Americas obsession with guns.

wait....who ever put you in charge of deciding than we can only own items that we need? you don't need your computer, get off. I'm sorry that you're paranoid about upsetting one of the few people that carries a gun around with them. But the people that do those sort of things usually aren't allowed to own guns in the first place.

As for hunting, we know we don't need to hunt. But it's a hobby. Do you need to play video games? Things aren't based on need, they are based on desire. You have no business telling someone they can't hunt as a hobby. It does not hurt you...only the animals.

As for guns not being used in defense....I'll assume you're young or live in a small town. I've said this before on here, but when you have a family you will understand. There is a possibility that when you live in a big city, someone may try to harm you. Since I don't really care about myself, I'm fine with that. But I would never live in a house without a gun because my wife means everything to me. If I need a gun some day to protect her, I'll own one illegally if I have to. It's just like insurance. I may or may not run into trouble, but for the sake of my wife, I will own one.

As for not caring about the government taking stuff away from you...that's sad. You are one of the people running this country into the dirt. Let the government take whatever they want away from you...be mad for a week, then just let them do it. They have no way to justify taking things from us, and it's sad that people like you just don't care.

lilburtonboy748

Well said!

[QUOTE="albi321"][QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]

[QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"]Yeah, America does have a scary obsession with firearms.lilburtonboy748

not anymore than they do with reality tv...which is worse.

i don't see what's scary about people liking guns as a hobby. they are fun to shoot, and they also have practical reasons like protecting your family.

people do get really mad when you threaten to take them away, but that's because there is no reason to take them away. how would you like it if the government said we can't drive cars anymore because we could hurt someone? you wouldn't like that very much.

I find it scary because so many people have guns and there isn't a reason for them to. I'm afraid of upsetting someone that owns a gun and then having them come and shoot me. I'd hate to be someone's "last straw". People don't need them to hunt because after the industrial revolution, that reason doesn't legitimize owning firearms anymore. And self defense I think I totally a BS reason, 99% of the time there is no one you need to defend yourself against that you couldn't defend yourself against without a gun.

And for those 1 out of 10 times that you need something to help defend yourself, there are plenty of non-lethal ways to defend yourself, even from someone else who has a gun. I wouldn't mind if the government took cars away, I honestly hate driving and having no cars would really open up the roads and would do a great deal to get rid of pollution. Even if the government took away something that I like, like video games, I would be upset at first, but after a month I wouldn't care. I would find something else to do with my time. I have had this argument many times and I don't plan on doing it again. I was just giving my opinion that America has a scary obsession with firearms. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

usually gun shots don't kill people...and not only that, but who cares? if someone violates your rights by attacking you, stealing from you, or anything else, they have given up their rights. who cares if you kill them? they are volunteering to any type of punishment by violating someone's rights.

[QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="albi321"][QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]

[QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"]Yeah, America does have a scary obsession with firearms.albi321

not anymore than they do with reality tv...which is worse.

i don't see what's scary about people liking guns as a hobby. they are fun to shoot, and they also have practical reasons like protecting your family.

people do get really mad when you threaten to take them away, but that's because there is no reason to take them away. how would you like it if the government said we can't drive cars anymore because we could hurt someone? you wouldn't like that very much.

I find it scary because so many people have guns and there isn't a reason for them to. I'm afraid of upsetting someone that owns a gun and then having them come and shoot me. I'd hate to be someone's "last straw". People don't need them to hunt because after the industrial revolution, that reason doesn't legitimize owning firearms anymore. And self defense I think I totally a BS reason, 99% of the time there is no one you need to defend yourself against that you couldn't defend yourself against without a gun.

And for those 1 out of 10 times that you need something to help defend yourself, there are plenty of non-lethal ways to defend yourself, even from someone else who has a gun. I wouldn't mind if the government took cars away, I honestly hate driving and having no cars would really open up the roads and would do a great deal to get rid of pollution. Even if the government took away something that I like, like video games, I would be upset at first, but after a month I wouldn't care. I would find something else to do with my time. I have had this argument many times and I don't plan on doing it again. I was just giving my opinion that America has a scary obsession with firearms. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

usually gun shots don't kill people...and not only that, but who cares? if someone violates your rights by attacking you, stealing from you, or anything else, they have given up their rights. who cares if you kill them? they are volunteering to any type of punishment by violating someone's rights.

it has nothing to do with material possessions...it has to do with them violating my rights. they know what they are doing, and are consenting to the danger of someone being armed. poverty is no excuse for anything...so don't even try.

So you value material possessions more than a human life? People tend to turn to crime because of poverty or other reasons, killing them isn't the answer.albi321

Ha... I value MY life, MY family's life, and MY friend's life over the life of a hungry stranger when it comes down to it. Selfish? If you see it that way... then go be a martyr and know that your life has fed some guy (or bought him his next fix of drugs-- but thats irrelevant at this point, right?)

[QUOTE="albi321"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="albi321"][QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]

[QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"]Yeah, America does have a scary obsession with firearms.lilburtonboy748

not anymore than they do with reality tv...which is worse.

i don't see what's scary about people liking guns as a hobby. they are fun to shoot, and they also have practical reasons like protecting your family.

people do get really mad when you threaten to take them away, but that's because there is no reason to take them away. how would you like it if the government said we can't drive cars anymore because we could hurt someone? you wouldn't like that very much.

I find it scary because so many people have guns and there isn't a reason for them to. I'm afraid of upsetting someone that owns a gun and then having them come and shoot me. I'd hate to be someone's "last straw". People don't need them to hunt because after the industrial revolution, that reason doesn't legitimize owning firearms anymore. And self defense I think I totally a BS reason, 99% of the time there is no one you need to defend yourself against that you couldn't defend yourself against without a gun.

