Anti-g@y beliefs a product of the uneducated?

[QUOTE="QWERTYCommander"][QUOTE="Starshine_M2A2"]

I think that argument is a generalisation because there are also people's moral and religious beliefs to take into account

Tokugawa77

Good point here. Who is to say that the religious beleifs themselves aren't ignorant and uneducated? :shock:

The one political view that I absolutely without exception do not respect is that of the anti-gay crowd. I am usually a very understanding person and respect other's opinions, but denying civil rights to others just because they are not like you or because your religious dogma tells you to? It's just really sick.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="wiifan001"]It's not just a religious belief. It's a commandment of God.wiifan001

yes, it r fact. ppl here dont realize that.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="wiifan001"] It doesn't matter if you believe in a God or not, because there is anyway whether you want to believe or not. And God has commandments. wiifan001

Not sure if joking...

hopefully.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="wiifan001"] It doesn't matter if you believe in a God or not, because there is anyway whether you want to believe or not. And God has commandments. wiifan001

Not sure if joking...

hopefully.

Well I can't argue against your beleif in God, so this is a dead end debate. All I can say is seperation of church and state, in which case your beleif in God should not have any effect on policy making. Thus same-sex marriage should be legal.

[QUOTE="QWERTYCommander"][QUOTE="Starshine_M2A2"]

I think that argument is a generalisation because there are also people's moral and religious beliefs to take into account

Tokugawa77

Good point here. Who is to say that the religious beleifs themselves aren't ignorant and uneducated? :shock:

The one political view that I absolutely without exception do not respect is that of the anti-gay crowd. I am usually a very understanding person and respect other's opinions, but denying civil rights to others just because they are not like you or because your religious dogma tells you to? It's just really sick.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="QWERTYCommander"] Just because homophobia is part of their "moral or religious beliefs" doesn't mean it's right. Hitler did what he did because of his religious beliefs. Should we take that into account too?LJS9502_basic

Good point here. Who is to say that the religious beleifs themselves aren't ignorant and uneducated? :shock:

The one political view that I absolutely without exception do not respect is that of the anti-gay crowd. I am usually a very understanding person and respect other's opinions, but denying civil rights to others just because they are not like you or because your religious dogma tells you to? It's just really sick.

I'm not refusing them civil rights. I am merely saying that there is nothing supporting their opinion but bigotry, and we can all agree that bigotry is detrimental.

[QUOTE="wiifan001"][QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

Not sure if joking...

hopefully.

Tokugawa77

Well I can't argue against your beleif in God, so this is a dead end debate. All I can say is seperation of church and state, in which case your beleif in God should not have any effect on policy making. Thus same-sex marriage should be legal.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="wiifan001"]It's not just a religious belief. It's a commandment of God.wiifan001

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

Good point here. Who is to say that the religious beleifs themselves aren't ignorant and uneducated? :shock:

The one political view that I absolutely without exception do not respect is that of the anti-gay crowd. I am usually a very understanding person and respect other's opinions, but denying civil rights to others just because they are not like you or because your religious dogma tells you to? It's just really sick.

Tokugawa77

I'm not refusing them civil rights. I am merely saying that there is nothing supporting their opinion but bigotry, and we can all agree that bigotry is detrimental.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="QWERTYCommander"] Just because homophobia is part of their "moral or religious beliefs" doesn't mean it's right. Hitler did what he did because of his religious beliefs. Should we take that into account too?LJS9502_basic

Good point here. Who is to say that the religious beleifs themselves aren't ignorant and uneducated? :shock:

The one political view that I absolutely without exception do not respect is that of the anti-gay crowd. I am usually a very understanding person and respect other's opinions, but denying civil rights to others just because they are not like you or because your religious dogma tells you to? It's just really sick.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I find this a bit ironic actually. You chastise people for their opinion that is anti a group and then you post the same type of opinion toward another group.:?LJS9502_basic

I'm not refusing them civil rights. I am merely saying that there is nothing supporting their opinion but bigotry, and we can all agree that bigotry is detrimental.

I don't dislike homosexual people.

I however strongly disagree with what they are doing.

Over time, species tend to get better adapted to their enviromment and become increasingly efficient at surviving.

However an homosexual way of life, given how our specie biologically functions is very detrimental.

Its a non-sustainable way of life and its basically something that you'd never see surviving extremely long periods of time out in the nature.

Actually bigotry is one who is intolerant to other options differ from their own.alexside1

[QUOTE="wiifan001"][QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

Not sure if joking...

hopefully.

alexside1

[QUOTE="wiifan001"][QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

Not sure if joking...

hopefully.

