American cars > European cars >> Japanese cars

Not really. VWs trounce most US brandshair001

[QUOTE="hair001"]Not really. VWs trounce most US brandsJandurin

How are they too small? Cars have become so big over the last 10 years with the emergence of 4x4s. You can fit your whole family in any car these days. Even a fiesta.

Then why do Japanese cars outlast American cars oh so easily?Jandurin

They dont outlast American cars, I actual have experience with both..do you have any proof to your claim..because I provided you with a quality report that people keep ignoring.

[QUOTE="Rekunta"]

FORD:

Fix Or Repair Daily

Found On Road Dead

Any others I'm forgetting?

PBSnipes

I don't know how people can support American car companies when they (at least Ford and GM) reserve their best cars for European/Australian markets. As for Chrysler, I think they make their interiors out of re-ground toothbrush handles.

Best? You mean worst, most of those cars that they make are compact eco cars which is good but hardly anything to brag about, were is the variety in those cars?

They dont outlast American cars, I actual have experience with both..Pro_wrestler

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

They dont outlast American cars, I actual have experience with both..do you have any proof to your claim..because I provided you with a quality report that people keep ignoring.

Pro_wrestler

It is a common and completely inrefutable fact that Japanese cars are way ahead of both European and American cars in terms of reliability. That is a fact. Stop with telling people to provide links and evidence to things which are simple facts.

If you cant even admit that Japanese cars are way more reliable than European and American cars, we should stop this discussion now as you clearly know nothing about cars at all.

[QUOTE="l34052"][QUOTE="rom11"]

That list just sucked way too much. I mean like you even listen Volkswagen? BMW is way too uncomfortable, stiff and those plastic parts creaks everywhere you lean. Those Italian sport cars are whole other thing but only rich people drive them.

rom11

As for ur 'creaky plastic parts comment', like i said b4 u have to laugh uncontrollably at the irony or that statement:lol:

And that was just another painful truth what you try to turn into irony.

Theres obviously no point tryin to tell u different because u seem to have been brain washed by the 'america does everythin better' ideas.

It looks like im stuck with my 04 creaky rubbish plastic BMW M3 whilst u wallow along in ur under engineered ancient american 'car'.

I dont know how i manage to get around at all with such a creaky rubbish car:roll:

wake me up when a USA car can do more than 100,000 mileage on the clock without a hesitation of breaking down, because my Ford Mustang completely flopped after 40,000 miles on the clock, that included full service history.RazMaTaz-1

My '97 BMW 318i just hit 100,000 a few weeks ago, and it is running strong like its bran new on the M44 motor.

My old '91 BMW's odometer broke at 147,000 miles before I got it, so I dont know how many miles were on it, but I do know that it had over 150,000 on the M42 motor, and it was still running strongeven after I sold it....

[QUOTE="rom11"]

I was talking about cars what normal people drive not some cyber cars :lol: . Take ordinary American car and ordinary European car that common people drive. American one wins every time.

Ninja-Hippo

Fine. Both in the top 10 best selling cars in America and Europe respectively:

Yay for cheap, poorly built, generic sedans. :|

More like:

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[QUOTE="Rekunta"]

FORD:

Fix Or Repair Daily

Found On Road Dead

Any others I'm forgetting?

PBSnipes

I don't know how people can support American car companies when they (at least Ford and GM) reserve their best cars for European/Australian markets. As for Chrysler, I think they make their interiors out of re-ground toothbrush handles.

Fiat

It is a common and completely inrefutable fact that Japanese cars are way ahead of both European and American cars in terms of reliability. That is a fact. Stop with telling people to provide links and evidence to things which are simple facts.

If you cant even admit that Japanese cars are way more reliable than European and American cars, we should stop this discussion now as you clearly know nothing about cars at all.

Ninja-Hippo

if they need a link heres one

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17385761/

survey of 1.3 million subscribers to Consumer Reports. i'd say that's better just any 1 person's experiences here.