And for those 1 out of 10 times that you need something to help defend yourself, there are plenty of non-lethal ways to defend yourself, even from someone else who has a gun. I wouldn't mind if the government took cars away, I honestly hate driving and having no cars would really open up the roads and would do a great deal to get rid of pollution. Even if the government took away something that I like, like video games, I would be upset at first, but after a month I wouldn't care. I would find something else to do with my time. I have had this argument many times and I don't plan on doing it again. I was just giving my opinion that America has a scary obsession with firearms. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

usually gun shots don't kill people...and not only that, but who cares? if someone violates your rights by attacking you, stealing from you, or anything else, they have given up their rights. who cares if you kill them? they are volunteering to any type of punishment by violating someone's rights.

it has nothing to do with material possessions...it has to do with them violating my rights. they know what they are doing, and are consenting to the danger of someone being armed. poverty is no excuse for anything...so don't even try.

Actually in some states, it's illegal to shoot someone over property. Even though no gun legal state in the US will charge you for anything for popping a thieve in the butt while he's trying to climb through your living room window.

[QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]wait....who ever put you in charge of deciding than we can only own items that we need? you don't need your computer, get off. I'm sorry that you're paranoid about upsetting one of the few people that carries a gun around with them. But the people that do those sort of things usually aren't allowed to own guns in the first place.

As for hunting, we know we don't need to hunt. But it's a hobby. Do you need to play video games? Things aren't based on need, they are based on desire. You have no business telling someone they can't hunt as a hobby. It does not hurt you...only the animals.

As for guns not being used in defense....I'll assume you're young or live in a small town. I've said this before on here, but when you have a family you will understand. There is a possibility that when you live in a big city, someone may try to harm you. Since I don't really care about myself, I'm fine with that. But I would never live in a house without a gun because my wife means everything to me. If I need a gun some day to protect her, I'll own one illegally if I have to. It's just like insurance. I may or may not run into trouble, but for the sake of my wife, I will own one.

As for not caring about the government taking stuff away from you...that's sad. You are one of the people running this country into the dirt. Let the government take whatever they want away from you...be mad for a week, then just let them do it. They have no way to justify taking things from us, and it's sad that people like you just don't care.

Sajedene

Well said!

thank you :)

[QUOTE="albi321"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="albi321"][QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]

[QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"]Yeah, America does have a scary obsession with firearms.lilburtonboy748

not anymore than they do with reality tv...which is worse.

i don't see what's scary about people liking guns as a hobby. they are fun to shoot, and they also have practical reasons like protecting your family.

people do get really mad when you threaten to take them away, but that's because there is no reason to take them away. how would you like it if the government said we can't drive cars anymore because we could hurt someone? you wouldn't like that very much.

I find it scary because so many people have guns and there isn't a reason for them to. I'm afraid of upsetting someone that owns a gun and then having them come and shoot me. I'd hate to be someone's "last straw". People don't need them to hunt because after the industrial revolution, that reason doesn't legitimize owning firearms anymore. And self defense I think I totally a BS reason, 99% of the time there is no one you need to defend yourself against that you couldn't defend yourself against without a gun.

And for those 1 out of 10 times that you need something to help defend yourself, there are plenty of non-lethal ways to defend yourself, even from someone else who has a gun. I wouldn't mind if the government took cars away, I honestly hate driving and having no cars would really open up the roads and would do a great deal to get rid of pollution. Even if the government took away something that I like, like video games, I would be upset at first, but after a month I wouldn't care. I would find something else to do with my time. I have had this argument many times and I don't plan on doing it again. I was just giving my opinion that America has a scary obsession with firearms. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

usually gun shots don't kill people...and not only that, but who cares? if someone violates your rights by attacking you, stealing from you, or anything else, they have given up their rights. who cares if you kill them? they are volunteering to any type of punishment by violating someone's rights.

it has nothing to do with material possessions...it has to do with them violating my rights. they know what they are doing, and are consenting to the danger of someone being armed. poverty is no excuse for anything...so don't even try.

Actually in some states, it's illegal to shoot someone over property. Even though no gun legal state in the US will charge you for anything for popping a thieve in the butt while he's trying to climb through your living room window.

[QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="albi321"][QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]

[QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"]Yeah, America does have a scary obsession with firearms.albi321

not anymore than they do with reality tv...which is worse.

i don't see what's scary about people liking guns as a hobby. they are fun to shoot, and they also have practical reasons like protecting your family.

people do get really mad when you threaten to take them away, but that's because there is no reason to take them away. how would you like it if the government said we can't drive cars anymore because we could hurt someone? you wouldn't like that very much.

I find it scary because so many people have guns and there isn't a reason for them to. I'm afraid of upsetting someone that owns a gun and then having them come and shoot me. I'd hate to be someone's "last straw". People don't need them to hunt because after the industrial revolution, that reason doesn't legitimize owning firearms anymore. And self defense I think I totally a BS reason, 99% of the time there is no one you need to defend yourself against that you couldn't defend yourself against without a gun.

And for those 1 out of 10 times that you need something to help defend yourself, there are plenty of non-lethal ways to defend yourself, even from someone else who has a gun. I wouldn't mind if the government took cars away, I honestly hate driving and having no cars would really open up the roads and would do a great deal to get rid of pollution. Even if the government took away something that I like, like video games, I would be upset at first, but after a month I wouldn't care. I would find something else to do with my time. I have had this argument many times and I don't plan on doing it again. I was just giving my opinion that America has a scary obsession with firearms. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

usually gun shots don't kill people...and not only that, but who cares? if someone violates your rights by attacking you, stealing from you, or anything else, they have given up their rights. who cares if you kill them? they are volunteering to any type of punishment by violating someone's rights.

So because they are poor or have other issues they have the right to attack you?

[QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="albi321"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="albi321"][QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]

[QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"]Yeah, America does have a scary obsession with firearms.Infinite-Zr0

not anymore than they do with reality tv...which is worse.

i don't see what's scary about people liking guns as a hobby. they are fun to shoot, and they also have practical reasons like protecting your family.

people do get really mad when you threaten to take them away, but that's because there is no reason to take them away. how would you like it if the government said we can't drive cars anymore because we could hurt someone? you wouldn't like that very much.

I find it scary because so many people have guns and there isn't a reason for them to. I'm afraid of upsetting someone that owns a gun and then having them come and shoot me. I'd hate to be someone's "last straw". People don't need them to hunt because after the industrial revolution, that reason doesn't legitimize owning firearms anymore. And self defense I think I totally a BS reason, 99% of the time there is no one you need to defend yourself against that you couldn't defend yourself against without a gun.

And for those 1 out of 10 times that you need something to help defend yourself, there are plenty of non-lethal ways to defend yourself, even from someone else who has a gun. I wouldn't mind if the government took cars away, I honestly hate driving and having no cars would really open up the roads and would do a great deal to get rid of pollution. Even if the government took away something that I like, like video games, I would be upset at first, but after a month I wouldn't care. I would find something else to do with my time. I have had this argument many times and I don't plan on doing it again. I was just giving my opinion that America has a scary obsession with firearms. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

usually gun shots don't kill people...and not only that, but who cares? if someone violates your rights by attacking you, stealing from you, or anything else, they have given up their rights. who cares if you kill them? they are volunteering to any type of punishment by violating someone's rights.

it has nothing to do with material possessions...it has to do with them violating my rights. they know what they are doing, and are consenting to the danger of someone being armed. poverty is no excuse for anything...so don't even try.

Actually in some states, it's illegal to shoot someone over property. Even though no gun legal state in the US will charge you for anything for popping a thieve in the butt while he's trying to climb through your living room window.

it shouldn't be. you should be able to do whatever you want on your own property....but then again...we don't own our property we rent it because we pay yearly for it after we buy it.

[QUOTE="Infinite-Zr0"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="albi321"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="albi321"][QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]

[QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"]Yeah, America does have a scary obsession with firearms.lilburtonboy748

not anymore than they do with reality tv...which is worse.

i don't see what's scary about people liking guns as a hobby. they are fun to shoot, and they also have practical reasons like protecting your family.

people do get really mad when you threaten to take them away, but that's because there is no reason to take them away. how would you like it if the government said we can't drive cars anymore because we could hurt someone? you wouldn't like that very much.

I find it scary because so many people have guns and there isn't a reason for them to. I'm afraid of upsetting someone that owns a gun and then having them come and shoot me. I'd hate to be someone's "last straw". People don't need them to hunt because after the industrial revolution, that reason doesn't legitimize owning firearms anymore. And self defense I think I totally a BS reason, 99% of the time there is no one you need to defend yourself against that you couldn't defend yourself against without a gun.

And for those 1 out of 10 times that you need something to help defend yourself, there are plenty of non-lethal ways to defend yourself, even from someone else who has a gun. I wouldn't mind if the government took cars away, I honestly hate driving and having no cars would really open up the roads and would do a great deal to get rid of pollution. Even if the government took away something that I like, like video games, I would be upset at first, but after a month I wouldn't care. I would find something else to do with my time. I have had this argument many times and I don't plan on doing it again. I was just giving my opinion that America has a scary obsession with firearms. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

usually gun shots don't kill people...and not only that, but who cares? if someone violates your rights by attacking you, stealing from you, or anything else, they have given up their rights. who cares if you kill them? they are volunteering to any type of punishment by violating someone's rights.

it has nothing to do with material possessions...it has to do with them violating my rights. they know what they are doing, and are consenting to the danger of someone being armed. poverty is no excuse for anything...so don't even try.

Actually in some states, it's illegal to shoot someone over property. Even though no gun legal state in the US will charge you for anything for popping a thieve in the butt while he's trying to climb through your living room window.

it shouldn't be. you should be able to do whatever you want on your own property....but then again...we don't own our property we rent it because we pay yearly for it after we buy it.

Don't get me wrong, I don't agree to this law either. I'm just pointing out the facts

[QUOTE="albi321"]So you value material possessions more than a human life? People tend to turn to crime because of poverty or other reasons, killing them isn't the answer.Sajedene

Ha... I value MY life, MY family's life, and MY friend's life over the life of a hungry stranger when it comes down to it. Selfish? If you see it that way... then go be a martyr and know that your life has fed some guy (or bought him his next fix of drugs-- but thats irrelevant at this point, right?)

Couldn't have said it better myself. But you know dude if you want to play the martyr, go ahead and try to negotiate with the criminal with words....I'll do my negotiating using the business end of my 16 round 9mm. I value my life over that of any criminal.

[QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="Infinite-Zr0"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="albi321"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="albi321"][QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]

[QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"]Yeah, America does have a scary obsession with firearms.Infinite-Zr0

not anymore than they do with reality tv...which is worse.

i don't see what's scary about people liking guns as a hobby. they are fun to shoot, and they also have practical reasons like protecting your family.

people do get really mad when you threaten to take them away, but that's because there is no reason to take them away. how would you like it if the government said we can't drive cars anymore because we could hurt someone? you wouldn't like that very much.

I find it scary because so many people have guns and there isn't a reason for them to. I'm afraid of upsetting someone that owns a gun and then having them come and shoot me. I'd hate to be someone's "last straw". People don't need them to hunt because after the industrial revolution, that reason doesn't legitimize owning firearms anymore. And self defense I think I totally a BS reason, 99% of the time there is no one you need to defend yourself against that you couldn't defend yourself against without a gun.

