it or leave it. Tell me, what's wrong with American cars performance?

American cars aren't any more comfortable than Euro ones and when has this:

ever looked like this:

You don't have to go from extreme to extreme, and they still look at least a little same. Take some newer models and compare them.

that's like the super econo cars aren't they? well you do get what you pay for too heheOntain

That list just sucked way too much. I mean like you even listen Volkswagen? BMW is way too uncomfortable, stiff and those plastic parts creaks everywhere you lean. Those Italian sport cars are whole other thing but only rich people drive them.

rom11

U obviously have absolutely no idea what ur talkin about in that case, VW's are pretty much bomb proof and the Golf GTI is still the daddy of all the small hot hatches.

I spose u would say that a BMW is uncomfortable when compared to a soft wallowy american effort, its a widely known fact that BMW are known as some of the finest handling cars made but i spose that doesnt really matter does it:roll:

As for ur 'creaky plastic parts comment', like i said b4 u have to laugh uncontrollably at the irony or that statement:lol:

[QUOTE="rom11"]

That list just sucked way too much. I mean like you even listen Volkswagen? BMW is way too uncomfortable, stiff and those plastic parts creaks everywhere you lean.

Ninja-Hippo

What are you talking about? Companies like Fiat use plastic parts. Mercs and Audis and Ferraris are all about the leather, stainless steel and carbon fibre. The Audi Q7 i sat in the other week had an entire dashboard made of leather.

Also, you just said that these "suck way too much":

I was talking about cars what normal people drive not some cyber cars :lol: . Take ordinary American car and ordinary European car that common people drive. American one wins every time.

But Ninja, if you want pure driving fun, nothing IMHO tops the Porsche 911.sonicare

Definately. Though i had epic fun driving a mini cooper S. You dont have to break on corners at all. It just glides round anything. Even tiny little roundabouts.

[QUOTE="rom11"]

That list just sucked way too much. I mean like you even listen Volkswagen? BMW is way too uncomfortable, stiff and those plastic parts creaks everywhere you lean. Those Italian sport cars are whole other thing but only rich people drive them.

l34052

As for ur 'creaky plastic parts comment', like i said b4 u have to laugh uncontrollably at the irony or that statement:lol:

And that was just another painful truth what you try to turn into irony.

I was talking about cars what normal people drive not some cyber cars :lol: . Take ordinary American car and ordinary European car that common people drive. American one wins every time.

rom11

Fine. Both in the top 10 best selling cars in America and Europe respectively:

Yay for cheap, poorly built, generic sedans. :|

And that was just another painful truth what you try to turn into irony.

rom11

No, he is absolutely right. Audi interiors are absolutely godly. Everything is stainless steel, leather and carbon fibre. Same with BMWs and most Mercs. Your "creaky plastic parts" comments are just so very, very wrong.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="rom11"]

That list just sucked way too much. I mean like you even listen Volkswagen? BMW is way too uncomfortable, stiff and those plastic parts creaks everywhere you lean.

rom11

What are you talking about? Companies like Fiat use plastic parts. Mercs and Audis and Ferraris are all about the leather, stainless steel and carbon fibre. The Audi Q7 i sat in the other week had an entire dashboard made of leather.

Also, you just said that these "suck way too much":

I was talking about cars what normal people drive not some cyber cars :lol: . Take ordinary American car and ordinary European car that common people drive. American one wins every time.