Americas obsession with guns.

[QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"][QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="Sajedene"]

Why do anti gun people think that all pro gun people are responsible for murders because they own a gun?

Sajedene

why are pro gun people paranoid of people breaking into their houses?

if we where in a warzone then its okay to own a gun

So you're saying home invasion isn't a threat in the United States?

You've never even been here, have you?

I lived in LA for 10 years you dont need a gun

What part? I live in LA too. Its pretty chill here unless you live in a bad neighborhood. But seriously... what is the most cliche line people say when a crime happens...

"YOU ALWAYS HEAR IT HAPPEN TO OTHER PEOPLE... I NEVER THOUGHT IT WOULD HAPPEN TO ME." (add to that... "THIS IS SUCH A SAFE NEIGHBORHOOD")

I lived in a apartment in east la for a 2 years when I was a cadet on the container ships, the other 8 I lived in long beach

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]

Why do anti gun people think that all pro gun people are responsible for murders because they own a gun?

alexmurray

why are pro gun people paranoid of people breaking into their houses?

if we where in a warzone then its okay to own a gun

Because when you've had you're house robbed once, you take measures to make sure it isn't going to happen again. Or when you live in an area that is prone to break-ins, you'll take the precaution of having a firearm for safety measures. I'd much prefer my odds with a gun at my side facing a robber or a murderer than to be without one. Much better to be prepared than to live my life unprepared and then be suddenly surprised by the hap-circumstance that I should be robbed or worse. I'd much rather see the headlines read "Attempted robbery, suspect shot and apprehended" than to see "House robbed, homeowner's found dead."

[QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"][QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="Sajedene"]

Why do anti gun people think that all pro gun people are responsible for murders because they own a gun?

Sajedene

why are pro gun people paranoid of people breaking into their houses?

if we where in a warzone then its okay to own a gun

So you're saying home invasion isn't a threat in the United States?

You've never even been here, have you?

I lived in LA for 10 years you dont need a gun

What part? I live in LA too. Its pretty chill here unless you live in a bad neighborhood. But seriously... what is the most cliche line people say when a crime happens...

"YOU ALWAYS HEAR IT HAPPEN TO OTHER PEOPLE... I NEVER THOUGHT IT WOULD HAPPEN TO ME." (add to that... "THIS IS SUCH A SAFE NEIGHBORHOOD")

Bingo :D I'd rather be a person who gets to say "Well I never thought it would happen to me, but that doesn't mean I wasn't going to be prepared for it if it were to happen." I don't want to be that unprepared person that says "I never thought it'd happen to me."

guns protect us from all the robbers trying to break into everyone's homes every single night to murder-burgle us!

Perhaps America should regulate their firearms a little more rigerously?

Getting a firearm in America is a joke compared to just about any nation on earth. Guns aren't going to dissapear anytime soon in the states, too much resistance. So how about you do the next best thing and try a little bit harder to not give guns to angry teenagers wearing trench coats.

People don't get shot if people don't have guns, keep repeating that in your head guys... I know it's quite complex but I'm sure at some point you'll understand it.Brainkiller05

People will still get shot with guns obtained illegally.

The only way to stop people from obtaining guns illegally is to stop manufacturing guns (everywhere in the world).

If we stop manufacturing guns - then that means the armies of the world can not have any guns (now maybe you will see why us "pro gun" people bring this up).

This is much more complex -- but a genius like you to come up with your logic should be able to comprehend this.

I personally do think some people do and anyone that says its in the name of self defence is talking BS. I mean do they really need guns? blakout3

Not every American owns a gun and just because someone does it doesn't mean that they want to shoot people. The people who want to shoot others probably belong to some sort of gang or would commit a crime regardless of whether they had a gun or not. I watched a documentary (an episode of "30 Days" by the creator of "Supersize Me") about a woman who was an anti-gun advocate who volunteered to be a part of the show and live with a family of gun owners for 30 days (hence the name of the show). Over the course of the show she shared her opinions about how being a gun owner in the US was not necessary while visiting other gun owners and listening to their stories. One family she visited seemed like a normal middle class family. The head of the household was a very non-threatening man who had a normal office job. He was originally hesitant about buying a gun but decided to purchase one anyway. One night while he was eating dinner with his family a man broke into their house with the intent to shoot and kill the man's entire family. The stranger and the man exchanged fire in the kitchen (his 9mm was nearby) which caused the man to flee (he was shot but was wearing body armor). Later the family found out that the stranger had broken into a house before and after their own experience killing 4-6 people in the process (I don't remember the exact number).

By the end of the show the woman went from being "I believe that we shouldn't own guns" to "I think that is alright to own a gun but they need to be regulated so criminals can't get them." My point being that it is perfectly legitimate to buy a gun for self-defense. I don't think America is obsessed with guns but being a country that has been forged through a revolution and a civil war, the gun has definately played a major role. With that in mind it is not really surprising that many Americans choose to own guns.

Because when you've had you're house robbed once, you take measures to make sure it isn't going to happen again. Or when you live in an area that is prone to break-ins, you'll take the precaution of having a firearm for safety measures. I'd much prefer my odds with a gun at my side facing a robber or a murderer than to be without one. Much better to be prepared than to live my life unprepared and then be suddenly surprised by the hap-circumstance that I should be robbed or worse. I'd much rather see the headlines read "Attempted robbery, suspect shot and apprehended" than to see "House robbed, homeowner's found dead."

Exactly. Even the prospect of coming face to face with a homeowner with a gun is enough to scare most robbers and criminals away without a shot ever being fired. I can tell you that if I broke into someone's house and they had a gun pointed at me I would get the **** out and wouldn't look back.