And for those 1 out of 10 times that you need something to help defend yourself, there are plenty of non-lethal ways to defend yourself, even from someone else who has a gun. I wouldn't mind if the government took cars away, I honestly hate driving and having no cars would really open up the roads and would do a great deal to get rid of pollution. Even if the government took away something that I like, like video games, I would be upset at first, but after a month I wouldn't care. I would find something else to do with my time. I have had this argument many times and I don't plan on doing it again. I was just giving my opinion that America has a scary obsession with firearms. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

usually gun shots don't kill people...and not only that, but who cares? if someone violates your rights by attacking you, stealing from you, or anything else, they have given up their rights. who cares if you kill them? they are volunteering to any type of punishment by violating someone's rights.

it has nothing to do with material possessions...it has to do with them violating my rights. they know what they are doing, and are consenting to the danger of someone being armed. poverty is no excuse for anything...so don't even try.

Actually in some states, it's illegal to shoot someone over property. Even though no gun legal state in the US will charge you for anything for popping a thieve in the butt while he's trying to climb through your living room window.

it shouldn't be. you should be able to do whatever you want on your own property....but then again...we don't own our property we rent it because we pay yearly for it after we buy it.

Don't get me wrong, I don't agree to this law either. I'm just pointing out the facts

aaaaaah, gotchya :)

they shouldnt even sell them to anyone at all only police and millitary should have gunsrapsrule4

yes...because we all know how much we can trust the police....

and if police have to protect us...we all better get our own officer in each house so that they can be at the crime before the criminal kills us all.

they shouldnt even sell them to anyone at all only police and millitary should have gunsrapsrule4

SHOULD! It's always come down to should.

We SHOULD be able to do a lot of things, but guess what, the world doesn't focus around on SHOULDs

We SHOULD have no world hunger, we SHOULD have no crime, we SHOULD have no war, we SHOULD have no diesease. Criminals SHOULDn't have guns, but they do, and they will always get them.

But we do, and we have crime, be it with a gun or a knife. Let the law abiding citizen have the means to protect themselves and keep themselves from harms way.

we SHOULD have no disease.

Infinite-Zr0

bacteria have just as much right to live as we do.

[QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]

[QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"]Yeah, America does have a scary obsession with firearms.lilburtonboy748

not anymore than they do with reality tv...which is worse.

i don't see what's scary about people liking guns as a hobby. they are fun to shoot, and they also have practical reasons like protecting your family.

people do get really mad when you threaten to take them away, but that's because there is no reason to take them away. how would you like it if the government said we can't drive cars anymore because we could hurt someone? you wouldn't like that very much.

I find it scary because so many people have guns and there isn't a reason for them to. I'm afraid of upsetting someone that owns a gun and then having them come and shoot me. I'd hate to be someone's "last straw". People don't need them to hunt because after the industrial revolution, that reason doesn't legitimize owning firearms anymore. And self defense I think I totally a BS reason, 99% of the time there is no one you need to defend yourself against that you couldn't defend yourself against without a gun.

And for those 1 out of 10 times that you need something to help defend yourself, there are plenty of non-lethal ways to defend yourself, even from someone else who has a gun. I wouldn't mind if the government took cars away, I honestly hate driving and having no cars would really open up the roads and would do a great deal to get rid of pollution. Even if the government took away something that I like, like video games, I would be upset at first, but after a month I wouldn't care. I would find something else to do with my time. I have had this argument many times and I don't plan on doing it again. I was just giving my opinion that America has a scary obsession with firearms. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

wait....who ever put you in charge of deciding than we can only own items that we need? you don't need your computer, get off. I'm sorry that you're paranoid about upsetting one of the few people that carries a gun around with them. But the people that do those sort of things usually aren't allowed to own guns in the first place.

As for hunting, we know we don't need to hunt. But it's a hobby. Do you need to play video games? Things aren't based on need, they are based on desire. You have no business telling someone they can't hunt as a hobby. It does not hurt you...only the animals.

As for guns not being used in defense....I'll assume you're young or live in a small town. I've said this before on here, but when you have a family you will understand. There is a possibility that when you live in a big city, someone may try to harm you. Since I don't really care about myself, I'm fine with that. But I would never live in a house without a gun because my wife means everything to me. If I need a gun some day to protect her, I'll own one illegally if I have to. It's just like insurance. I may or may not run into trouble, but for the sake of my wife, I will own one.

As for not caring about the government taking stuff away from you...that's sad. You are one of the people running this country into the dirt. Let the government take whatever they want away from you...be mad for a week, then just let them do it. They have no way to justify taking things from us, and it's sad that people like you just don't care.

I never said anyone put me in charge. I never said I was going to take away anyone's guns. This is about personal opinion, I was giving my personal opinion, just like you were giving your personal opinion. I'm not biting your head off for your opinion though. This is what I was talking about when I said America has a scary obsession with guns, just mentioning getting rid of guns and people have a fit like you are having now. So please, calm down. There's no reason to get bent out of shape over this.

My computer doesn't harm anyone or anything else that I'm aware of. If my computer was made with animal/human parts, I would get rid of it. I'm not being paranoid, I'm being realistic. There have been quite a few incidents like this where I'm at, a lot of them end with someone hurt, someone going to jail, or someone dead. I'm not petrified and walking around thinking this is going to happen to me everyday. It's just something that might happen, I guess it's a lot like the fear you use to justify owning guns. The fear that someone is going to harm you and thus you need a gun to protect yourself from them. I'm not calling you paranoid though.

Hunting harms animals needlessly. I'm not for people killing animals for sport. I'm sorry if someone gets their rocks off by killing or otherwise harming a defenseless animal, it's widely agreed it the psychological community that harming animals is a sign of psychotic behavior. Also, a lot of people die in hunting accidents. I just remember recently seeing in the news that a womanwas shot on a jogging path in the woods by a teenager because he said she looked like a bear from a distance. So it does harm people too.