Tokugawa77

Well I can't argue against your beleif in God, so this is a dead end debate. All I can say is seperation of church and state, in which case your beleif in God should not have any effect on policy making. Thus same-sex marriage should be legal.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I find this a bit ironic actually. You chastise people for their opinion that is anti a group and then you post the same type of opinion toward another group.:?LJS9502_basic

I'm not refusing them civil rights. I am merely saying that there is nothing supporting their opinion but bigotry, and we can all agree that bigotry is detrimental.

No, everyone belives that their opinion is right. If you are going to definebigotry that way, then you reduce it to a meaningless word which everyone is guilty of. Bigotry is the belief that oneself is inherently superior to someone else. You're probably thinking "but in that case, they think that their opinion is right, thus my definition of bigotry is correct" well no, because the "type" of opinion (for lack of a better phrase) matters; if I, for example, think that God must exist and that there is no way that my opinion is wrong, that does not make me a bigot. If I were to go and and say "people who do not believe are stupid and inferior thinkers" then that would be bigotry.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="wiifan001"] It doesn't matter if you believe in a God or not, because there is anyway whether you want to believe or not. And God has commandments. wiifan001

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

I'm not refusing them civil rights. I am merely saying that there is nothing supporting their opinion but bigotry, and we can all agree that bigotry is detrimental.

Tokugawa77

No, everyone belives that their opinion is right. If you are going to definebigotry that way, then you reduce it to a meaningless word which everyone is guilty of. Bigotry is the belief that oneself is inherently superior to someone else. You're probably thinking "but in that case, they think that their opinion is right, thus my definition of bigotry is correct" well no, because the "type" of opinion (for lack of a better phrase) matters; if I, for example, think that God must exist and that there is no way that my opinion is wrong, that does not make me a bigot. If I were to go and and say "people who do not believe are stupid and inferior thinkers" then that would be bigotry.

From Dictionary.com...bigotry

stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

Racism is the belief in one's races superiority.

I don't dislike homosexual people.

I however strongly disagree with what they are doing.

Over time, species tend to get better adapted to their enviromment and become increasingly efficient at surviving.

However an homosexual way of life, given how our specie biologically functions is very detrimental.

Its a non-sustainable way of life and its basically something that you'd never see surviving extremely long periods of time out in the nature.

OrangeTabbyCat

All animals have some percentage of their population that is homosexual. (bats, I believe, have the highest homosexuality rates). So is it detrimental when a person decides not to have kids? Would you force them to propogate? Besides, I don't think that the human population needs any more growth anyway.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

I'm not refusing them civil rights. I am merely saying that there is nothing supporting their opinion but bigotry, and we can all agree that bigotry is detrimental.

Tokugawa77

No, everyone belives that their opinion is right. If you are going to definebigotry that way, then you reduce it to a meaningless word which everyone is guilty of. Bigotry is the belief that oneself is inherently superior to someone else. You're probably thinking "but in that case, they think that their opinion is right, thus my definition of bigotry is correct" well no, because the "type" of opinion (for lack of a better phrase) matters; if I, for example, think that God must exist and that there is no way that my opinion is wrong, that does not make me a bigot. If I were to go and and say "people who do not believe are stupid and inferior thinkers" then that would be bigotry.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Bigotry is the belief that one's opinions are right and other opinions are wrong.:|ChampionoChumps

No, everyone belives that their opinion is right. If you are going to definebigotry that way, then you reduce it to a meaningless word which everyone is guilty of. Bigotry is the belief that oneself is inherently superior to someone else. You're probably thinking "but in that case, they think that their opinion is right, thus my definition of bigotry is correct" well no, because the "type" of opinion (for lack of a better phrase) matters; if I, for example, think that God must exist and that there is no way that my opinion is wrong, that does not make me a bigot. If I were to go and and say "people who do not believe are stupid and inferior thinkers" then that would be bigotry.

[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"][QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

No, everyone belives that their opinion is right. If you are going to definebigotry that way, then you reduce it to a meaningless word which everyone is guilty of. Bigotry is the belief that oneself is inherently superior to someone else. You're probably thinking "but in that case, they think that their opinion is right, thus my definition of bigotry is correct" well no, because the "type" of opinion (for lack of a better phrase) matters; if I, for example, think that God must exist and that there is no way that my opinion is wrong, that does not make me a bigot. If I were to go and and say "people who do not believe are stupid and inferior thinkers" then that would be bigotry.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Bigotry is the belief that one's opinions are right and other opinions are wrong.:|LJS9502_basic

No, everyone belives that their opinion is right. If you are going to definebigotry that way, then you reduce it to a meaningless word which everyone is guilty of. Bigotry is the belief that oneself is inherently superior to someone else. You're probably thinking "but in that case, they think that their opinion is right, thus my definition of bigotry is correct" well no, because the "type" of opinion (for lack of a better phrase) matters; if I, for example, think that God must exist and that there is no way that my opinion is wrong, that does not make me a bigot. If I were to go and and say "people who do not believe are stupid and inferior thinkers" then that would be bigotry.