[QUOTE="blakout3"]I personally do think some people do and anyone that says its in the name of self defence is talking BS. I mean do they really need guns? ChevelleFan

Not every American owns a gun and just because someone does it doesn't mean that they want to shoot people. The people who want to shoot others probably belong to some sort of gang or would commit a crime regardless of whether they had a gun or not. I watched a documentary (an episode of "30 Days" by the creator of "Supersize Me") about a woman who was an anti-gun advocate who volunteered to be a part of the show and live with a family of gun owners for 30 days (hence the name of the show). Over the course of the show she shared her opinions about how being a gun owner in the US was not necessary while visiting other gun owners and listening to their stories. One family she visited seemed like a normal middle class family. The head of the household was a very non-threatening man who had a normal office job. He was originally hesitant about buying a gun but decided to purchase one anyway. One night while he was eating dinner with his family a man broke into their house with the intent to shoot and kill the man's entire family. The stranger and the man exchanged fire in the kitchen (his 9mm was nearby) which caused the man to flee (he was shot but was wearing body armor). Later the family found out that the stranger had broken into a house before and after their own experience killing 4-6 people in the process (I don't remember the exact number).

By the end of the show the woman went from being "I believe that we shouldn't own guns" to "I think that is alright to own a gun but they need to be regulated so criminals can't get them." My point being that it is perfectly legitimate to buy a gun for self-defense. I don't think America is obsessed with guns but being a country that has been forged through a revolution and a civil war, the gun has definately played a major role. With that in mind it is not really surprising that many Americans choose to own guns.

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]People don't get shot if people don't have guns, keep repeating that in your head guys... I know it's quite complex but I'm sure at some point you'll understand it.Sajedene

People will still get shot with guns obtained illegally.

The only way to stop people from obtaining guns illegally is to stop manufacturing guns (everywhere in the world).

If we stop manufacturing guns - then that means the armies of the world can not have any guns (now maybe you will see why us "pro gun" people bring this up).

This is much more complex -- but a genius like you to come up with your logic should be able to comprehend this.

While you're both posting some naive stuff, you have to admit he has a point.

Countries that DON'T have borderline freedom regarding guns tend to have lower levels of gun crime.

Nope.

I think the entire world has an obsession with guns.

[QUOTE="ChevelleFan"]

[QUOTE="blakout3"]I personally do think some people do and anyone that says its in the name of self defence is talking BS. I mean do they really need guns? albi321

Not every American owns a gun and just because someone does it doesn't mean that they want to shoot people. The people who want to shoot others probably belong to some sort of gang or would commit a crime regardless of whether they had a gun or not. I watched a documentary (an episode of "30 Days" by the creator of "Supersize Me") about a woman who was an anti-gun advocate who volunteered to be a part of the show and live with a family of gun owners for 30 days (hence the name of the show). Over the course of the show she shared her opinions about how being a gun owner in the US was not necessary while visiting other gun owners and listening to their stories. One family she visited seemed like a normal middle class family. The head of the household was a very non-threatening man who had a normal office job. He was originally hesitant about buying a gun but decided to purchase one anyway. One night while he was eating dinner with his family a man broke into their house with the intent to shoot and kill the man's entire family. The stranger and the man exchanged fire in the kitchen (his 9mm was nearby) which caused the man to flee (he was shot but was wearing body armor). Later the family found out that the stranger had broken into a house before and after their own experience killing 4-6 people in the process (I don't remember the exact number).

By the end of the show the woman went from being "I believe that we shouldn't own guns" to "I think that is alright to own a gun but they need to be regulated so criminals can't get them." My point being that it is perfectly legitimate to buy a gun for self-defense. I don't think America is obsessed with guns but being a country that has been forged through a revolution and a civil war, the gun has definately played a major role. With that in mind it is not really surprising that many Americans choose to own guns.

Do you honestly think that the concept of murder didn't come about until guns were invented?? Killing has been around since the dawn of man. Again guns don't kill people...people kill people.

[QUOTE="ChevelleFan"]

[QUOTE="blakout3"]I personally do think some people do and anyone that says its in the name of self defence is talking BS. I mean do they really need guns? albi321

Not every American owns a gun and just because someone does it doesn't mean that they want to shoot people. The people who want to shoot others probably belong to some sort of gang or would commit a crime regardless of whether they had a gun or not. I watched a documentary (an episode of "30 Days" by the creator of "Supersize Me") about a woman who was an anti-gun advocate who volunteered to be a part of the show and live with a family of gun owners for 30 days (hence the name of the show). Over the course of the show she shared her opinions about how being a gun owner in the US was not necessary while visiting other gun owners and listening to their stories. One family she visited seemed like a normal middle class family. The head of the household was a very non-threatening man who had a normal office job. He was originally hesitant about buying a gun but decided to purchase one anyway. One night while he was eating dinner with his family a man broke into their house with the intent to shoot and kill the man's entire family. The stranger and the man exchanged fire in the kitchen (his 9mm was nearby) which caused the man to flee (he was shot but was wearing body armor). Later the family found out that the stranger had broken into a house before and after their own experience killing 4-6 people in the process (I don't remember the exact number).

By the end of the show the woman went from being "I believe that we shouldn't own guns" to "I think that is alright to own a gun but they need to be regulated so criminals can't get them." My point being that it is perfectly legitimate to buy a gun for self-defense. I don't think America is obsessed with guns but being a country that has been forged through a revolution and a civil war, the gun has definately played a major role. With that in mind it is not really surprising that many Americans choose to own guns.