You're half right, I'm 21, so I guess that could be considered "young" to some. But living in a large city doesn't effect my opinion on firearms. In fact I would feel safer if people around me didn't own them. I feel less safe around regular people that own guns than around scary people that don't own guns. Remember, I'm not the FED's coming to take your guns. So there is no reason to get bent out of shape over my opinion. I'm not getting bent out of shape or otherwise upset because you have a different opinion than my own.

This is why I don't like to have a debate about this. This is my opinion, you have your opinion. I'm not biting your head off over your opinion. It just goes to show how aggressive gun people get when you give an opposing opinion. It's that aggressiveness that makes me feel unsafe around regular people with guns. Somehow nowI'm "one of the people that are running this country into the ground" just because I have a different opinion than you. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. :roll:. I'm not going to argue with you, because it's completely pointless and I haven't the time nor the patience.

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]I like the idea of firepower. Its not the guns that kill people... its people that kill people. obsolete2k1

but people with guns kill more people than without.

Well you have to look at the people who buy guns in the first place......

Europeans act as if everyone in America is walking around with gun waiving in the air or packin a ak47 with them when they make there trip to the local grocery store. Me, I prefer nunchucks.

[QUOTE="obsolete2k1"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]I like the idea of firepower. Its not the guns that kill people... its people that kill people. trix5817

but people with guns kill more people than without.

Well you have to look at the people who buy guns in the first place......

I like how people believe that outlawing guns will miracously lower the gun violence.

How niave can you get?

[QUOTE="Infinite-Zr0"]

we SHOULD have no disease.

Hewkii

bacteria have just as much right to live as we do.

Next time you get sick we will just let you die then. No hospital, no medicine for you.

[QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]

[QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"]Yeah, America does have a scary obsession with firearms.Infinite-Zr0

not anymore than they do with reality tv...which is worse.

i don't see what's scary about people liking guns as a hobby. they are fun to shoot, and they also have practical reasons like protecting your family.

people do get really mad when you threaten to take them away, but that's because there is no reason to take them away. how would you like it if the government said we can't drive cars anymore because we could hurt someone? you wouldn't like that very much.

I find it scary because so many people have guns and there isn't a reason for them to. I'm afraid of upsetting someone that owns a gun and then having them come and shoot me. I'd hate to be someone's "last straw". People don't need them to hunt because after the industrial revolution, that reason doesn't legitimize owning firearms anymore. And self defense I think I totally a BS reason, 99% of the time there is no one you need to defend yourself against that you couldn't defend yourself against without a gun.

And for those 1 out of 10 times that you need something to help defend yourself, there are plenty of non-lethal ways to defend yourself, even from someone else who has a gun. I wouldn't mind if the government took cars away, I honestly hate driving and having no cars would really open up the roads and would do a great deal to get rid of pollution. Even if the government took away something that I like, like video games, I would be upset at first, but after a month I wouldn't care. I would find something else to do with my time. I have had this argument many times and I don't plan on doing it again. I was just giving my opinion that America has a scary obsession with firearms. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

People who carry guns guns in public either has a CCW or is carrying it illegaly. Anyone with a CCW won't be stupid enough to try and shoot you for no reason. First rule of concealed carry is you always try to flee a confrontation before even pulling out your gun. And they don't give a CCW out to stupid red necks that doesn't know their left from their right. So you'rejust being paranoid thinking that some guy is gonna shoot you.

And self defense I think I totally a BS reason, 99% of the time there is no one you need to defend yourself against that you couldn't defend yourself against without a gun.

So you're saying that if a psycho was coming after you with a knife you'd be fine with having an old fashion knife fight with him?
The point of having a gun for defense is to keep space between you and the attacker so you have less of a chance to be harmed. And don't lie, if some psycho with a knife was coming after you, and you had a gun and knife with you. You'd choose the gun in a heartbeat
And you're home made stats are what I call total BS

And you do realise the economy woud collapse if we abolished cars right? There is this thing called infrastrucutre, which nearly all of the US infrastructure is based around the automobile.

I know plenty of rednecks that can legally walk around with pistols. So they pretty much do give them out to anyone that does enough to get one. I'm not saying these rednecks are bad people because they own guns. I'm just saying that they are more dangerous than if they didn't have a gun. Heck one of them shot a dog because she thought it was going to bite her. I'd hate to have her "think" I was going to do something that I wasn't going to do in the first place and get shot over it.

I'm saying that if a psycho was coming after me with a knife I would run or find another means of self-defense that wasn't lethal. Tazers, pepper spray, mace, ect. There are plenty of ways to get away from a psycho with a knife. I have actually had someone chase me with a knife before, I'll tell you what I learned from that experience is that running is a good way out of that kind of situation(worked for me anyway). Needing a gun for protection is completely BS.

Yes, i realize the economy depends on cars. The guy was asking me if I'd care if they took cars away and personally I wouldn't, because I hate to drive and don't need a car to get to where I need to be anyways. Also, our dependency on cars could be whined down by government over a period of time where we wouldn't need cars anymore and they could be taken away without causing the economy to collapse. If they were just all of a sudden made illegal right now with no preparations, yes it would collapse the economy.

If you think guns are honky-dory, that's fine with me. It's your opinion and I'm not going to get upset or have a fit over your opinion. If you like to kill animals in your spare time and "protect" yourself against the mail man,I'm not trying to change that. This thread was asking people's opinions and I gave mine. It's as simple as that. I just thought I'd clear that up. I'm not going to argue with you, just like I'm not going to argue with the other pro-gun guy

[QUOTE="Infinite-Zr0"][QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]

[QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"]Yeah, America does have a scary obsession with firearms.ElectronicMagic

not anymore than they do with reality tv...which is worse.

i don't see what's scary about people liking guns as a hobby. they are fun to shoot, and they also have practical reasons like protecting your family.

people do get really mad when you threaten to take them away, but that's because there is no reason to take them away. how would you like it if the government said we can't drive cars anymore because we could hurt someone? you wouldn't like that very much.

