Anti-g@y beliefs a product of the uneducated?

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] That's intolerance of opinion is it not?LJS9502_basic

I never said it wasn't.

But intolerance of an opinion is much different than intolerance of a group of people.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

I never said it wasn't.

But intolerance of an opinion is much different than intolerance of a group of people.

BuryMe

I can't believe that you even have to explain that.

Also, everybody is intolerant of certain ideas.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

I never said it wasn't.

But intolerance of an opinion is much different than intolerance of a group of people.

BuryMe

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"] ...and no one has been able to disprove His existence either. Supernatural beings exist outside of the realm of science and are therefore not falsifiable nor testable. LJS9502_basic

If some one is saying that god exists, it's their job to prove it... Not any one else's to disprove it.

In this case, though, the claim made was that god does exist (by Wiifan001, if it remember correctly.)

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BuryMe"]The burden of proof lies on the one making the claim.

If some one is saying that god exists, it's their job to prove it... Not any one else's to disprove it.

BuryMe

In this case, though, the claim made was that god does exist (by Wiifan001, if it remember correctly.)

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] That's intolerance of opinion is it not?LJS9502_basic

I never said it wasn't.

But intolerance of an opinion is much different than intolerance of a group of people.

I don't see the connection.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

I never said it wasn't.

But intolerance of an opinion is much different than intolerance of a group of people.

Tokugawa77

I don't see the connection.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="wiifan001"] God doesn't draw himself through scientific evidence. Search the Lord's existence through scientific evidence is a very bad idea. :o

ChampionoChumps

but they CAN be witnessed.

@droidphysX

That's correct. And no one will ever be able to prove God's existence in human's time. That's not how the lord works. He does not work presenting scientific evidence for earth.

It's not just a religious belief. It's a commandment of God.wiifan001

[QUOTE="wiifan001"]It's not just a religious belief. It's a commandment of God.tocool340

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="BuryMe"]The burden of proof lies on the one making the claim.

If some one is saying that god exists, it's their job to prove it... Not any one else's to disprove it.

Tokugawa77

Well that and it is unlikely. Sure, scientific theories havn't been proven, but they are very likely correct based upon what we know of the world. The existance of supernatural beings? well, not likely if you put stock in scientific evidence. I'm not saying that he does not exist, he very well could- but I find other explanations more likely.

[QUOTE="tocool340"][QUOTE="wiifan001"]It's not just a religious belief. It's a commandment of God.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="tocool340"][QUOTE="wiifan001"]It's not just a religious belief. It's a commandment of God.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="tocool340"] Wait, what?...:?Teenaged

Oh hell no. There's so many factors going in on why people dislike gay rights that being uneducated is more like trying to build a negative stereotype more than anything.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]And if a group of people who hold the opinion one is intolerant of...then one is, in fact, intolerant of a group of people.LJS9502_basic

I don't see the connection.

As I have stated countless times I am not against they themselves, only their ideology. intolerance of beleifs does not correlate to intolerance of those who have said beleifs. And homophobes are not intolerant of homosexuals' beliefs (since when has sexual orientation been a belief?)

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="tocool340"] Wait, what?...:?Teenaged

[QUOTE="tocool340"][QUOTE="wiifan001"]It's not just a religious belief. It's a commandment of God.LJS9502_basic

I dont hate because their gay.

I feel pity because theyre wrong.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] In his defense, some of the atheist I seen so far assert that there is no god simply, because it hasn't been proven.ChampionoChumps

Well that and it is unlikely. Sure, scientific theories havn't been proven, but they are very likely correct based upon what we know of the world. The existance of supernatural beings? well, not likely if you put stock in scientific evidence. I'm not saying that he does not exist, he very well could- but I find other explanations more likely.

I can respect that. I merely don't believe that God exists based upon what I've seen in the world. One question though, if you say that something cannot come from nothing, but then what created God? In other words, that specific argument is a paradox.

I dont hate because their gay.

I feel pity because theyre wrong.

realguitarhero5

I dont hate because their gay.

I feel pity because theyre wrong.

realguitarhero5

What do you think makes them wrong?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="tocool340"] Wait, what?...:?ChampionoChumps

It was actually because someone used religion to justify it (name was like wilfon or wilfred or something)

I dont hate because their gay.

I feel pity because theyre wrong.

realguitarhero5

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

I don't see the connection.