The psycho CAN get a gun. Even if you stopped every civilian sanctioned dealer and production facility, destroyed all the guns you could find, and then made laws where they searched for guns entering the county, they would still get in the country. It's impossible. So long as one single military produces guns some will be traded by a high up figure for some extra cash, and so long as there are wars there are excess guns left behind at dumpsites that can eventually be panned out.

There's also the fact that you can't find every illegal firearm even if you wanted to and had all the bloodhounds of the world, and no coastal and borderline defense is perfect as there is the human element, easily allowing a simple payoff to get hundreds of thousands of guns into the country. Now noone but the criminals and insane have guns.

You have accomplished nothing but stripping valid owners of their only defense, as they now have knives and clubs.

[QUOTE="albi321"][QUOTE="ChevelleFan"]

[QUOTE="blakout3"]I personally do think some people do and anyone that says its in the name of self defence is talking BS. I mean do they really need guns? crazygamer1

Not every American owns a gun and just because someone does it doesn't mean that they want to shoot people. The people who want to shoot others probably belong to some sort of gang or would commit a crime regardless of whether they had a gun or not. I watched a documentary (an episode of "30 Days" by the creator of "Supersize Me") about a woman who was an anti-gun advocate who volunteered to be a part of the show and live with a family of gun owners for 30 days (hence the name of the show). Over the course of the show she shared her opinions about how being a gun owner in the US was not necessary while visiting other gun owners and listening to their stories. One family she visited seemed like a normal middle class family. The head of the household was a very non-threatening man who had a normal office job. He was originally hesitant about buying a gun but decided to purchase one anyway. One night while he was eating dinner with his family a man broke into their house with the intent to shoot and kill the man's entire family. The stranger and the man exchanged fire in the kitchen (his 9mm was nearby) which caused the man to flee (he was shot but was wearing body armor). Later the family found out that the stranger had broken into a house before and after their own experience killing 4-6 people in the process (I don't remember the exact number).

By the end of the show the woman went from being "I believe that we shouldn't own guns" to "I think that is alright to own a gun but they need to be regulated so criminals can't get them." My point being that it is perfectly legitimate to buy a gun for self-defense. I don't think America is obsessed with guns but being a country that has been forged through a revolution and a civil war, the gun has definately played a major role. With that in mind it is not really surprising that many Americans choose to own guns.

Do you honestly think that the concept of murder didn't come about until guns were invented?? Killing has been around since the dawn of man. Again guns don't kill people...people kill people.

[QUOTE="ChevelleFan"]

[QUOTE="blakout3"]I personally do think some people do and anyone that says its in the name of self defence is talking BS. I mean do they really need guns? albi321

Not every American owns a gun and just because someone does it doesn't mean that they want to shoot people. The people who want to shoot others probably belong to some sort of gang or would commit a crime regardless of whether they had a gun or not. I watched a documentary (an episode of "30 Days" by the creator of "Supersize Me") about a woman who was an anti-gun advocate who volunteered to be a part of the show and live with a family of gun owners for 30 days (hence the name of the show). Over the course of the show she shared her opinions about how being a gun owner in the US was not necessary while visiting other gun owners and listening to their stories. One family she visited seemed like a normal middle class family. The head of the household was a very non-threatening man who had a normal office job. He was originally hesitant about buying a gun but decided to purchase one anyway. One night while he was eating dinner with his family a man broke into their house with the intent to shoot and kill the man's entire family. The stranger and the man exchanged fire in the kitchen (his 9mm was nearby) which caused the man to flee (he was shot but was wearing body armor). Later the family found out that the stranger had broken into a house before and after their own experience killing 4-6 people in the process (I don't remember the exact number).

By the end of the show the woman went from being "I believe that we shouldn't own guns" to "I think that is alright to own a gun but they need to be regulated so criminals can't get them." My point being that it is perfectly legitimate to buy a gun for self-defense. I don't think America is obsessed with guns but being a country that has been forged through a revolution and a civil war, the gun has definately played a major role. With that in mind it is not really surprising that many Americans choose to own guns.

I highly doubt that a gun motivated him. Besides, a criminal will find a gun if they want one. Many guns are obtained illegally (probably more than the amount of legally sold guns) and it would not be hard to find someone to sell you one. All countries as a whole would have to decide to collectively stop making guns (not going to happen). If it wasn't a gun, then it would have probably been a knife. My point is, like I said before, that criminals will commit a crime regardless of whether they have a gun or not. Even if guns were illegal in the US I highly doubt that criminals would have a hard time getting them elsewhere. I think the whole point here is that many people think that Americans are obsessed with guns which is simply not the case. It just like every other stereotype such as "all Americans are fat" or "most Americans are stupid backward people."

[QUOTE="crazygamer1"][QUOTE="albi321"][QUOTE="ChevelleFan"]

[QUOTE="blakout3"]I personally do think some people do and anyone that says its in the name of self defence is talking BS. I mean do they really need guns? albi321

Not every American owns a gun and just because someone does it doesn't mean that they want to shoot people. The people who want to shoot others probably belong to some sort of gang or would commit a crime regardless of whether they had a gun or not. I watched a documentary (an episode of "30 Days" by the creator of "Supersize Me") about a woman who was an anti-gun advocate who volunteered to be a part of the show and live with a family of gun owners for 30 days (hence the name of the show). Over the course of the show she shared her opinions about how being a gun owner in the US was not necessary while visiting other gun owners and listening to their stories. One family she visited seemed like a normal middle class family. The head of the household was a very non-threatening man who had a normal office job. He was originally hesitant about buying a gun but decided to purchase one anyway. One night while he was eating dinner with his family a man broke into their house with the intent to shoot and kill the man's entire family. The stranger and the man exchanged fire in the kitchen (his 9mm was nearby) which caused the man to flee (he was shot but was wearing body armor). Later the family found out that the stranger had broken into a house before and after their own experience killing 4-6 people in the process (I don't remember the exact number).