I find it scary because so many people have guns and there isn't a reason for them to. I'm afraid of upsetting someone that owns a gun and then having them come and shoot me. I'd hate to be someone's "last straw". People don't need them to hunt because after the industrial revolution, that reason doesn't legitimize owning firearms anymore. And self defense I think I totally a BS reason, 99% of the time there is no one you need to defend yourself against that you couldn't defend yourself against without a gun.

And for those 1 out of 10 times that you need something to help defend yourself, there are plenty of non-lethal ways to defend yourself, even from someone else who has a gun. I wouldn't mind if the government took cars away, I honestly hate driving and having no cars would really open up the roads and would do a great deal to get rid of pollution. Even if the government took away something that I like, like video games, I would be upset at first, but after a month I wouldn't care. I would find something else to do with my time. I have had this argument many times and I don't plan on doing it again. I was just giving my opinion that America has a scary obsession with firearms. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

People who carry guns guns in public either has a CCW or is carrying it illegaly. Anyone with a CCW won't be stupid enough to try and shoot you for no reason. First rule of concealed carry is you always try to flee a confrontation before even pulling out your gun. And they don't give a CCW out to stupid red necks that doesn't know their left from their right. So you'rejust being paranoid thinking that some guy is gonna shoot you.

And self defense I think I totally a BS reason, 99% of the time there is no one you need to defend yourself against that you couldn't defend yourself against without a gun.

So you're saying that if a psycho was coming after you with a knife you'd be fine with having an old fashion knife fight with him?
The point of having a gun for defense is to keep space between you and the attacker so you have less of a chance to be harmed. And don't lie, if some psycho with a knife was coming after you, and you had a gun and knife with you. You'd choose the gun in a heartbeat
And you're home made stats are what I call total BS

And you do realise the economy woud collapse if we abolished cars right? There is this thing called infrastrucutre, which nearly all of the US infrastructure is based around the automobile.

I know plenty of rednecks that can legally walk around with pistols. So they pretty much do give them out to anyone that does enough to get one. I'm not saying these rednecks are bad people because they own guns. I'm just saying that they are more dangerous than if they didn't have a gun. Heck one of them shot a dog because she thought it was going to bite her. I'd hate to have her "think" I was going to do something that I wasn't going to do in the first place and get shot over it.

I'm saying that if a psycho was coming after me with a knife I would run or find another means of self-defense that wasn't lethal. Tazers, pepper spray, mace, ect. There are plenty of ways to get away from a psycho with a knife. I have actually had someone chase me with a knife before, I'll tell you what I learned from that experience is that running is a good way out of that kind of situation(worked for me anyway). Needing a gun for protection is completely BS.

Yes, i realize the economy depends on cars. The guy was asking me if I'd care if they took cars away and personally I wouldn't, because I hate to drive and don't need a car to get to where I need to be anyways. Also, our dependency on cars could be whined down by government over a period of time where we wouldn't need cars anymore and they could be taken away without causing the economy to collapse. If they were just all of a sudden made illegal right now with no preparations, yes it would collapse the economy.

If you think guns are honky-dory, that's fine with me. It's your opinion and I'm not going to get upset or have a fit over your opinion. If you like to kill animals in your spare time and "protect" yourself against the mail man,I'm not trying to change that. This thread was asking people's opinions and I gave mine. It's as simple as that. I just thought I'd clear that up. I'm not going to argue with you, just like I'm not going to argue with the other pro-gun guy

I somehow find it hard to believe some lady shot a dog because she 'thought' it was gonna bite here and has a CCW.
And they don't give CCWs out to anyone, so I also find what you say hard to believe. And I doubt that you go up to them and feel for a piece and ask to see their CCW.

You do realize that you can't always run right? If you think there is always oppurtunity to run then you're quite delusional.
And I already said in another post, all people who has their CCW knows they're supposed to flee from conflict. If they don't they get charged for murder or manslaughter.

I'm telling you that if guns were made 100% illegal, it will bring on A LOT more worse problems.

Next time you get sick we will just let you die then. No hospital, no medicine for you.

harden007

fine. I haven't used medicine in years, anyway.

PS: you fell for it.

[QUOTE="Infinite-Zr0"][QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]

[QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"]Yeah, America does have a scary obsession with firearms.ElectronicMagic

not anymore than they do with reality tv...which is worse.

i don't see what's scary about people liking guns as a hobby. they are fun to shoot, and they also have practical reasons like protecting your family.

people do get really mad when you threaten to take them away, but that's because there is no reason to take them away. how would you like it if the government said we can't drive cars anymore because we could hurt someone? you wouldn't like that very much.

I find it scary because so many people have guns and there isn't a reason for them to. I'm afraid of upsetting someone that owns a gun and then having them come and shoot me. I'd hate to be someone's "last straw". People don't need them to hunt because after the industrial revolution, that reason doesn't legitimize owning firearms anymore. And self defense I think I totally a BS reason, 99% of the time there is no one you need to defend yourself against that you couldn't defend yourself against without a gun.

And for those 1 out of 10 times that you need something to help defend yourself, there are plenty of non-lethal ways to defend yourself, even from someone else who has a gun. I wouldn't mind if the government took cars away, I honestly hate driving and having no cars would really open up the roads and would do a great deal to get rid of pollution. Even if the government took away something that I like, like video games, I would be upset at first, but after a month I wouldn't care. I would find something else to do with my time. I have had this argument many times and I don't plan on doing it again. I was just giving my opinion that America has a scary obsession with firearms. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

People who carry guns guns in public either has a CCW or is carrying it illegaly. Anyone with a CCW won't be stupid enough to try and shoot you for no reason. First rule of concealed carry is you always try to flee a confrontation before even pulling out your gun. And they don't give a CCW out to stupid red necks that doesn't know their left from their right. So you'rejust being paranoid thinking that some guy is gonna shoot you.

