America's music taste is degrading

[QUOTE="indzman"]

I always loved great American singers as Michael Jackson , Madonna , Tupac Shakur ETC . Even Backstreet Boys . Whole World used to love those artists .

No offense to American's , for god's sake ... whats wrong with American music nowadays ???

Why American music industry hyping and promoting worst singers as Justin Beiber , Lady Gaga , Rebecca Black and Lil Wayne ? What happened to finding real talents and promoting them instead ?

Thoughts ?

SapSacPrime

I always loved great American singers as Michael Jackson , Madonna , Tupac Shakur ETC . Even Backstreet Boys . Whole World used to love those artists .

No offense to American's , for god's sake ... whats wrong with American music nowadays ???

Why American music industry hyping and promoting worst singers as Justin Beiber , Lady Gaga , Rebecca Black and Lil Wayne ? What happened to finding real talents and promoting them instead ?

Thoughts ?

indzman

Oh, and of course, POP music is taking this to far and it isn't even about talent anymore, it's about who gets there name drawn from a hat and that person becomes a star, and the god awful POP artists are taking over at an amazing pace even though I still think the new Hip Hop is the highest genre.

[QUOTE="indzman"]

I always loved great American singers as Michael Jackson , Madonna , Tupac Shakur ETC . Even Backstreet Boys . Whole World used to love those artists .

No offense to American's , for god's sake ... whats wrong with American music nowadays ???

Why American music industry hyping and promoting worst singers as Justin Beiber , Lady Gaga , Rebecca Black and Lil Wayne ? What happened to finding real talents and promoting them instead ?

Thoughts ?

SapSacPrime

Are you kidding? I can understand not liking Michael Jackson, Madonna or Tupac, but to say they are equally as crap as Beiber, Rebecca Black and Lil Wayne is just absurd. All three of them wrote lots of songs that are legendary in their genres. There's a reason the first two are in the R&R Hall of Fame and on Rolling Stone's Immortals. (I know some people are going to talk crap about the R&R Hall of Fame and Rolling Stone, but you simply don't get R&R Hall of Fame recognition for being as bad as Rebecca Black. Period.)

I mean, do you really think that a song like Live To Tell or Like A Prayer or Billie Jean or Off The Wall is equally as bad as Friday? Really? If you answer yes, I'd say you have no sense of perspective.

Are you kidding? I can understand not liking Michael Jackson, Madonna or Tupac, but to say they are equally as crap as Beiber, Rebecca Black and Lil Wayne is just absurd. All three of them wrote lots of songs that are legendary in their genres. There's a reason the first two are in the R&R Hall of Fame and on Rolling Stone's Immortals. (I know some people are going to talk crap about the R&R Hall of Fame and Rolling Stone, but you simply don't get R&R Hall of Fame recognition for being as bad as Rebecca Black. Period.)

I mean, do you really think that a song like Live To Tell or Like A Prayer or Billie Jean or Off The Wall is equally as bad as Friday? Really? If you answer yes, I'd say you have no sense of perspective.

GreySeal9

Friday is a joke. You act like people actually think it is a good song. It's not a real song. It's was written by a guy who wanted to make money filming videos for kids so they could have their little pop idol fantasies. That song wasn't written to be good. Justin Beiber is 16. Of course he's not going to be as good as a lot of the people that came before him. He's a kid! You're comparing different calibers of musicians.

Madonna and Michale Jackson were good pop/dance artists. Tupac was a good rapper. But there are plenty plenty plenty of people filling their shoes and improving on their music.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Are you kidding? I can understand not liking Michael Jackson, Madonna or Tupac, but to say they are equally as crap as Beiber, Rebecca Black and Lil Wayne is just absurd. All three of them wrote lots of songs that are legendary in their genres. There's a reason the first two are in the R&R Hall of Fame and on Rolling Stone's Immortals. (I know some people are going to talk crap about the R&R Hall of Fame and Rolling Stone, but you simply don't get R&R Hall of Fame recognition for being as bad as Rebecca Black. Period.)

I mean, do you really think that a song like Live To Tell or Like A Prayer or Billie Jean or Off The Wall is equally as bad as Friday? Really? If you answer yes, I'd say you have no sense of perspective.

bebopoutlaw3gun

Friday is a joke. You act like people actually think it is a good song. It's not a real song. It's was written by a guy who wanted to make money filming videos for kids so they could have their little pop idol fantasies. That song wasn't written to be good. Justin Beiber is 16. Of course he's not going to be as good as a lot of the people that came before him. He's a kid! You're comparing different calibers of musicians.