By the end of the show the woman went from being "I believe that we shouldn't own guns" to "I think that is alright to own a gun but they need to be regulated so criminals can't get them." My point being that it is perfectly legitimate to buy a gun for self-defense. I don't think America is obsessed with guns but being a country that has been forged through a revolution and a civil war, the gun has definately played a major role. With that in mind it is not really surprising that many Americans choose to own guns.

Do you honestly think that the concept of murder didn't come about until guns were invented?? Killing has been around since the dawn of man. Again guns don't kill people...people kill people.

The guy could've just as easily entered the house with a pipebomb instead, and now they don't even have a chance in hell.

[QUOTE="albi321"][QUOTE="ChevelleFan"]

[QUOTE="blakout3"]I personally do think some people do and anyone that says its in the name of self defence is talking BS. I mean do they really need guns? ChevelleFan

Not every American owns a gun and just because someone does it doesn't mean that they want to shoot people. The people who want to shoot others probably belong to some sort of gang or would commit a crime regardless of whether they had a gun or not. I watched a documentary (an episode of "30 Days" by the creator of "Supersize Me") about a woman who was an anti-gun advocate who volunteered to be a part of the show and live with a family of gun owners for 30 days (hence the name of the show). Over the course of the show she shared her opinions about how being a gun owner in the US was not necessary while visiting other gun owners and listening to their stories. One family she visited seemed like a normal middle class family. The head of the household was a very non-threatening man who had a normal office job. He was originally hesitant about buying a gun but decided to purchase one anyway. One night while he was eating dinner with his family a man broke into their house with the intent to shoot and kill the man's entire family. The stranger and the man exchanged fire in the kitchen (his 9mm was nearby) which caused the man to flee (he was shot but was wearing body armor). Later the family found out that the stranger had broken into a house before and after their own experience killing 4-6 people in the process (I don't remember the exact number).

By the end of the show the woman went from being "I believe that we shouldn't own guns" to "I think that is alright to own a gun but they need to be regulated so criminals can't get them." My point being that it is perfectly legitimate to buy a gun for self-defense. I don't think America is obsessed with guns but being a country that has been forged through a revolution and a civil war, the gun has definately played a major role. With that in mind it is not really surprising that many Americans choose to own guns.

I highly doubt that a gun motivated him. Besides, a criminal will find a gun if they want one. Many guns are obtained illegally (probably more than the amount of legally sold guns) and it would not be hard to find someone to sell you one. All countries as a whole would have to decide to collectively stop making guns (not going to happen). If it wasn't a gun, then it would have probably been a knife. My point is, like I said before, that criminals will commit a crime regardless of whether they have a gun or not. Even if guns were illegal in the US I highly doubt that criminals would have a hard time getting them elsewhere. I think the whole point here is that many people think that Americans are obsessed with guns which is simply not the case. It just like every other stereotype such as "all Americans are fat" or "most Americans are stupid backward people."

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]People don't get shot if people don't have guns, keep repeating that in your head guys... I know it's quite complex but I'm sure at some point you'll understand it.RKfromDownunder

People will still get shot with guns obtained illegally.

The only way to stop people from obtaining guns illegally is to stop manufacturing guns (everywhere in the world).

If we stop manufacturing guns - then that means the armies of the world can not have any guns (now maybe you will see why us "pro gun" people bring this up).

This is much more complex -- but a genius like you to come up with your logic should be able to comprehend this.

While you're both posting some naive stuff, you have to admit he has a point.

Countries that DON'T have borderline freedom regarding guns tend to have lower levels of gun crime.

I think the UK has had the highest amount of stabbings than anywhere in the world. Crime is much less now than befoe but that is a result of cameras being on every street corner in London.

People don't get shot if people don't have guns, keep repeating that in your head guys... I know it's quite complex but I'm sure at some point you'll understand it.Brainkiller05

Guess what idiot, Criminals and people who REALLY want guns can and will get guns, there is a black market out there and I dont think there is one way it can be stopped.

Limiting or removing the 2nd amendment would not only be a travesty and a crime but it would be one of the darkest times in our nations history as more right will be taken and limited

[QUOTE="ChevelleFan"]

[QUOTE="blakout3"]I personally do think some people do and anyone that says its in the name of self defence is talking BS. I mean do they really need guns? albi321

Not every American owns a gun and just because someone does it doesn't mean that they want to shoot people. The people who want to shoot others probably belong to some sort of gang or would commit a crime regardless of whether they had a gun or not. I watched a documentary (an episode of "30 Days" by the creator of "Supersize Me") about a woman who was an anti-gun advocate who volunteered to be a part of the show and live with a family of gun owners for 30 days (hence the name of the show). Over the course of the show she shared her opinions about how being a gun owner in the US was not necessary while visiting other gun owners and listening to their stories. One family she visited seemed like a normal middle class family. The head of the household was a very non-threatening man who had a normal office job. He was originally hesitant about buying a gun but decided to purchase one anyway. One night while he was eating dinner with his family a man broke into their house with the intent to shoot and kill the man's entire family. The stranger and the man exchanged fire in the kitchen (his 9mm was nearby) which caused the man to flee (he was shot but was wearing body armor). Later the family found out that the stranger had broken into a house before and after their own experience killing 4-6 people in the process (I don't remember the exact number).

