Anti-g@y beliefs a product of the uneducated?

From what I've read, the response to the Skyrim same sex marriage news has been mostly positive on here but there were a few who didn't agree with the same sex aspect of it. On the back of that, I remebered a discussion I once had with a friend of mine about the reasons for homophobia. He said that homophobia was the product of the hateful and violent. By that, he meant that those most likley to hate are the uneducated and uninformed who therefore lack the ability to see both sides of the argument and identify homosexuals as simply people. Those who have been through education and encountered many different types of people usually gain the ability to empathise and become more tolerant of differences and so on.

I think that argument is a generalisation because there are also people's moral and religious beliefs to take into account and there can be any number of reasons why someone might not agree with homosexuality.

But, I just wanted to know what people thought about homophobia being localised to the uneducated.

People aren't born full of hate. Homophobia is passed on to them by other people (most likely their parents)

there are lots of gay-related topics on OT lately. >_>

what gives?

there are lots of gay-related topics on OT lately. >_>

what gives?

SaudiFury

I wouldn't pin the blame on education. I've always subscribed to the slightly wacky notion that psychosexual development is shaped by early experiences with (or without) parents. It wouldn't be much of a leap to explain homophobia the same way.

Archaic beliefs, there is no evidence that would suggest that homosexuality hasn't been around as long as heterosexuality. Which would thus make it just as natural. Homosexuality is absolutely fine AS LONG AS they respect the reasonable individual boundaries of others, which applies to heterosexuality as well

Archaic beliefs, there is no evidence that would suggest that homosexuality hasn't been around as long as heterosexuality. Which would thus make it just as natural. Homosexuality is absolutely fine AS LONG AS they respect the reasonable individual boundaries of others, which applies to heterosexuality as well

chaoscougar1

You can't educate someone to find homosexuality... normal... or at least not amusing. You can make them realise that the "right" thing to do is leave them be... but you can't stop people from thinking it's weird. If homosexuality isn't a choice that can't be educated out of people, neither are anti-gay feelings.SolidSnake35

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Archaic beliefs, there is no evidence that would suggest that homosexuality hasn't been around as long as heterosexuality. Which would thus make it just as natural. Homosexuality is absolutely fine AS LONG AS they respect the reasonable individual boundaries of others, which applies to heterosexuality as well

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

Archaic beliefs, there is no evidence that would suggest that homosexuality hasn't been around as long as heterosexuality. Which would thus make it just as natural. Homosexuality is absolutely fine AS LONG AS they respect the reasonable individual boundaries of others, which applies to heterosexuality as well

chaoscougar1

It could be a religious ideal imposed on them at birth so thats all they know having been raised to believe thats the way it is. Yes most of those people are also uneducated aside for their religious upbringing. The ironic thing is that given how forbidden it is in certain cultures they're so eager to perform the deed on people in what they consider a form of punishment. Not only that but the general degradation and treatment of women is the reason why they're cultures haven't advanced beyond the medieval era aside for what scrappings and leftovers the more advanced western cultures allow them to have while we exploit their resources.

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]That argument goes to the reproductive capabilities of two sexes. Not how long there has been differing orientations.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I'm not sure I follow your line of reasoning.LJS9502_basic

People aren't born full of hate. Homophobia is passed on to them by other people (most likely their parents)

toast_burner

I'm well educated, I've traveled through Europe a lot (all of it except the northern countries), I've met many people, I'm not violent nor hateful yet I dislike homosexuals. I guess I have homophobia but it's just the way I feel. I don't hate them or anything like that. It's just that I'd like to have minimal contact with them because I fail to understand them.iskeethunters

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] Your saying their argument was that people of the same sex wouldn't be able to reproduce, who the hell cares? I am fairly certain that there will be enough heterosexual people in the future to continue to populate the planetchaoscougar1

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Way to miss the point. I'm not arguing for or against. I just corrected why that argument is used.LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] Same to you. I was rebutting the argument, not youchaoscougar1

Though there are some studies that say homosexuality is not as prevalent in cultures that don't have over population.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You're rebutting an opinion though.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] :lol: Wut? Now I am confused...Same sex couples can't reproduce on their own = Fact, This will cause the population to decline/die out = Fiction. Help me out here...

chaoscougar1

Note: Considering reproduction to be "natural" in no ways means they do not accept other orientations or those that don't or can't reproduce.

As for you analogy....that would depend on if the two of you could reach a consensus as to what a day equals in regard to a supernatural being.

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Your rebutting their opinion as to what is natural or not.:|LJS9502_basic

Note: Considering reproduction to be "natural" in no ways means they do not accept other orientations or those that don't or can't reproduce.

As for you analogy....that would depend on if the two of you could reach a consensus as to what a day equals in regard to a supernatural being.

That is their right, yes. Doesn't mean I can't argue against their opinion, like they would argue against mine. Arguing does not always mean there has to be a victor with one person's views having dominance over another, it is just putting across your point of view. Didn't realise I wasn't allowed to do this...

When did I say otherwise? You are the one who brought up reproduction...

Which :o funnily enough would require a comparison of ones opinions and beliefs! Arguing your point, crazy right?

Anyways, I am done. Feel free to reply to me, just over the discussion ^.^

One last thing; Natural

Adjective: Existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind.

That is their right, yes. Doesn't mean I can't argue against their opinion, like they would argue against mine. Arguing does not always mean there has to be a victor with one person's views having dominance over another, it is just putting across your point of view. Didn't realise I wasn't allowed to do this...

When did I say otherwise? You are the one who brought up reproduction...