Madonna and Michale Jackson were good pop/dance artists. Tupac was a good rapper. But there are plenty plenty plenty of people filling their shoes and improving on their music.

I realize this, which is why it is absurd for the guy I quoted to act like they are on the same level with Rebecce Black and Justin Beiber.

I'm not at all saying that people have to think Madonna, Michael and Tupac were the greatest things than sliced bread. I'm just saying that putting them on the same level as the girl who sang Friday shows a serious lack of perspective.

I blame the media for giving the lesser musicians the light. The very good groups or individuals takea back seat because for whatever reason the media decides to cover popular crap. Almost like call of duty of the gaming industry. Popularity =/= quality.

I never heard my favorite music on the radio, see it on tv, or used anywhere really.

I realize this, which is why it is absurd for the guy I quoted to act like they are on the same level with Rebecce Black and Justin Beiber.

I'm not at all saying that people have to think Madonna, Michael and Tupac were the greatest things than sliced bread. I'm just saying that putting them on the same level as the girl who sang Friday shows a serious lack of perspective.

GreySeal9

I guess my problem is the OP that tried to make it look like Rebecce Black, Justin Beiber, Lady Gaga (Who I really don't think is too terrible, her fans just bug the **** out of me sometimes.) and Lil Wayne are the one's that have taken the torch from the MJs and Madonnas. If someone wants to compare generations of pop music, they should compare the biggest, most popular acts. Rebecce Black and Justin Beiber are far from that.

It seems what the other guy was getting at is that there were better musicians than Madonna and MJ then and there are better artists than the pop acts we have now too.

It seems what the other guy was getting at is that there were better musicians than Madonna and MJ then and there are better artists than the pop acts we have now too.

bebopoutlaw3gun

[QUOTE="bebopoutlaw3gun"]

It seems what the other guy was getting at is that there were better musicians than Madonna and MJ then and there are better artists than the pop acts we have now too.

LJS9502_basic

According to you.

It has nothing to do with settling. I honestly think some pop is some of the best music out there.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="bebopoutlaw3gun"]

It seems what the other guy was getting at is that there were better musicians than Madonna and MJ then and there are better artists than the pop acts we have now too.

GreySeal9

According to you.

It has nothing to do with settling. I honestly think some pop is some of the best music out there.

According to YOU.

I think pop music is **** awful.

See? I can do that too.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]That is very true.....I mean one can settle for pop for their music interests...but there is much better out there.

marcogamer07

According to you.

It has nothing to do with settling. I honestly think some pop is some of the best music out there.

According to YOU.

I think pop music is **** awful.

See? I can do that too.

What exactly am I doing? I'm simply showing that one can genuinely think some pop is among the best music out there and not be "settling" for less. What exactly is the problem with my post?

I guess my problem is the OP that tried to make it look like Rebecce Black, Justin Beiber, Lady Gaga (Who I really don't think is too terrible, her fans just bug the **** out of me sometimes.) and Lil Wayne are the one's that have taken the torch from the MJs and Madonnas.If someone wants to compare generations of pop music, they should compare the biggest, most popular acts. Rebecce Black and Justin Beiber are far from that.

It seems what the other guy was getting at is that there were better musicians than Madonna and MJ then and there are better artists than the pop acts we have now too.

bebopoutlaw3gun

I have no problem with people thinking there are much better musicians. I can see why one would think that. I just thinking comparing pop stars that have dozens of legendary pop songs under their belts to Rebecca Black and Lil Wayne is quite silly.

[QUOTE="marcogamer07"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

According to you.

It has nothing to do with settling. I honestly think some pop is some of the best music out there.

GreySeal9

According to YOU.

I think pop music is **** awful.

See? I can do that too.

What exactly am I doing? I'm simply showing that one can genuinely think some pop is among the best music out there and not be "settling" for less. What exactly is the problem with my post?

My point is that basically, music is subjective. If you like Michael Jackson, Madonna and Tupac, then that is totally cool. To say that it's the best out there though would be plain wrong in my opinion. In my opinion, I think that pop music is the worst out there. There really is no wrong or right answer.

It just seems like you think you're right all the time in your posts. Kinda drives me nuts.