By the end of the show the woman went from being "I believe that we shouldn't own guns" to "I think that is alright to own a gun but they need to be regulated so criminals can't get them." My point being that it is perfectly legitimate to buy a gun for self-defense. I don't think America is obsessed with guns but being a country that has been forged through a revolution and a civil war, the gun has definately played a major role. With that in mind it is not really surprising that many Americans choose to own guns.

I would not want to wrestle a psycho who is holding a knife(my guess for next weapon). Also, he COULD get a gun.

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]People don't get shot if people don't have guns, keep repeating that in your head guys... I know it's quite complex but I'm sure at some point you'll understand it.Buyugold

Guess what idiot, Criminals and people who REALLY want guns can and will get guns, there is a black market out there and I dont think there is one way it can be stopped.

Limiting or removing the 2nd amendment would not only be a travesty and a crime but it would be one of the darkest times in our nations history as more right will be taken and limited

Yeah, I'm already not allowed to grow certain plants for no reason, might as well make it illegal to own a gun that I've hurt noone with, and while we're at it I shouldn't be allowed to drive. I may go out and commit manslaughter!

[QUOTE="albi321"][QUOTE="ChevelleFan"]

[QUOTE="blakout3"]I personally do think some people do and anyone that says its in the name of self defence is talking BS. I mean do they really need guns? AgileNate

Not every American owns a gun and just because someone does it doesn't mean that they want to shoot people. The people who want to shoot others probably belong to some sort of gang or would commit a crime regardless of whether they had a gun or not. I watched a documentary (an episode of "30 Days" by the creator of "Supersize Me") about a woman who was an anti-gun advocate who volunteered to be a part of the show and live with a family of gun owners for 30 days (hence the name of the show). Over the course of the show she shared her opinions about how being a gun owner in the US was not necessary while visiting other gun owners and listening to their stories. One family she visited seemed like a normal middle class family. The head of the household was a very non-threatening man who had a normal office job. He was originally hesitant about buying a gun but decided to purchase one anyway. One night while he was eating dinner with his family a man broke into their house with the intent to shoot and kill the man's entire family. The stranger and the man exchanged fire in the kitchen (his 9mm was nearby) which caused the man to flee (he was shot but was wearing body armor). Later the family found out that the stranger had broken into a house before and after their own experience killing 4-6 people in the process (I don't remember the exact number).

By the end of the show the woman went from being "I believe that we shouldn't own guns" to "I think that is alright to own a gun but they need to be regulated so criminals can't get them." My point being that it is perfectly legitimate to buy a gun for self-defense. I don't think America is obsessed with guns but being a country that has been forged through a revolution and a civil war, the gun has definately played a major role. With that in mind it is not really surprising that many Americans choose to own guns.

I would not want to wrestle a psycho who is holding a knife. Also, he COULD get a gun.

Canada has no gun problem at all. People who are worried about getting blasted should move there, because Americans will never give up there guns.GrindingAxe

I couldn't agree more, if you hate guns LEAVE!!!! We don't want you, you are useless, LEAVE!!!

[QUOTE="AgileNate"][QUOTE="albi321"][QUOTE="ChevelleFan"]

[QUOTE="blakout3"]I personally do think some people do and anyone that says its in the name of self defence is talking BS. I mean do they really need guns? albi321

Not every American owns a gun and just because someone does it doesn't mean that they want to shoot people. The people who want to shoot others probably belong to some sort of gang or would commit a crime regardless of whether they had a gun or not. I watched a documentary (an episode of "30 Days" by the creator of "Supersize Me") about a woman who was an anti-gun advocate who volunteered to be a part of the show and live with a family of gun owners for 30 days (hence the name of the show). Over the course of the show she shared her opinions about how being a gun owner in the US was not necessary while visiting other gun owners and listening to their stories. One family she visited seemed like a normal middle class family. The head of the household was a very non-threatening man who had a normal office job. He was originally hesitant about buying a gun but decided to purchase one anyway. One night while he was eating dinner with his family a man broke into their house with the intent to shoot and kill the man's entire family. The stranger and the man exchanged fire in the kitchen (his 9mm was nearby) which caused the man to flee (he was shot but was wearing body armor). Later the family found out that the stranger had broken into a house before and after their own experience killing 4-6 people in the process (I don't remember the exact number).

By the end of the show the woman went from being "I believe that we shouldn't own guns" to "I think that is alright to own a gun but they need to be regulated so criminals can't get them." My point being that it is perfectly legitimate to buy a gun for self-defense. I don't think America is obsessed with guns but being a country that has been forged through a revolution and a civil war, the gun has definately played a major role. With that in mind it is not really surprising that many Americans choose to own guns.

I would not want to wrestle a psycho who is holding a knife. Also, he COULD get a gun.

No, I'd kill him before he killed me.

With one of my five guns.

[QUOTE="AgileNate"][QUOTE="albi321"][QUOTE="ChevelleFan"]

[QUOTE="blakout3"]I personally do think some people do and anyone that says its in the name of self defence is talking BS. I mean do they really need guns? albi321

Not every American owns a gun and just because someone does it doesn't mean that they want to shoot people. The people who want to shoot others probably belong to some sort of gang or would commit a crime regardless of whether they had a gun or not. I watched a documentary (an episode of "30 Days" by the creator of "Supersize Me") about a woman who was an anti-gun advocate who volunteered to be a part of the show and live with a family of gun owners for 30 days (hence the name of the show). Over the course of the show she shared her opinions about how being a gun owner in the US was not necessary while visiting other gun owners and listening to their stories. One family she visited seemed like a normal middle class family. The head of the household was a very non-threatening man who had a normal office job. He was originally hesitant about buying a gun but decided to purchase one anyway. One night while he was eating dinner with his family a man broke into their house with the intent to shoot and kill the man's entire family. The stranger and the man exchanged fire in the kitchen (his 9mm was nearby) which caused the man to flee (he was shot but was wearing body armor). Later the family found out that the stranger had broken into a house before and after their own experience killing 4-6 people in the process (I don't remember the exact number).