And self defense I think I totally a BS reason, 99% of the time there is no one you need to defend yourself against that you couldn't defend yourself against without a gun.

So you're saying that if a psycho was coming after you with a knife you'd be fine with having an old fashion knife fight with him?
The point of having a gun for defense is to keep space between you and the attacker so you have less of a chance to be harmed. And don't lie, if some psycho with a knife was coming after you, and you had a gun and knife with you. You'd choose the gun in a heartbeat
And you're home made stats are what I call total BS

And you do realise the economy woud collapse if we abolished cars right? There is this thing called infrastrucutre, which nearly all of the US infrastructure is based around the automobile.

I know plenty of rednecks that can legally walk around with pistols. So they pretty much do give them out to anyone that does enough to get one. I'm not saying these rednecks are bad people because they own guns. I'm just saying that they are more dangerous than if they didn't have a gun. Heck one of them shot a dog because she thought it was going to bite her. I'd hate to have her "think" I was going to do something that I wasn't going to do in the first place and get shot over it.

I'm saying that if a psycho was coming after me with a knife I would run or find another means of self-defense that wasn't lethal. Tazers, pepper spray, mace, ect. There are plenty of ways to get away from a psycho with a knife. I have actually had someone chase me with a knife before, I'll tell you what I learned from that experience is that running is a good way out of that kind of situation(worked for me anyway). Needing a gun for protection is completely BS.

Yes, i realize the economy depends on cars. The guy was asking me if I'd care if they took cars away and personally I wouldn't, because I hate to drive and don't need a car to get to where I need to be anyways. Also, our dependency on cars could be whined down by government over a period of time where we wouldn't need cars anymore and they could be taken away without causing the economy to collapse. If they were just all of a sudden made illegal right now with no preparations, yes it would collapse the economy.

If you think guns are honky-dory, that's fine with me. It's your opinion and I'm not going to get upset or have a fit over your opinion. If you like to kill animals in your spare time and "protect" yourself against the mail man,I'm not trying to change that. This thread was asking people's opinions and I gave mine. It's as simple as that. I just thought I'd clear that up. I'm not going to argue with you, just like I'm not going to argue with the other pro-gun guy

The fact that you wouldn't care if the government took cars or video games away is disturbing.....

[QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"][QUOTE="Infinite-Zr0"][QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]

[QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"]Yeah, America does have a scary obsession with firearms.trix5817

not anymore than they do with reality tv...which is worse.

i don't see what's scary about people liking guns as a hobby. they are fun to shoot, and they also have practical reasons like protecting your family.

people do get really mad when you threaten to take them away, but that's because there is no reason to take them away. how would you like it if the government said we can't drive cars anymore because we could hurt someone? you wouldn't like that very much.

I find it scary because so many people have guns and there isn't a reason for them to. I'm afraid of upsetting someone that owns a gun and then having them come and shoot me. I'd hate to be someone's "last straw". People don't need them to hunt because after the industrial revolution, that reason doesn't legitimize owning firearms anymore. And self defense I think I totally a BS reason, 99% of the time there is no one you need to defend yourself against that you couldn't defend yourself against without a gun.

And for those 1 out of 10 times that you need something to help defend yourself, there are plenty of non-lethal ways to defend yourself, even from someone else who has a gun. I wouldn't mind if the government took cars away, I honestly hate driving and having no cars would really open up the roads and would do a great deal to get rid of pollution. Even if the government took away something that I like, like video games, I would be upset at first, but after a month I wouldn't care. I would find something else to do with my time. I have had this argument many times and I don't plan on doing it again. I was just giving my opinion that America has a scary obsession with firearms. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

People who carry guns guns in public either has a CCW or is carrying it illegaly. Anyone with a CCW won't be stupid enough to try and shoot you for no reason. First rule of concealed carry is you always try to flee a confrontation before even pulling out your gun. And they don't give a CCW out to stupid red necks that doesn't know their left from their right. So you'rejust being paranoid thinking that some guy is gonna shoot you.

And self defense I think I totally a BS reason, 99% of the time there is no one you need to defend yourself against that you couldn't defend yourself against without a gun.

So you're saying that if a psycho was coming after you with a knife you'd be fine with having an old fashion knife fight with him?
The point of having a gun for defense is to keep space between you and the attacker so you have less of a chance to be harmed. And don't lie, if some psycho with a knife was coming after you, and you had a gun and knife with you. You'd choose the gun in a heartbeat
And you're home made stats are what I call total BS

And you do realise the economy woud collapse if we abolished cars right? There is this thing called infrastrucutre, which nearly all of the US infrastructure is based around the automobile.

I know plenty of rednecks that can legally walk around with pistols. So they pretty much do give them out to anyone that does enough to get one. I'm not saying these rednecks are bad people because they own guns. I'm just saying that they are more dangerous than if they didn't have a gun. Heck one of them shot a dog because she thought it was going to bite her. I'd hate to have her "think" I was going to do something that I wasn't going to do in the first place and get shot over it.

I'm saying that if a psycho was coming after me with a knife I would run or find another means of self-defense that wasn't lethal. Tazers, pepper spray, mace, ect. There are plenty of ways to get away from a psycho with a knife. I have actually had someone chase me with a knife before, I'll tell you what I learned from that experience is that running is a good way out of that kind of situation(worked for me anyway). Needing a gun for protection is completely BS.