[QUOTE="bebopoutlaw3gun"]I guess my problem is the OP that tried to make it look like Rebecce Black, Justin Beiber, Lady Gaga (Who I really don't think is too terrible, her fans just bug the **** out of me sometimes.) and Lil Wayne are the one's that have taken the torch from the MJs and Madonnas.If someone wants to compare generations of pop music, they should compare the biggest, most popular acts. Rebecce Black and Justin Beiber are far from that.

It seems what the other guy was getting at is that there were better musicians than Madonna and MJ then and there are better artists than the pop acts we have now too.

GreySeal9

I have no problem with people thinking there are much better musicians. I can see why one would think that. I just thinking comparing pop stars that have dozens of legendary pop songs under their belts to Rebecca Black and Lil Wayne is quite silly.

So if they said that Madonna, Michael Jackson and Tupac were better than Rebecca Black and Lil' Wayne, would you start an argument about it?

I mean, they're still comparing the same artists, right?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="marcogamer07"]

According to YOU.

I think pop music is **** awful.

See? I can do that too.

marcogamer07

What exactly am I doing? I'm simply showing that one can genuinely think some pop is among the best music out there and not be "settling" for less. What exactly is the problem with my post?

My point is that basically, music is subjective. If you like Michael Jackson, Madonna and Tupac, then that is totally cool. To say that it's the best out there though would be plain wrong in my opinion. In my opinion, I think that pop music is the worst out there. There really is no wrong or right answer.

It just seems like you think you're right all the time in your posts. Kinda drives me nuts.

When did I do anything other than express my opinion? I clearly said "I think that some pop is some of the best music out there".

Please explain to me what in that statement indicates that I think I'm "right".

I was merely saying that simply because one enjoys pop doesn't mean that they are settling for less.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="bebopoutlaw3gun"]I guess my problem is the OP that tried to make it look like Rebecce Black, Justin Beiber, Lady Gaga (Who I really don't think is too terrible, her fans just bug the **** out of me sometimes.) and Lil Wayne are the one's that have taken the torch from the MJs and Madonnas.If someone wants to compare generations of pop music, they should compare the biggest, most popular acts. Rebecce Black and Justin Beiber are far from that.

It seems what the other guy was getting at is that there were better musicians than Madonna and MJ then and there are better artists than the pop acts we have now too.

marcogamer07

I have no problem with people thinking there are much better musicians. I can see why one would think that. I just thinking comparing pop stars that have dozens of legendary pop songs under their belts to Rebecca Black and Lil Wayne is quite silly.

So if they said that Madonna, Michael Jackson and Tupac were better than Rebecca Black and Lil' Wayne, would you start an argument about it?

I mean, they're still comparing the same artists, right?

No, I would agree.

I never heard my favorite music on the radio, see it on tv, or used anywhere really.

wis3boi

You have a Hayley Williams picture in your signature...is Paramore one of your favorite bands? Because they're pretty much everywhere.

Record companies promote what the consumer will buy in droves... the top 40 pop artists are really not the place to look for inspiring music. Its mostly radio friendly drivel intended for the masses.

I don't think american music is degrading this much. I think its maybe that "pop" music is taking a bigger and bigger space with the time. There has always been bad bands in 80's and 90's. But now withe Facebook,Twitter and TV we hear of them almost everyday. It's only that the good bands/singer doesn't get the attention they deserve!Frosweese

Good music is, and will always, continue to be made... It's just the mainstream poppy crap on the radio that you're complaining about, and that stuff has always been around. In any case, thank you for saying that Justin Bieber is American. He's actually my country's hell spawn, but we'll gladly attribute him to the States. We're still busy apologizing for Celine Dion and Nickelback. megagene

You're degrading, Lil Wayne is better than anything you listen to so hop off sir, get at me, I'm done.

[QUOTE="megagene"]Good music is, and will always, continue to be made... It's just the mainstream poppy crap on the radio that you're complaining about, and that stuff has always been around. In any case, thank you for saying that Justin Bieber is American. He's actually my country's hell spawn, but we'll gladly attribute him to the States. We're still busy apologizing for Celine Dion and Nickelback. mitu123

I think that was his point. :)

[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="megagene"]Good music is, and will always, continue to be made... It's just the mainstream poppy crap on the radio that you're complaining about, and that stuff has always been around. In any case, thank you for saying that Justin Bieber is American. He's actually my country's hell spawn, but we'll gladly attribute him to the States. We're still busy apologizing for Celine Dion and Nickelback. marcogamer07

I think that was his point. :)

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

People have said the same thing for 50 years...