By the end of the show the woman went from being "I believe that we shouldn't own guns" to "I think that is alright to own a gun but they need to be regulated so criminals can't get them." My point being that it is perfectly legitimate to buy a gun for self-defense. I don't think America is obsessed with guns but being a country that has been forged through a revolution and a civil war, the gun has definately played a major role. With that in mind it is not really surprising that many Americans choose to own guns.

I would not want to wrestle a psycho who is holding a knife. Also, he COULD get a gun.

I would have a better chance with a gun. thats if he would even attempt after noticing I can shoot him as well.

[QUOTE="albi321"][QUOTE="AgileNate"][QUOTE="albi321"][QUOTE="ChevelleFan"]

[QUOTE="blakout3"]I personally do think some people do and anyone that says its in the name of self defence is talking BS. I mean do they really need guns? -TheSecondSign-

Not every American owns a gun and just because someone does it doesn't mean that they want to shoot people. The people who want to shoot others probably belong to some sort of gang or would commit a crime regardless of whether they had a gun or not. I watched a documentary (an episode of "30 Days" by the creator of "Supersize Me") about a woman who was an anti-gun advocate who volunteered to be a part of the show and live with a family of gun owners for 30 days (hence the name of the show). Over the course of the show she shared her opinions about how being a gun owner in the US was not necessary while visiting other gun owners and listening to their stories. One family she visited seemed like a normal middle class family. The head of the household was a very non-threatening man who had a normal office job. He was originally hesitant about buying a gun but decided to purchase one anyway. One night while he was eating dinner with his family a man broke into their house with the intent to shoot and kill the man's entire family. The stranger and the man exchanged fire in the kitchen (his 9mm was nearby) which caused the man to flee (he was shot but was wearing body armor). Later the family found out that the stranger had broken into a house before and after their own experience killing 4-6 people in the process (I don't remember the exact number).

By the end of the show the woman went from being "I believe that we shouldn't own guns" to "I think that is alright to own a gun but they need to be regulated so criminals can't get them." My point being that it is perfectly legitimate to buy a gun for self-defense. I don't think America is obsessed with guns but being a country that has been forged through a revolution and a civil war, the gun has definately played a major role. With that in mind it is not really surprising that many Americans choose to own guns.

I would not want to wrestle a psycho who is holding a knife. Also, he COULD get a gun.

No, I'd kill him before he killed me.

With one of my five guns.

Interwebz high five!

Whether it is legal to own guns or not, criminals will still get them.needled24-7

thats the truth

Soon to be six, actually. One more handgun on the way, and it's a nice one.

I personally do think some people do and anyone that says its in the name of self defence is talking BS. I mean do they really need guns? blakout3

my dad protected me and my brother once from a man breaking into the house that was going after my dad. he just got out of jail and was going to try and beat my dad for dating his ex girlfried. my dad scared him off with a gun, who knows what could have heppened without my dad having a gun to protect us.

i really don't think guns as self defense is BS.

Yeah, America does have a scary obsession with firearms.ElectronicMagic

not anymore than they do with reality tv...which is worse.

i don't see what's scary about people liking guns as a hobby. they are fun to shoot, and they also have practical reasons like protecting your family.

people do get really mad when you threaten to take them away, but that's because there is no reason to take them away. how would you like it if the government said we can't drive cars anymore because we could hurt someone? you wouldn't like that very much.

I learned to shoot a rifle before I learned to ride a bike

And believe it or not, people often buy guns for recreation as much as self defense, if not more. At least once a month I spend upwards to $250 on ammunition shooting down range.

[QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"]Yeah, America does have a scary obsession with firearms.lilburtonboy748

not anymore than they do with reality tv...which is worse.

i don't see what's scary about people liking guns as a hobby. they are fun to shoot, and they also have practical reasons like protecting your family.

people do get really mad when you threaten to take them away, but that's because there is no reason to take them away. how would you like it if the government said we can't drive cars anymore because we could hurt someone? you wouldn't like that very much.

I find it scary because so many people have guns and there isn't a reason for them to. I'm afraid of upsetting someone that owns a gun and then having them come and shoot me. I'd hate to be someone's "last straw". People don't need them to hunt because after the industrial revolution, that reason doesn't legitimize owning firearms anymore. And self defense I think I totally a BS reason, 99% of the time there is no one you need to defend yourself against that you couldn't defend yourself against without a gun.

And for those 1 out of 10 times that you need something to help defend yourself, there are plenty of non-lethal ways to defend yourself, even from someone else who has a gun. I wouldn't mind if the government took cars away, I honestly hate driving and having no cars would really open up the roads and would do a great deal to get rid of pollution. Even if the government took away something that I like, like video games, I would be upset at first, but after a month I wouldn't care. I would find something else to do with my time. I have had this argument many times and I don't plan on doing it again. I was just giving my opinion that America has a scary obsession with firearms. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

[QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"]Yeah, America does have a scary obsession with firearms.lilburtonboy748

not anymore than they do with reality tv...which is worse.

i don't see what's scary about people liking guns as a hobby. they are fun to shoot, and they also have practical reasons like protecting your family.

people do get really mad when you threaten to take them away, but that's because there is no reason to take them away. how would you like it if the government said we can't drive cars anymore because we could hurt someone? you wouldn't like that very much.