Yes, i realize the economy depends on cars. The guy was asking me if I'd care if they took cars away and personally I wouldn't, because I hate to drive and don't need a car to get to where I need to be anyways. Also, our dependency on cars could be whined down by government over a period of time where we wouldn't need cars anymore and they could be taken away without causing the economy to collapse. If they were just all of a sudden made illegal right now with no preparations, yes it would collapse the economy.

If you think guns are honky-dory, that's fine with me. It's your opinion and I'm not going to get upset or have a fit over your opinion. If you like to kill animals in your spare time and "protect" yourself against the mail man,I'm not trying to change that. This thread was asking people's opinions and I gave mine. It's as simple as that. I just thought I'd clear that up. I'm not going to argue with you, just like I'm not going to argue with the other pro-gun guy

The fact that you wouldn't care if the government took cars or video games away is disturbing.....

i agree, he must work for the government lmao, WE need to have guns.. concidering this day and age where our government isnt even listening to us.... its our right to topple the government if we have to and if they dont abide by the constitution...hmmm sounds similiar to what our government is doing now... our great currupt gov who doesnt listen to a thing what we say...time for a FORCEFUL CHANGE PEOPLE?:)

i agree, he must work for the government lmao, WE need to have guns.. concidering this day and age where our government isnt even listening to us.... its our right to topple the government if we have to and if they dont abide by the constitution...hmmm sounds similiar to what our government is doing now... our great currupt gov who doesnt listen to a thing what we say...time for a FORCEFUL CHANGE PEOPLE?:)

HookedOnKiLLing

you wouldn't be able to stop the military with readily available weapons, unless you count on soldiers leaving and taking weapons with them, in which case there's no point in having the original weapons in the first place.

I like the idea of firepower. Its not the guns that kill people... its people that kill people. Sajedene

I agree, although it makes it much easier for people to kill people with guns.

Why do guns need to be legal anyway:?

[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="obsolete2k1"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]I like the idea of firepower. Its not the guns that kill people... its people that kill people. Infinite-Zr0

but people with guns kill more people than without.

Well you have to look at the people who buy guns in the first place......

I like how people believe that outlawing guns will miracously lower the gun violence.

How niave can you get?

It's already been done. Take a good look at Japan.

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]All guns could be illegal, the only thing that would change is more people would get robbed and/or murdered. Theres a thing called the Black Market which is where alot of killers get their guns anyways, and anyone who is against the owning of guns, is against the constitution which build this country. I don't get while people, even here in America try to be so unAmerican, what the world coming to when even the constitution that build this country doesn't mean anything anymore.Hewkii

well, if we're slowly destroying two of the other Bill of Rights amendments, may as well start on this one.

It would be another Civil war and we wouldnt win this one.UrbanSpartan125

all depends who goes AWOL.

[QUOTE="Infinite-Zr0"][QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="obsolete2k1"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]I like the idea of firepower. Its not the guns that kill people... its people that kill people. chrisrooR

but people with guns kill more people than without.

Well you have to look at the people who buy guns in the first place......

I like how people believe that outlawing guns will miracously lower the gun violence.

How niave can you get?

It's already been done. Take a good look at Japan.

Hear about the guy who plowed a truck into a crowd of people in Akihabara and then jumped out and went on a stabbing spree? I think he killed and injured 14 or more people. Yeah, I know for a fact that gun violence is low but I also know that stabbings are much more popular. Of course Japan is generally considered one of the safest countries in the world. Most Japanese abide the law and many take their own lives as a result of their problems rather than killing others. This was not the case though with the guy who went on the rampage.

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"]It would be another Civil war and we wouldnt win this one.Hewkii

all depends who goes AWOL.

If we suddenly banned guns the United States would no longer be united and many many people would die.

Its just the idea of protection, and the thought of being able to kill someone whenever you want too, or get even with your bossafter a bad day at the office.

We have the right to own them, why wouldn't we want them?

Competition also comes into play. The Johnsons next door get a .40 cal pistal, so you have get a .345 Magnum. So then the neighbores get a MP5, so you go for the AK-47...

Having a big gun is like having a big......you get the idea........

[QUOTE="Infinite-Zr0"][QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="obsolete2k1"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]I like the idea of firepower. Its not the guns that kill people... its people that kill people. chrisrooR

but people with guns kill more people than without.

Well you have to look at the people who buy guns in the first place......

I like how people believe that outlawing guns will miracously lower the gun violence.

How niave can you get?

It's already been done. Take a good look at Japan.

Japan had a previous history of gun ownership? I don't think since the smooth bore musket days.

[QUOTE="Infinite-Zr0"][QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="obsolete2k1"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]I like the idea of firepower. Its not the guns that kill people... its people that kill people. chrisrooR

but people with guns kill more people than without.

Well you have to look at the people who buy guns in the first place......

I like how people believe that outlawing guns will miracously lower the gun violence.

How niave can you get?

It's already been done. Take a good look at Japan.

East Asian culture is much different than Western culture. Japan also has a far lower rate or knifings and burgleries.

The thing that a lot of Pro-Gun people are missing, is that criminals aren't born, they are made. So what happens when the former good law-abiding person suddenly goes bad?felixlynch777

Oh, I'm sorry... did your .45 caliber pistol tell you to go crazy and pull the trigger? If your gun MAKES you go bad -- then I would really love having a gun next to me if you try to do anything crazy around me.

If we suddenly banned guns the United States would no longer be united and many many people would die.

UrbanSpartan125

probably. no real reason to do it, either.

I believe that the restrictions we have now are pretty good. No civilian needs an automatic weapon or a missle launcher, but if I want to hunt or defend my property with rifles or handguns guns I should be allowed to.SuperVegeta518

You can get automatic weapons with a level 3 gun owners license.

You can also get artillery if you have a high enough level license, but I dunno what it is. Probably near impossible to give in one lifetime.