Its true: your average person listens to crap... but so what? who cares... let them listen to crap and enjoy it...

DmadFearmonger

Lady Gaga>Folk Metal

It's a global phenomena ..... in the arab world good music has stopped 10-20 years ago ... now it's about saying anything in any direction and getting as naked as you can in front of the camera ... hell, in the past people used to stand and sing for hrs without moving a single muscle, it was about the voice, music and words.

I listen to metal and Lady Gaga. Do you have a problem with that?

yeah i know what u mean TC. and i dont know why everyone hates on the backstreet boys man they were pretty awesome. they used to be my favourite growing up. atleast they made actual songs that sound like songs and they seemed normal. not like all the freaks out there today like lady gaga. and lil wayne just sounds like hes moaning in every track, not to mention he looks like an alien monkey with aids that got scribbled on (how girls find him attractive is beyond me). i admit he used to bealright but after lollipop it just all went to crap. and now u see like a whole wave of lil wayne wannabees all these skinny dudes with tatoos everywhere making the most annoying voices possible and moaning on their beats.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="bebopoutlaw3gun"]

It seems what the other guy was getting at is that there were better musicians than Madonna and MJ then and there are better artists than the pop acts we have now too.

GreySeal9

According to you.

It has nothing to do with settling. I honestly think some pop is some of the best music out there.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]That is very true.....I mean one can settle for pop for their music interests...but there is much better out there.

LJS9502_basic

According to you.

It has nothing to do with settling. I honestly think some pop is some of the best music out there.

Who cares if it's about making money? Who cares if it's a formula? Who cares about not about stretching musically? Sure, it's nice if one stretches musically, but it's hardly essential and for some songs, might be out of place.

Honestly, you're not going to make me think some pop music is not the best music out there simply by listing these sort of factor. Motown is pop and I think that's some of the best songwriting ever. I think it is some of the best because of the sound and the melodies and the excellent vocals, not because of the factors you listed. The sound is the only thing that matters in the end.

Also, some pop music is made to appeal to the "lowest common denominator" but not all of it. Some of it does try to be creative. You're really engaging in an egregious generalization. It's possible to be creative yet still want to make money off of the music.

I honestly think you just need to deal with the fact that some people enjoy good pop music and are not "settling for less" and think it's some of the best music out there even if you disagree. You're not going to prove that notion wrong simply by saying that pop is to make money. If it sounds excellent, that doesn't matter.

The music industry has never been about finding "real talent". It's about finding stuff that sells; just look at the Spice Girls and the Backstreet Boys.

mAArdman

What is "real talent"?

The music industry does look or talent because much of the time, it is talent that sells.

For instance, Beyonce. She sells tons of records not only due to sex appeal (though I'm sure that's part of the equation), but due to the fact that she has a fantastic voice.

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Who cares if it's about making money? Who cares if it's a formula? Who cares about not about stretching musically? Sure, it's nice if one stretches musically, but it's hardly essential and for some songs, might be out of place.

Honestly, you're not going to make me think some pop music is not the best music out there simply by listing these sort of factor. Motown is pop and I think that's some of the best songwriting ever. I think it is some of the best because of the sound and the melodies and the excellent vocals, not because of the factors you listed. The sound is the only thing that matters in the end.

Also, some pop music is made to appeal to the "lowest common denominator" but not all of it. Some of it does try to be creative. You're really engaging in an egregious generalization. It's possible to be creative yet still want to make money off of the music.

I honestly think you just need to deal with the fact that some people enjoy good pop music and are not "settling for less" and think it's some of the best music out there even if you disagree. You're not going to prove that notion wrong simply by saying that pop is to make money. If it sounds excellent, that doesn't matter.

GreySeal9

Hey...we all grew up with the radio/TV and what the entertainment wanted us to hear/see. Some of us asked for more. And it's out there. Just not always available because executives decide where to spend the money. And that money is utilized to make not just a return but a profit.

Dude...you can like pop all you like. No one is telling you not to listen to it. But there IS much better music out there.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[

Who cares if it's about making money? Who cares if it's a formula? Who cares about not about stretching musically? Sure, it's nice if one stretches musically, but it's hardly essential and for some songs, might be out of place.