Which :o funnily enough would require a comparison of ones opinions and beliefs! Arguing your point, crazy right?

Anyways, I am done. Feel free to reply to me, just over the discussion ^.^

One last thing; Natural

Adjective: Existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind.

chaoscougar1

Actually you made an assumption as to why people use the word natural....which is what brought up the discussion. As a said the parameters for using that to base an opinion was not the reason you stated for everyone. Which was basically all my interest in the discussion was.

Not that your use of natural as an adjective necessarily means others have to limit themselves ONLY to that definition....but

having, constituting, or relating to a cIassification based on features existing in nature

or of relating to nature as an object of study and research.

From the medical dictionary and one that assumes various hypothesis to the field.

Nonetheless....I'm not interesting as I said in arguing for or against. But I'm not going to demonize those that think different than I do as long as their opinion doesn't cause harmful actions against others. But I found your premise misleading.

Another thread ruined with a petty argument. Where have I seen that before? :roll:

Anyway, I don't think it has as much to do with a lack of education (though it can) as it has to do with a lack of exposure. It's amazing how much more tolerant some people can become if they mingle with gay people and realize that there is nothing wrong with them.

Another thread ruined with a petty argument. Where have I seen that before? :roll:

Anyway, I don't think it has as much to do with a lack of education (though it can) as it has to do with a lack of exposure. It's amazing how much more tolerant some people can become if they mingle with gay people and realize that there is nothing wrong with them.

GreySeal9

I don't think I've ever mate someone who actually "hates" gay people. I mean sure, everyone has a little joke or jab at them now and then, but they're pretty cool sob's

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Another thread ruined with a petty argument. Where have I seen that before? :roll:

Anyway, I don't think it has as much to do with a lack of education (though it can) as it has to do with a lack of exposure. It's amazing how much more tolerant some people can become if they mingle with gay people and realize that there is nothing wrong with them.

jshaas

I agree though that the term homophobia is misused.

Oh and to the above user.......one can say any discussion here is petty. So I guess forums aren't your thing?

I gotta say, as a gay man, it's all about two things: the gay and the other person in the room. I mean this totally unbiasdly and as, from what I've seen, the quasi-"official" voice on the matter.

1. The gay If the gay is very flamboyant and maybe has femalic (ha) tendencies (like a lisp, talking ECSTATICLY with their hands, yadda yadda), than this could be enough to set anyone on edge. Hell, when I'm next to a fairy like that, I'm turned off. Hate it. It's like being in a room where the white guy is "talking blacker" than the black guys; if the gay is being more female than your wife and your sister and your neice at family barbque, it's probably going to be awkward. ****c display of Gender Confusion, even if they are fully aware of doing.

2. Next, it's the people in the room. Nine times out of ten, Christians are a tough crowd for us homo's to please, so there's a disconnect. Next, a straight man that maybe had something horrible happen to him, surpressed anger over being made to feel like, say, said gay above. And, I dunno if you know, but some straight men like their girls to put something up the chute during intercourse. They'd never admit it in person because it makes them look gay but how is it gay I mean, it's not straight when a lesbian shags her girlfriend with a plastic P3N1S... Society is so assed backwards, and some people just don't have a deep sense of self, so their insecure about other peoples deep sense of self.

And one word I hate: tolerance. When it's applied to race, sexism, agism, homophobia- ANYTHING. To say "tolerate" is to to say, "Hey, I see what you're doing, I want you to know I'm not okay with you doing, but I'm going to let you do it", ya digg? No one should be tolerated. They should just be accepted. I'm going to say this before I stop- this world is SO full of people. Whites, blacks, gays, straights- and the numbers are only expanding each day. Get used to everybody that isn't you, regardless of what the problem is. Give the ma chance to fudge you over before you write them off, because no matter how people feel about anyone, we're all here on this little rock full of some hydrogen and oxygen, just enough to give us our sh*t lives! =) Haha.... sorry to go all "Full House" on you guys!

I am strongly against gays. I can stand to be around them but I will not tolerate them showing PDA's or talking about their relationship. It is definitely the way I was raised and it will most definitely be the way I raise my children.DJ-PRIME90

Now I'm curious, since you won't tolerate them what will you do?

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2. Next, it's the people in the room. Nine times out of ten, Christians are a tough crowd for us homo's to please, so there's a disconnect.

BoogieL0ve20xx

Though in regard to your first point...yeah I don't like effeminate behavior....no matter the orientation.

[QUOTE="DJ-PRIME90"]I am strongly against gays. I can stand to be around them but I will not tolerate them showing PDA's or talking about their relationship. It is definitely the way I was raised and it will most definitely be the way I raise my children. A gay person will tell you they were born like thay, but every gay person I've met... If you take a deep look into the way they were raised and how their parents treated them you can see it was all in the way they were raised.dom2000

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2. Next, it's the people in the room. Nine times out of ten, Christians are a tough crowd for us homo's to please, so there's a disconnect.

LJS9502_basic

He said "nine times out of ten". He didn't say "all".

Well that theory goes out the window because a lot of old folks don't believe in gay marriage... and many of them are very educated.

My grandpa was head of the accounting department at Texaco... so he is very educated. Yet he isn't particularly fond of gay marriage.

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2. Next, it's the people in the room. Nine times out of ten, Christians are a tough crowd for us homo's to please, so there's a disconnect.

worlock77

He said "nine times out of ten". He didn't say "all".

How exactly does education in the general sense decide a persons demeanor on homosexuality?sSubZerOo