[QUOTE="rom11"][QUOTE="l34052"][QUOTE="rom11"]

That list just sucked way too much. I mean like you even listen Volkswagen? BMW is way too uncomfortable, stiff and those plastic parts creaks everywhere you lean. Those Italian sport cars are whole other thing but only rich people drive them.

l34052

As for ur 'creaky plastic parts comment', like i said b4 u have to laugh uncontrollably at the irony or that statement:lol:

And that was just another painful truth what you try to turn into irony.

Theres obviously no point tryin to tell u different because u seem to have been brain washed by the 'america does everythin better' ideas.

It looks like im stuck with my 04 creaky rubbish plastic BMW M3 whilst u wallow along in ur under engineered ancient american 'car'.

I dont know how i manage to get around at all with such a creaky rubbish car:roll:

Sorry but American cars are good. Why it always must be like: Japanese person tells that they have best things, European ones tell that they have and so on... thats just stupid. And who will brainwash me in Finland anyway?

[QUOTE="Rekunta"]

FORD:

Fix Or Repair Daily

Found On Road Dead

Any others I'm forgetting?

PBSnipes

I don't know how people can support American car companies when they (at least Ford and GM) reserve their best cars for European/Australian markets. As for Chrysler, I think they make their interiors out of re-ground toothbrush handles.

Thats a Fiat, and you got that from watching too much King Of The Hill, and French cars are different from German and Italian cars. Although Fiats, Renalts, and Citrons are actually pretty reliable

Sorry but American cars are good. Why it always must be like: Japanese person tells that they have best things, European ones tell that they have and so on... thats just stupid.

rom11

I'm American. I live in Arizona, and with the experience I've had with the cars I've owned, European cars are better. American cars are kinda just cheap in the way they make them. And you can really tell a difference from driving one, then driving the other. European cars arn't (Although the ones they sell to America they skip on a few features that they offer to Europe)

Sorry but American cars are good. Why it always must be like: Japanese person tells that they have best things, European ones tell that they have and so on... thats just stupid.

rom11

They're big on technology inside them like HUD displays and electronic everythin else but thats only the garnish to finish the dish, the underlying ingredients are rubbish and thats the most important part.

Any american car, and i do mean ANY would fall over and die of shock if it drove through some of the roads we have in the UK or Europe, the chassis, brakes, suspension, steering just isnt up to the job.

[QUOTE="sonicare"]But Ninja, if you want pure driving fun, nothing IMHO tops the Porsche 911.Ninja-Hippo

Definately. Though i had epic fun driving a mini cooper S. You dont have to break on corners at all. It just glides round anything. Even tiny little roundabouts.

lol ive wanted a mini cooper s ever since i saw the remake of the Italian Job when it first came out.

[QUOTE="rom11"]

Sorry but American cars are good. Why it always must be like: Japanese person tells that they have best things, European ones tell that they have and so on... thats just stupid.

l34052

They're big on technology inside them like HUD displays and electronic everythin else but thats only the garnish to finish the dish, the underlying ingredients are rubbish and thats the most important part.

Any american car, and i do mean ANY would fall over and die of shock if it drove through some of the roads we have in the UK or Europe, the chassis, brakes, suspension, steering just isnt up to the job.

Hmm... I drive Chrysler 300M and in Finland we have twice as bad roads compared to UK and I spend summer in Estonia, there are twice as bad roads compared to Finland. I don't have any problems with this car...

[QUOTE="kruesader"]Europe>Japanese>>>American, its just how it is, BL GG.DrCoCoPiMp

the dude is right

No, I tend to believe it is all in how you take care of it.

[QUOTE="l34052"][QUOTE="rom11"]

Sorry but American cars are good. Why it always must be like: Japanese person tells that they have best things, European ones tell that they have and so on... thats just stupid.

rom11

They're big on technology inside them like HUD displays and electronic everythin else but thats only the garnish to finish the dish, the underlying ingredients are rubbish and thats the most important part.

Any american car, and i do mean ANY would fall over and die of shock if it drove through some of the roads we have in the UK or Europe, the chassis, brakes, suspension, steering just isnt up to the job.

Hmm... I drive Chrysler 300M and in Finland we have twice as bad roads compared to UK. I don't have any problems with this car...