From Dictionary.com...bigotry

stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

Racism is the belief in one's races superiority.

Then what would you call a person who despises homosexuals and beleieves that they are sub human? Not a racist, you'd call them a bigot. Racism is a form of bigotry. The same hate can be applied to any group, not just another race. In any case, I have never been one for taking definitions verbatum. The implications of words are often different than their dictionary definitions.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Bigotry is the belief that one's opinions are right and other opinions are wrong.:|ChampionoChumps

No, everyone belives that their opinion is right. If you are going to definebigotry that way, then you reduce it to a meaningless word which everyone is guilty of. Bigotry is the belief that oneself is inherently superior to someone else. You're probably thinking "but in that case, they think that their opinion is right, thus my definition of bigotry is correct" well no, because the "type" of opinion (for lack of a better phrase) matters; if I, for example, think that God must exist and that there is no way that my opinion is wrong, that does not make me a bigot. If I were to go and and say "people who do not believe are stupid and inferior thinkers" then that would be bigotry.

I never said I didn't like them. I said I have no respect for that certain opinion. If anything, I feel sorry that they are so blinded and full of hate.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

No, everyone belives that their opinion is right. If you are going to definebigotry that way, then you reduce it to a meaningless word which everyone is guilty of. Bigotry is the belief that oneself is inherently superior to someone else. You're probably thinking "but in that case, they think that their opinion is right, thus my definition of bigotry is correct" well no, because the "type" of opinion (for lack of a better phrase) matters; if I, for example, think that God must exist and that there is no way that my opinion is wrong, that does not make me a bigot. If I were to go and and say "people who do not believe are stupid and inferior thinkers" then that would be bigotry.

Tokugawa77

From Dictionary.com...bigotry

stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

Racism is the belief in one's races superiority.

Then what would you call a person who despises homosexuals and beleieves that they are sub human? Not a racist, you'd call them a bigot. Racism is a form of bigotry. The same hate can be applied to any group, not just another race. In any case, I have never been one for taking definitions verbatum. The implications of words are often different than their dictionary definitions.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="wiifan001"] Not joking. wiifan001

Well I can't argue against your beleif in God, so this is a dead end debate. All I can say is seperation of church and state, in which case your beleif in God should not have any effect on policy making. Thus same-sex marriage should be legal.

And people across the globe and even within a country have differing religious beliefs. Therefore a person shouldnt be forced to live by the teachings/religious beliefs of (another) religion.

One's own religious beliefs should be a private issue, unless some of them are deemed appropriate for all by logic.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="wiifan001"]It's not just a religious belief. It's a commandment of God.wiifan001

[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"][QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

No, everyone belives that their opinion is right. If you are going to definebigotry that way, then you reduce it to a meaningless word which everyone is guilty of. Bigotry is the belief that oneself is inherently superior to someone else. You're probably thinking "but in that case, they think that their opinion is right, thus my definition of bigotry is correct" well no, because the "type" of opinion (for lack of a better phrase) matters; if I, for example, think that God must exist and that there is no way that my opinion is wrong, that does not make me a bigot. If I were to go and and say "people who do not believe are stupid and inferior thinkers" then that would be bigotry.

LJS9502_basic

Normally I would, but since they are harming someone else I don't think so. Not as long as gay marriage is illegal, that is. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but as soon as that opinion starts harming others they have crossed the line and must be fought.

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="wiifan001"] Not joking. wiifan001

I don't dislike homosexual people.

I however strongly disagree with what they are doing.

Over time, species tend to get better adapted to their enviromment and become increasingly efficient at surviving.

However an homosexual way of life, given how our specie biologically functions is very detrimental.

Its a non-sustainable way of life and its basically something that you'd never see surviving extremely long periods of time out in the nature.

OrangeTabbyCat

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="wiifan001"] Not joking. wiifan001

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No you are confusing racism with bigotry.

From Dictionary.com...bigotry

stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

Racism is the belief in one's races superiority.

LJS9502_basic

Then what would you call a person who despises homosexuals and beleieves that they are sub human? Not a racist, you'd call them a bigot. Racism is a form of bigotry. The same hate can be applied to any group, not just another race. In any case, I have never been one for taking definitions verbatum. The implications of words are often different than their dictionary definitions.

But I am not prejudiced against homophobes, I just don't respect their opinion. They are entitled to have it, but they can't use it to justify harming someone else

[QUOTE="OrangeTabbyCat"]

I don't dislike homosexual people.

I however strongly disagree with what they are doing.

Over time, species tend to get better adapted to their enviromment and become increasingly efficient at surviving.

However an homosexual way of life, given how our specie biologically functions is very detrimental.

Its a non-sustainable way of life and its basically something that you'd never see surviving extremely long periods of time out in the nature.