Honestly, you're not going to make me think some pop music is not the best music out there simply by listing these sort of factor. Motown is pop and I think that's some of the best songwriting ever. I think it is some of the best because of the sound and the melodies and the excellent vocals, not because of the factors you listed. The sound is the only thing that matters in the end.

Also, some pop music is made to appeal to the "lowest common denominator" but not all of it. Some of it does try to be creative. You're really engaging in an egregious generalization. It's possible to be creative yet still want to make money off of the music.

I honestly think you just need to deal with the fact that some people enjoy good pop music and are not "settling for less" and think it's some of the best music out there even if you disagree. You're not going to prove that notion wrong simply by saying that pop is to make money. If it sounds excellent, that doesn't matter.

LJS9502_basic

Hey...we all grew up with the radio/TV and what the entertainment wanted us to hear/see. Some of us asked for more. And it's out there. Just not always available because executives decide where to spend the money. And that money is utilized to make not just a return but a profit.

Dude...you can like pop all you like. No one is telling you not to listen to it. But there IS much better music out there.

Yes, you are generalizing. You made a claim about the entire genre. That qualifies as a generalization, does it not?

As for thebolded, again, that is your OPINION. I think that some pop (like Motown) is some of the best out there. Can you prove me wrong?

You claim that people can like what they want, but you seem quite interolerant of the opinion that pop can be some of the best music out there.

Value judgments on music are subjective. I don't see why you don't realize that.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[

Who cares if it's about making money? Who cares if it's a formula? Who cares about not about stretching musically? Sure, it's nice if one stretches musically, but it's hardly essential and for some songs, might be out of place.

Honestly, you're not going to make me think some pop music is not the best music out there simply by listing these sort of factor. Motown is pop and I think that's some of the best songwriting ever. I think it is some of the best because of the sound and the melodies and the excellent vocals, not because of the factors you listed. The sound is the only thing that matters in the end.

Also, some pop music is made to appeal to the "lowest common denominator" but not all of it. Some of it does try to be creative. You're really engaging in an egregious generalization. It's possible to be creative yet still want to make money off of the music.

I honestly think you just need to deal with the fact that some people enjoy good pop music and are not "settling for less" and think it's some of the best music out there even if you disagree. You're not going to prove that notion wrong simply by saying that pop is to make money. If it sounds excellent, that doesn't matter.

GreySeal9

Hey...we all grew up with the radio/TV and what the entertainment wanted us to hear/see. Some of us asked for more. And it's out there. Just not always available because executives decide where to spend the money. And that money is utilized to make not just a return but a profit.

Dude...you can like pop all you like. No one is telling you not to listen to it. But there IS much better music out there.

Yes, you are generalizing. You made a claim about the entire genre. That qualifies as a generalization, does it not?

As for thebolded, again, that is your OPINION. I think that some pop (like Motown) is some of the best out there. Can you prove me wrong?

You claim that people can like what they want, but you seem quite interolerant of the opinion that pop can be some of the best music out there.

Value judgments on music are subjective. I don't see why you don't realize that.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I'm not generalizing anything. Pop music...short for popular...ie mainstream IS about appealing to the lowest common denominator. All mainstream entertainment is...be it music, movies, TV, books.......the reason for that is if you don't appeal to the lowest common denominator you will not have much of a shelf life.

Hey...we all grew up with the radio/TV and what the entertainment wanted us to hear/see. Some of us asked for more. And it's out there. Just not always available because executives decide where to spend the money. And that money is utilized to make not just a return but a profit.

Dude...you can like pop all you like. No one is telling you not to listen to it. But there IS much better music out there.

LJS9502_basic

Yes, you are generalizing. You made a claim about the entire genre. That qualifies as a generalization, does it not?

As for thebolded, again, that is your OPINION. I think that some pop (like Motown) is some of the best out there. Can you prove me wrong?

You claim that people can like what they want, but you seem quite interolerant of the opinion that pop can be some of the best music out there.

Value judgments on music are subjective. I don't see why you don't realize that.

There is nothing objective about saying "there is much better music". That is an opinon, which is subjective. It's impossible for it to be objective. Why do you think it's objective? How can you prove it scientifically? If you can't prove it without you own opinion, it is not objective.

Again, that's there better music is your opinion and nothing more.

I'm not pushing any opinion onto anyone. I'm just saying that some people genuinely think that some pop is among the best and they're not neccesarily "settling" because that's what they like best.