When I'm better off, I would like to start a collection with every kind of firearm from blackpowder Civil War era to modern weapons.

[QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]

[QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"]Yeah, America does have a scary obsession with firearms.-TheSecondSign-

not anymore than they do with reality tv...which is worse.

i don't see what's scary about people liking guns as a hobby. they are fun to shoot, and they also have practical reasons like protecting your family.

people do get really mad when you threaten to take them away, but that's because there is no reason to take them away. how would you like it if the government said we can't drive cars anymore because we could hurt someone? you wouldn't like that very much.

When I'm better off, I would like to start a collection with every kind of firearm from blackpowder Civil War era to modern weapons.

that would be awesome....but by the time you're better off...they'll probably be mostly illegal.

i bought an M16 and a glock 9mm last month :)

[QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]

[QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"]Yeah, America does have a scary obsession with firearms.ElectronicMagic

not anymore than they do with reality tv...which is worse.

i don't see what's scary about people liking guns as a hobby. they are fun to shoot, and they also have practical reasons like protecting your family.

people do get really mad when you threaten to take them away, but that's because there is no reason to take them away. how would you like it if the government said we can't drive cars anymore because we could hurt someone? you wouldn't like that very much.

I find it scary because so many people have guns and there isn't a reason for them to. I'm afraid of upsetting someone that owns a gun and then having them come and shoot me. I'd hate to be someone's "last straw". People don't need them to hunt because after the industrial revolution, that reason doesn't legitimize owning firearms anymore. And self defense I think I totally a BS reason, 99% of the time there is no one you need to defend yourself against that you couldn't defend yourself against without a gun.

And for those 1 out of 10 times that you need something to help defend yourself, there are plenty of non-lethal ways to defend yourself, even from someone else who has a gun. I wouldn't mind if the government took cars away, I honestly hate driving and having no cars would really open up the roads and would do a great deal to get rid of pollution. Even if the government took away something that I like, like video games, I would be upset at first, but after a month I wouldn't care. I would find something else to do with my time. I have had this argument many times and I don't plan on doing it again. I was just giving my opinion that America has a scary obsession with firearms. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

[QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]

[QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"]Yeah, America does have a scary obsession with firearms.ElectronicMagic

not anymore than they do with reality tv...which is worse.

i don't see what's scary about people liking guns as a hobby. they are fun to shoot, and they also have practical reasons like protecting your family.

people do get really mad when you threaten to take them away, but that's because there is no reason to take them away. how would you like it if the government said we can't drive cars anymore because we could hurt someone? you wouldn't like that very much.

I find it scary because so many people have guns and there isn't a reason for them to. I'm afraid of upsetting someone that owns a gun and then having them come and shoot me. I'd hate to be someone's "last straw". People don't need them to hunt because after the industrial revolution, that reason doesn't legitimize owning firearms anymore. And self defense I think I totally a BS reason, 99% of the time there is no one you need to defend yourself against that you couldn't defend yourself against without a gun.

And for those 1 out of 10 times that you need something to help defend yourself, there are plenty of non-lethal ways to defend yourself, even from someone else who has a gun. I wouldn't mind if the government took cars away, I honestly hate driving and having no cars would really open up the roads and would do a great deal to get rid of pollution. Even if the government took away something that I like, like video games, I would be upset at first, but after a month I wouldn't care. I would find something else to do with my time. I have had this argument many times and I don't plan on doing it again. I was just giving my opinion that America has a scary obsession with firearms. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

wait....who ever put you in charge of deciding than we can only own items that we need? you don't need your computer, get off. I'm sorry that you're paranoid about upsetting one of the few people that carries a gun around with them. But the people that do those sort of things usually aren't allowed to own guns in the first place.

As for hunting, we know we don't need to hunt. But it's a hobby. Do you need to play video games? Things aren't based on need, they are based on desire. You have no business telling someone they can't hunt as a hobby. It does not hurt you...only the animals.

As for guns not being used in defense....I'll assume you're young or live in a small town. I've said this before on here, but when you have a family you will understand. There is a possibility that when you live in a big city, someone may try to harm you. Since I don't really care about myself, I'm fine with that. But I would never live in a house without a gun because my wife means everything to me. If I need a gun some day to protect her, I'll own one illegally if I have to. It's just like insurance. I may or may not run into trouble, but for the sake of my wife, I will own one.

As for not caring about the government taking stuff away from you...that's sad. You are one of the people running this country into the dirt. Let the government take whatever they want away from you...be mad for a week, then just let them do it. They have no way to justify taking things from us, and it's sad that people like you just don't care.

[QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]

[QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"]Yeah, America does have a scary obsession with firearms.albi321

not anymore than they do with reality tv...which is worse.

i don't see what's scary about people liking guns as a hobby. they are fun to shoot, and they also have practical reasons like protecting your family.

people do get really mad when you threaten to take them away, but that's because there is no reason to take them away. how would you like it if the government said we can't drive cars anymore because we could hurt someone? you wouldn't like that very much.

I find it scary because so many people have guns and there isn't a reason for them to. I'm afraid of upsetting someone that owns a gun and then having them come and shoot me. I'd hate to be someone's "last straw". People don't need them to hunt because after the industrial revolution, that reason doesn't legitimize owning firearms anymore. And self defense I think I totally a BS reason, 99% of the time there is no one you need to defend yourself against that you couldn't defend yourself against without a gun.