And what America doesn't have bad roads???? :lol: Why don't you come to southeastern massachusetts I'll show you some bad roads!!!!

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Then why do Japanese cars outlast American cars oh so easily?Pro_wrestler

They dont outlast American cars, I actual have experience with both..do you have any proof to your claim..because I provided you with a quality report that people keep ignoring.

[QUOTE="Rekunta"]

FORD:

Fix Or Repair Daily

Found On Road Dead

Any others I'm forgetting?

PBSnipes

I don't know how people can support American car companies when they (at least Ford and GM) reserve their best cars for European/Australian markets. As for Chrysler, I think they make their interiors out of re-ground toothbrush handles.

Best? You mean worst, most of those cars that they make are compact eco cars which is good but hardly anything to brag about, were is the variety in those cars?

Uh the Ford Falcon and Holden Commodore(now the pontiac G8 ) absolutly trounce anything ford and GM have to offer in the sports sedans catogory

No, I tend to believe it is all in how you take care of it.

xscrapzx

[QUOTE="g-unit248"]any car can be reliable if you take care of it and any car can crap out at 50k miles if you dont, as for style and performance, its up for debateJandurin

Almost any Geo Prizm, Toyota, or Honda can outdo that.

Funny, we had a 1992 Toyota Corrola that died at 100,000. Of course we put more money into the car than what the car itself was worth so we just got something else.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="kruesader"]

How can I prove a general opinion? I could probably find something but I won't for now, what I am saying is that most American cars are just a large engine in a stylish body, there is very little passion or true design involved.

Ninja-Hippo

In that case, Japanese cars and European cars are internationally known for poor quality and performance. I can make up things aswell, since you can't prove what you said.

What he said is obviously true. What you said is completely false. :?

If its true then how come we've made it this far and I still see no proof. Unless someone's a mechanical engineer and can prove that a design if fault, the matter is subjective and you can only refer to the look of the car. :(

As for passion, just look at all the new cars from Chrysler, Ford and GM on how they reference back to the early days with modern, 21st century twist.
The Mustang: Using technology from the 60's but yet performs on par with cars that cost nearly twice as much.
Ford GT: Same design used 40 years ago yet its able to reach speeds of over 200mph, quicker to 60 than cars 2x the price and hundreds of horses more powerful. The first non-american street car that comes to mind that can completely spank a FGT is the Ferrari Enzo, which you won't find for under a mln.
Corvette: 0-150mph in 5th gear.
S7: Ferrari Enzo's twin.
Cadillac CTS- Basically built too take on European cars

Uh the Ford Falcon and Holden Commodore(now the pontiac G8) absolutly trounce anything ford and GM have to offer in the sports sedans catogory

FUBAR24

Touche...but aren't really competative in that area. GM is however.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

They dont outlast American cars, I actual have experience with both..do you have any proof to your claim..because I provided you with a quality report that people keep ignoring.

Ninja-Hippo

It is a common and completely inrefutable fact that Japanese cars are way ahead of both European and American cars in terms of reliability. That is a fact. Stop with telling people to provide links and evidence to things which are simple facts.

If you cant even admit that Japanese cars are way more reliable than European and American cars, we should stop this discussion now as you clearly know nothing about cars at all.

Stop using the word fact if you can't prove it, its that simple. My anecdote proves you wrong also, with my experience with Japanese cars and American cars, they both will last you if you take car of them. Each of them we've got into 100,000 miles..the Ford into well over 100,000.

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

No, I tend to believe it is all in how you take care of it.

Jandurin

according to consumer reports it would be Japanese cars.

Funny, we had a 1992 Toyota Corrola that died at 100,000. Pro_wrestler

Hmm... I drive Chrysler 300M and in Finland we have twice as bad roads compared to UK and I spend summer in Estonia, there are twice as bad roads compared to Finland. I don't have any problems with this car...

rom11

I neva mentioned bad roads, im talkin about the sweepin lanes and B roads etc and the long windy mountain roads in Europe that really make u glad ur a driver, the feelin of sweepin through a series of winding curves through the hills drivin on the edge of grip is simply unbeatable.

I stand by what i said that no american car could compete with a Euro car on roads like this.