How can you accuse me of pushing my taste and then turn around say that saying "there is better music out there" is objective? Trying to make your opinion fact is the epitome of pushing your tastes on others.

It's absurd that some people don't know the difference between objectivity and subjetivity.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Yes, you are generalizing. You made a claim about the entire genre. That qualifies as a generalization, does it not?

As for thebolded, again, that is your OPINION. I think that some pop (like Motown) is some of the best out there. Can you prove me wrong?

You claim that people can like what they want, but you seem quite interolerant of the opinion that pop can be some of the best music out there.

Value judgments on music are subjective. I don't see why you don't realize that.

GreySeal9

There is nothing objective about saying "there is much better music". That is an opinon, which is subjective. It's impossible for it to be objective. Why do you think it's objective? How can you prove it scientifically? If you can't prove it without you own opinion, it is not objective.

Again, that's there better music is your opinion and nothing more.

I'm not pushing any opinion onto anyone. I'm just saying that some people genuinely think that some pop is among the best and they're not neccesarily "settling" because that's what they like best.

How can you accuse me of pushing my taste and then turn around say that saying "there is better music out there" is objective? Trying to make your opinion fact is the epitome of pushing your tastes on others.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I don't care what you listen to dude....but you seem to be the one pushing your music taste on others and telling them pop isn't what it is. And from an objective view...the bolded is true. Subjectively...it's opinion.

LJS9502_basic

There is nothing objective about saying "there is much better music". That is an opinon, which is subjective. It's impossible for it to be objective. Why do you think it's objective? How can you prove it scientifically? If you can't prove it without you own opinion, it is not objective.

Again, that's there better music is your opinion and nothing more.

I'm not pushing any opinion onto anyone. I'm just saying that some people genuinely think that some pop is among the best and they're not neccesarily "settling" because that's what they like best.

How can you accuse me of pushing my taste and then turn around say that saying "there is better music out there" is objective? Trying to make your opinion fact is the epitome of pushing your tastes on others.

Not at all. Whether one thinks someone is talented or not is a subjective judgment.

How would you you prove "objectively" how one piece of music or one artist is better than another without using subjectivity?

Any way you slice it,

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

There is nothing objective about saying "there is much better music". That is an opinon, which is subjective. It's impossible for it to be objective. Why do you think it's objective? How can you prove it scientifically? If you can't prove it without you own opinion, it is not objective.

Again, that's there better music is your opinion and nothing more.

I'm not pushing any opinion onto anyone. I'm just saying that some people genuinely think that some pop is among the best and they're not neccesarily "settling" because that's what they like best.

How can you accuse me of pushing my taste and then turn around say that saying "there is better music out there" is objective? Trying to make your opinion fact is the epitome of pushing your tastes on others.

GreySeal9

Not at all. Whether one thinks someone is talented or not is a subjective judgment.

How would you you prove "objectively" how one piece of music or one artist is better than another without using subjectivity?

Any way you slice it,

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]That's not true. There IS a variation objectively between talent and non talent.LJS9502_basic

Not at all. Whether one thinks someone is talented or not is a subjective judgment.

How would you you prove "objectively" how one piece of music or one artist is better than another without using subjectivity?

Any way you slice it,

The idea of "singing better" is a subjective judgment. Unless you can quanitify it being "better", it is nothing more than an opinion.

Objectivity does not contain opinion.

If you think it is a fact that there is better music out there, why don't you prove that to me?

One of my favorite pop songs is "I Second That Emotion" by Smokey Robinson. Why not select a song you think is better and prove that it is objectively better?

There is still real music out there, it's just that Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga are the current pop-stars flooding the market. They will fade away in a couple years.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Not at all. Whether one thinks someone is talented or not is a subjective judgment.

How would you you prove "objectively" how one piece of music or one artist is better than another without using subjectivity?

Any way you slice it,

GreySeal9

The idea of "singing better" is a subjective judgment. Unless you can quanitify it being "better", it is nothing more than an opinion.

Objectivity does not contain opinion.

If you think it is a fact that there is better music out there, why don't you prove that to me?

One of my favorite pop songs is "I Second That Emotion" by Smokey Robinson. Why not select a song you think is better and prove that it is objectively better?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Someone singing in key is better than one who is not.GreySeal9

The idea of "singing better" is a subjective judgment. Unless you can quanitify it being "better", it is nothing more than an opinion.