And for those 1 out of 10 times that you need something to help defend yourself, there are plenty of non-lethal ways to defend yourself, even from someone else who has a gun. I wouldn't mind if the government took cars away, I honestly hate driving and having no cars would really open up the roads and would do a great deal to get rid of pollution. Even if the government took away something that I like, like video games, I would be upset at first, but after a month I wouldn't care. I would find something else to do with my time. I have had this argument many times and I don't plan on doing it again. I was just giving my opinion that America has a scary obsession with firearms. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

usually gun shots don't kill people...and not only that, but who cares? if someone violates your rights by attacking you, stealing from you, or anything else, they have given up their rights. who cares if you kill them? they are volunteering to any type of punishment by violating someone's rights.

[QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]

[QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"]Yeah, America does have a scary obsession with firearms.ElectronicMagic

not anymore than they do with reality tv...which is worse.

i don't see what's scary about people liking guns as a hobby. they are fun to shoot, and they also have practical reasons like protecting your family.

people do get really mad when you threaten to take them away, but that's because there is no reason to take them away. how would you like it if the government said we can't drive cars anymore because we could hurt someone? you wouldn't like that very much.

I find it scary because so many people have guns and there isn't a reason for them to. I'm afraid of upsetting someone that owns a gun and then having them come and shoot me. I'd hate to be someone's "last straw". People don't need them to hunt because after the industrial revolution, that reason doesn't legitimize owning firearms anymore. And self defense I think I totally a BS reason, 99% of the time there is no one you need to defend yourself against that you couldn't defend yourself against without a gun.

And for those 1 out of 10 times that you need something to help defend yourself, there are plenty of non-lethal ways to defend yourself, even from someone else who has a gun. I wouldn't mind if the government took cars away, I honestly hate driving and having no cars would really open up the roads and would do a great deal to get rid of pollution. Even if the government took away something that I like, like video games, I would be upset at first, but after a month I wouldn't care. I would find something else to do with my time. I have had this argument many times and I don't plan on doing it again. I was just giving my opinion that America has a scary obsession with firearms. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

People who carry guns guns in public either has a CCW or is carrying it illegaly. Anyone with a CCW won't be stupid enough to try and shoot you for no reason. First rule of concealed carry is you always try to flee a confrontation before even pulling out your gun. And they don't give a CCW out to stupid red necks that doesn't know their left from their right. So you'rejust being paranoid thinking that some guy is gonna shoot you.

And self defense I think I totally a BS reason, 99% of the time there is no one you need to defend yourself against that you couldn't defend yourself against without a gun.

So you're saying that if a psycho was coming after you with a knife you'd be fine with having an old fashion knife fight with him?
The point of having a gun for defense is to keep space between you and the attacker so you have less of a chance to be harmed. And don't lie, if some psycho with a knife was coming after you, and you had a gun and knife with you. You'd choose the gun in a heartbeat
And you're home made stats are what I call total BS

And you do realise the economy woud collapse if we abolished cars right? There is this thing called infrastrucutre, which nearly all of the US infrastructure is based around the automobile.

[QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]

[QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"]Yeah, America does have a scary obsession with firearms.Infinite-Zr0

not anymore than they do with reality tv...which is worse.

i don't see what's scary about people liking guns as a hobby. they are fun to shoot, and they also have practical reasons like protecting your family.

people do get really mad when you threaten to take them away, but that's because there is no reason to take them away. how would you like it if the government said we can't drive cars anymore because we could hurt someone? you wouldn't like that very much.

I find it scary because so many people have guns and there isn't a reason for them to. I'm afraid of upsetting someone that owns a gun and then having them come and shoot me. I'd hate to be someone's "last straw". People don't need them to hunt because after the industrial revolution, that reason doesn't legitimize owning firearms anymore. And self defense I think I totally a BS reason, 99% of the time there is no one you need to defend yourself against that you couldn't defend yourself against without a gun.

And for those 1 out of 10 times that you need something to help defend yourself, there are plenty of non-lethal ways to defend yourself, even from someone else who has a gun. I wouldn't mind if the government took cars away, I honestly hate driving and having no cars would really open up the roads and would do a great deal to get rid of pollution. Even if the government took away something that I like, like video games, I would be upset at first, but after a month I wouldn't care. I would find something else to do with my time. I have had this argument many times and I don't plan on doing it again. I was just giving my opinion that America has a scary obsession with firearms. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

People who carry guns guns in public either has a CCW or is carrying it illegaly. Anyone with a CCW won't be stupid enough to try and shoot you for no reason. First rule of concealed carry is you always try to flee a confrontation before even pulling out your gun. And they don't give a CCW out to stupid red necks that doesn't know their left from their right. So you'rejust being paranoid thinking that some guy is gonna shoot you.

And self defense I think I totally a BS reason, 99% of the time there is no one you need to defend yourself against that you couldn't defend yourself against without a gun.

So you're saying that if a psycho was coming after you with a knife you'd be fine with having an old fashion knife fight with him?
The point of having a gun for defense is to keep space between you and the attacker so you have less of a chance to be harmed. And don't lie, if some psycho with a knife was coming after you, and you had a gun and knife with you. You'd choose the gun in a heartbeat
And you're home made stats are what I call total BS

And you do realise the economy woud collapse if we abolished cars right? There is this thing called infrastrucutre, which nearly all of the US infrastructure is based around the automobile.

this guy said he'd be fine if the government took away our cars and made driving illegal....ignore him

If I were personally given the choice, I'd remove the Second Amendment from the Constitution. I hate guns. Dark_Knight6

yea me too