Stop using the word fact if you can't prove it, its that simple.

Pro_wrestler

if they need a link heres one

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17385761/

survey of 1.3 million subscribers to Consumer Reports. i'd say that's better just any 1 person's experiences here.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

No, I tend to believe it is all in how you take care of it.

Ontain

according to consumer reports it would be Japanese cars.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="g-unit248"]any car can be reliable if you take care of it and any car can crap out at 50k miles if you dont, as for style and performance, its up for debatePro_wrestler

Almost any Geo Prizm, Toyota, or Honda can outdo that.

Funny, we had a 1992 Toyota Corrola that died at 100,000. Of course we put more money into the car than what the car itself was worth so we just got something else.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="kruesader"]

How can I prove a general opinion? I could probably find something but I won't for now, what I am saying is that most American cars are just a large engine in a stylish body, there is very little passion or true design involved.

Ninja-Hippo

In that case, Japanese cars and European cars are internationally known for poor quality and performance. I can make up things aswell, since you can't prove what you said.

What he said is obviously true. What you said is completely false. :?

If its true then how come we've made it this far and I still see no proof. Unless someone's a mechanical engineer and can prove that a design if fault, the matter is subjective and you can only refer to the look of the car. :(

As for passion, just look at all the new cars from Chrysler, Ford and GM on how they reference back to the early days with modern, 21st century twist.
The Mustang: Using technology from the 60's but yet performs on par with cars that cost nearly twice as much.
Ford GT: Same design used 40 years ago yet its able to reach speeds of over 200mph, quicker to 60 than cars 2x the price and hundreds of horses more powerful. The first non-american street car that comes to mind that can completely spank a FGT is the Ferrari Enzo, which you won't find for under a mln.
Corvette: 0-150mph in 5th gear.
S7: Ferrari Enzo's twin.
Cadillac CTS- Basically built too take on European cars

You know the original GT40 was designed by the Brits right? The CTS is indeed a step in the right direction but it's still not on par with something like a 3-Series for build quality. And we had a Beemer that lasted until 210,000 miles.

[QUOTE="rom11"]

Hmm... I drive Chrysler 300M and in Finland we have twice as bad roads compared to UK and I spend summer in Estonia, there are twice as bad roads compared to Finland. I don't have any problems with this car...

l34052

I neva mentioned bad roads, im talkin about the sweepin lanes and B roads etc and the long windy mountain roads in Europe that really make u glad ur a driver, the feelin of sweepin through a series of winding curves through the hills drivin on the edge of grip is simply unbeatable.

I stand by what i said that no american car could compete with a Euro car on roads like this.

Have you driven in any other country than UK with American car? Or have you even driven American car at all? Or is it all about patriotism?

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]Funny, we had a 1992 Toyota Corrola that died at 100,000. Jandurin

Sweet, my credibility just went up a few notches:)

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

Stop using the word fact if you can't prove it, its that simple.

Ontain

if they need a link heres one

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17385761/

survey of 1.3 million subscribers to Consumer Reports. i'd say that's better just any 1 person's experiences here.

I didn't say it wasn't better, I said it wasn't fact.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="g-unit248"]any car can be reliable if you take care of it and any car can crap out at 50k miles if you dont, as for style and performance, its up for debatePro_wrestler

Almost any Geo Prizm, Toyota, or Honda can outdo that.

Funny, we had a 1992 Toyota Corrola that died at 100,000. Of course we put more money into the car than what the car itself was worth so we just got something else.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="kruesader"]

How can I prove a general opinion? I could probably find something but I won't for now, what I am saying is that most American cars are just a large engine in a stylish body, there is very little passion or true design involved.

Ninja-Hippo

In that case, Japanese cars and European cars are internationally known for poor quality and performance. I can make up things aswell, since you can't prove what you said.

What he said is obviously true. What you said is completely false. :?