CaveJohnson1

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"] Yes and you said you don't like people who are anti-gay, which makes you a bigot as well. Double standards my man. Don't hate anyone and love everyone :) no matter what they believeTokugawa77

Normally I would, but since they are harming someone else I don't think so. Not as long as gay marriage is illegal, that is. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but as soon as that opinion starts harming others they have crossed the line and must be fought.

And killed, one by one.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

Then what would you call a person who despises homosexuals and beleieves that they are sub human? Not a racist, you'd call them a bigot. Racism is a form of bigotry. The same hate can be applied to any group, not just another race. In any case, I have never been one for taking definitions verbatum. The implications of words are often different than their dictionary definitions.

Tokugawa77

But I am not prejudiced against homophobes, I just don't respect their opinion. They are entitled to have it, but they can't use it to justify harming someone else

[QUOTE="OrangeTabbyCat"]

I don't dislike homosexual people.

I however strongly disagree with what they are doing.

Over time, species tend to get better adapted to their enviromment and become increasingly efficient at surviving.

However an homosexual way of life, given how our specie biologically functions is very detrimental.

Its a non-sustainable way of life and its basically something that you'd never see surviving extremely long periods of time out in the nature.

CaveJohnson1

[QUOTE="wiifan001"][QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

Well I can't argue against your beleif in God, so this is a dead end debate. All I can say is seperation of church and state, in which case your beleif in God should not have any effect on policy making. Thus same-sex marriage should be legal.

Teenaged

And people across the globe and even within a country have differing religious beliefs. Therefore a person shouldnt be forced to live by the teachings/religious beliefs of (another) religion.

One's own religious beliefs should be a private issue, unless some of them are deemed appropriate for all by logic.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] No I'd not call them a bigot. I'd say they were prejudiced against homosexuals.

LJS9502_basic

But I am not prejudiced against homophobes, I just don't respect their opinion. They are entitled to have it, but they can't use it to justify harming someone else

I never said it wasn't.

But intolerance of an opinion is much different than intolerance of a group of people.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="wiifan001"] God's commandments > The law of man.wiifan001

And people across the globe and even within a country have differing religious beliefs. Therefore a person shouldnt be forced to live by the teachings/religious beliefs of (another) religion.

One's own religious beliefs should be a private issue, unless some of them are deemed appropriate for all by logic.

1. I didnt say they should be kept private. I was implying that they shouldnt be imposed on others on the basis that they are supposedly true.

2. Not they arent.

Because your religious beliefs arent shared by everyone.

Just as you have some religious beliefs that you deem are true, others have other beliefs and others have no analogous religious beliefs.

Therefore your beliefs are just that: religious beliefs. Nothing more, in and of themselves.

[QUOTE="wiifan001"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] Can you prove it then? If you know for 100% then surly there some evidence is there not?DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="wiifan001"] God doesn't draw himself through scientific evidence. Search the Lord's existence through scientific evidence is a very bad idea. :o

ChampionoChumps

If some one is saying that god exists, it's their job to prove it... Not any one else's to disprove it.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="wiifan001"] God doesn't draw himself through scientific evidence. Search the Lord's existence through scientific evidence is a very bad idea. :o

ChampionoChumps

So we should base policy making on something which we cannot prove exists say for the fact that we cannot disprove it? :lol:

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="wiifan001"] God doesn't draw himself through scientific evidence. Search the Lord's existence through scientific evidence is a very bad idea. :o

ChampionoChumps

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[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] You know no one has been able to prove the existence of god in the history of humanity.BuryMe

If some one is saying that god exists, it's their job to prove it... Not any one else's to disprove it.

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"] ...and no one has been able to disprove His existence either. Supernatural beings exist outside of the realm of science and are therefore not falsifiable nor testable. alexside1

If some one is saying that god exists, it's their job to prove it... Not any one else's to disprove it.

[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] You know no one has been able to prove the existence of god in the history of humanity.DroidPhysX

We crucified him, IIRC. Good times.

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"] ...and no one has been able to disprove His existence either. Supernatural beings exist outside of the realm of science and are therefore not falsifiable nor testable. alexside1

If some one is saying that god exists, it's their job to prove it... Not any one else's to disprove it.

Well that and it is unlikely. Sure, scientific theories havn't been proven, but they are very likely correct based upon what we know of the world. The existance of supernatural beings? well, not likely if you put stock in scientific evidence. I'm not saying that he does not exist, he very well could- but I find other explanations more likely.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

But I am not prejudiced against homophobes, I just don't respect their opinion. They are entitled to have it, but they can't use it to justify harming someone else

Tokugawa77

I never said it wasn't.

But intolerance of an opinion is much different than intolerance of a group of people.

[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] You know no one has been able to prove the existence of god in the history of humanity.BuryMe

If some one is saying that god exists, it's their job to prove it... Not any one else's to disprove it.