If its true then how come we've made it this far and I still see no proof. Unless someone's a mechanical engineer and can prove that a design if fault, the matter is subjective and you can only refer to the look of the car. :(

As for passion, just look at all the new cars from Chrysler, Ford and GM on how they reference back to the early days with modern, 21st century twist.
The Mustang: Using technology from the 60's but yet performs on par with cars that cost nearly twice as much.(Stock there is no way a mustang could out perform a BMW M3)

Ford GT: Same design used 40 years ago yet its able to reach speeds of over 200mph, quicker to 60 than cars 2x the price and hundreds of horses more powerful. The first non-american street car that comes to mind that can completely spank a FGT is the Ferrari Enzo, which you won't find for under a ml.(Uh Nissian GT-R is half the price but could own the GT as the GT has no handling whatsoever)

Corvette: 0-150mph in 5th gear.(who needs to reach 150 MPH on a daily basis)

S7: Ferrari Enzo's twin.(no...just no the S7 fits in with th Murcielago and the SLR)

Cadillac CTS- Basically built too take on European cars (This i will give you cause i love the new CTS, one of the few American cars i would ever consider buying)

[QUOTE="Ontain"]

if they need a link heres one

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17385761/

survey of 1.3 million subscribers to Consumer Reports. i'd say that's better just any 1 person's experiences here.

Pro_wrestler

I didn't say it wasn't better, I said it wasn't fact.

1.3 million experience >>>>>> than your experience.

greater sample size lead to more accurate representation. that's fact.

if you read the articale you'll see the facts that they gathered from this data.

Have you driven in any other country than UK with American car? Or have you even driven American car at all? Or is it all about patriotism?

rom11

Once a year my wife and i drive through Europe for 2 weeks with a couple of friends one of which has a 911 turbo (lucky so and so) and ive personally driven through, France, Austria, briefly in Switzerland, Italy and Spain so i have a pretty good idea of what im talkin about in this case.

I have driven an american car yes, it was in 94 when i was visitin some family in Chicago. A friend of my cousin had a 92 mustang which he let me drive, it was very fast in a straight line but everywhere else it just felt wrong in a bad way, the suspension was very floppy and the brakes would stop u, eventually, whilst the steering felt as if it was only partly connected to the rest of the car, needless to say i wasnt impressed.

Europe>Japanese>>>American, its just how it is, BL GG.kruesader

Agreed!

[QUOTE="rom11"]

Have you driven in any other country than UK with American car? Or have you even driven American car at all? Or is it all about patriotism?

l34052

Once a year my wife and i drive through Europe for 2 weeks with a couple of friends one of which has a 911 turbo (lucky so and so) and ive personally driven through, France, Austria, briefly in Switzerland, Italy and Spain so i have a pretty good idea of what im talkin about in this case.

I have driven an american car yes, it was in 94 when i was visitin some family in Chicago. A friend of my cousin had a 92 mustang which he let me drive, it was very fast in a straight line but everywhere else it just felt wrong in a bad way, the suspension was very floppy and the brakes would stop u, eventually, whilst the steering felt as if it was only partly connected to the rest of the car, needless to say i wasnt impressed.

So you have been driven only one American car and yet you start discussion about it...

[QUOTE="l34052"][QUOTE="rom11"]

Have you driven in any other country than UK with American car? Or have you even driven American car at all? Or is it all about patriotism?

rom11

Once a year my wife and i drive through Europe for 2 weeks with a couple of friends one of which has a 911 turbo (lucky so and so) and ive personally driven through, France, Austria, briefly in Switzerland, Italy and Spain so i have a pretty good idea of what im talkin about in this case.

I have driven an american car yes, it was in 94 when i was visitin some family in Chicago. A friend of my cousin had a 92 mustang which he let me drive, it was very fast in a straight line but everywhere else it just felt wrong in a bad way, the suspension was very floppy and the brakes would stop u, eventually, whilst the steering felt as if it was only partly connected to the rest of the car, needless to say i wasnt impressed.

So you have been driven only one American car and yet you start discussion about it...

Driving a Chrysler Neon in Canada and the UK were a few of the worst driving experiences of my life.

1.3 million experience >>>>>> than your experience.

greater sample size lead to more accurate representation. that's fact.

if you read the articale you'll see the facts that they gathered from this data.

Ontain

Your article: March. 1, 2007

My article: April 8th, 2008
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080405/AUTO01/804050355/1148

So you have been driven only one American car and yet you start discussion about it...

rom11

I dont have to drive every american car to have an opinion, me and the rest of the world outside america are pretty much unanimous in the opinion that american cars are no comparison to euro or japanese cars.

As i said before, why do u think only americans buy american cars???

[QUOTE="rom11"]

So you have been driven only one American car and yet you start discussion about it...

l34052

As i said before, why do u think only americans buy american cars???

Who said that I think that way?

Your article: March. 1, 2007

My article: April 8th, 2008
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080405/AUTO01/804050355/1148


Pro_wrestler

Most American cars are built to be mass produced daily drivers. Average commuter cars with average performance and average reliability for an average price. Comparing them to the likes of Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bugatti, Koenigsegg and the like really isn't comparing apples to apples. I don't know too many people who drive their Enzo down 8-Mile Road, dodging the cavernous potholes, to work everyday. If you're going to compare one country to another, please make sure you're comparing the same class of vehicles with each other.Bane_v2

Now this is what I was trying to say. Of course European cars are better if you compare Ferrari Enzo with Chrysler Neon.

[QUOTE="l34052"][QUOTE="rom11"]

So you have been driven only one American car and yet you start discussion about it...

rom11

As i said before, why do u think only americans buy american cars???

Who said that I think that way?

It was a rhetorical question not actually directed at u solely, anyway ur previous replies about 'creaky plastic rubbish interiors' etc etc answers ur question.

[QUOTE="Bane_v2"]Most American cars are built to be mass produced daily drivers. Average commuter cars with average performance and average reliability for an average price. Comparing them to the likes of Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bugatti, Koenigsegg and the like really isn't comparing apples to apples. I don't know too many people who drive their Enzo down 8-Mile Road, dodging the cavernous potholes, to work everyday. If you're going to compare one country to another, please make sure you're comparing the same class of vehicles with each other.rom11

Now this is what I was trying to say. Of course European cars are better if you compare Ferrari Enzo with Chrysler Neon.

What would you compare the Neon with then, a Vauxhall Astra? Because the Astra trumps it.

[QUOTE="rom11"]

[QUOTE="Bane_v2"]Most American cars are built to be mass produced daily drivers. Average commuter cars with average performance and average reliability for an average price. Comparing them to the likes of Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bugatti, Koenigsegg and the like really isn't comparing apples to apples. I don't know too many people who drive their Enzo down 8-Mile Road, dodging the cavernous potholes, to work everyday. If you're going to compare one country to another, please make sure you're comparing the same class of vehicles with each other.james28893

Now this is what I was trying to say. Of course European cars are better if you compare Ferrari Enzo with Chrysler Neon.

What would you compare the Neon with then, a Vauxhall Astra? Because the Astra trumps it.

I don't know but at least not with Ferrari Enzo...

[QUOTE="rom11"][QUOTE="l34052"][QUOTE="rom11"]

So you have been driven only one American car and yet you start discussion about it...

l34052

As i said before, why do u think only americans buy american cars???

Who said that I think that way?

It was a rhetorical question not actually directed at u solely, anyway ur previous replies about 'creaky plastic rubbish interiors' etc etc answers ur question.

Never said rubbish. I said it starts creaking whenever you lean and it's annoying.

[QUOTE="rom11"]

[QUOTE="Bane_v2"]Most American cars are built to be mass produced daily drivers. Average commuter cars with average performance and average reliability for an average price. Comparing them to the likes of Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bugatti, Koenigsegg and the like really isn't comparing apples to apples. I don't know too many people who drive their Enzo down 8-Mile Road, dodging the cavernous potholes, to work everyday. If you're going to compare one country to another, please make sure you're comparing the same class of vehicles with each other.james28893

Now this is what I was trying to say. Of course European cars are better if you compare Ferrari Enzo with Chrysler Neon.

What would you compare the Neon with then, a Vauxhall Astra? Because the Astra trumps it.

why an astra? what about bmw? audi? mercs?

you dont need to compare super cars with normal cars, europe has better motors is just about every class going, the only questionable one IMO is utility vehicles