Tokugawa77

As I have stated countless times I am not against they themselves, only their ideology. intolerance of beleifs does not correlate to intolerance of those who have said beleifs. And homophobes are not intolerant of homosexuals' beliefs (since when has sexual orientation been a belief?)

Is there a technical distinction in between disagreeing with an idea and not tolerating it?

"I disagree with your viewpoint, but tolerate it."

WAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN

like

a lesser level of negative emotional reactions to it?

You people and your use of words are KILLING me.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="tocool340"] Wait, what?...:?ChampionoChumps

Is there a technical distinction in between disagreeing with an idea and not tolerating it?

"I disagree with your viewpoint, but tolerate it."

WAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN

like

a lesser level of negative emotional reactions to it?

You people and your use of words are KILLING me.

coolbeans90

Kind of like, I may disagree with what you ay, but I defend to the death your right to say it

Is there a technical distinction in between disagreeing with an idea and not tolerating it?

"I disagree with your viewpoint, but tolerate it."

WAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN

like

a lesser level of negative emotional reactions to it?

You people and your use of words are KILLING me.

coolbeans90

And I'm only referring to the onesidedness in this particular thread.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Is there a technical distinction in between disagreeing with an idea and not tolerating it?

"I disagree with your viewpoint, but tolerate it."

WAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN

like

a lesser level of negative emotional reactions to it?

You people and your use of words are KILLING me.

BuryMe

Kind of like, I may disagree with what you ay, but I defend to the death your right to say it

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Is there a technical distinction in between disagreeing with an idea and not tolerating it?

"I disagree with your viewpoint, but tolerate it."

WAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN

like

a lesser level of negative emotional reactions to it?

You people and your use of words are KILLING me.

BuryMe

Kind of like, I may disagree with what you ay, but I defend to the death your right to say it

Would you defend the right of WBC to do what they do? If so, is that considered tolerance of their stupidity? Just for the sake of clarification.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Basically you are against an ideology that some people have.....which means you are intolerant of them/their beliefs. Just as someone that is against any group you could name is intolerant of said group/beliefs of said group.

LJS9502_basic

As I have stated countless times I am not against they themselves, only their ideology. intolerance of beleifs does not correlate to intolerance of those who have said beleifs. And homophobes are not intolerant of homosexuals' beliefs (since when has sexual orientation been a belief?)

That's only if you consider their ideology to be inseparable from the individual, which some people (I'd betmost) don't believe.

I have family members who have opinions that I don't agree with on this subject. There's no way that I am intolerant of them. I just very strongly disagree with their opinions.

There is no reason you have to extend being against somebody's ideology to the individual. There is more to an individual than their ideology.

Yes, someone can be intolerant of somebody because of their ideology, but they don't have to be.

[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"][QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

Well that and it is unlikely. Sure, scientific theories havn't been proven, but they are very likely correct based upon what we know of the world. The existance of supernatural beings? well, not likely if you put stock in scientific evidence. I'm not saying that he does not exist, he very well could- but I find other explanations more likely.

Tokugawa77

I can respect that. I merely don't believe that God exists based upon what I've seen in the world. One question though, if you say that something cannot come from nothing, but then what created God? In other words, that specific argument is a paradox.

[QUOTE="realguitarhero5"]

I dont hate because their gay.

I feel pity because theyre wrong.

alexside1

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Basically you are against an ideology that some people have.....which means you are intolerant of them/their beliefs. Just as someone that is against any group you could name is intolerant of said group/beliefs of said group.

LJS9502_basic

As I have stated countless times I am not against they themselves, only their ideology. intolerance of beleifs does not correlate to intolerance of those who have said beleifs. And homophobes are not intolerant of homosexuals' beliefs (since when has sexual orientation been a belief?)

I don't think that you need to tolerate a person's opinion to tolerate the person themselves...

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Is there a technical distinction in between disagreeing with an idea and not tolerating it?

"I disagree with your viewpoint, but tolerate it."

WAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN

like

a lesser level of negative emotional reactions to it?

You people and your use of words are KILLING me.

LJS9502_basic

Kind of like, I may disagree with what you ay, but I defend to the death your right to say it

Nobody said anything about rights.

[QUOTE="tocool340"][QUOTE="wiifan001"]It's not just a religious belief. It's a commandment of God.LJS9502_basic

He was the one that brought it up. I'm just quoting him. It just kind of surprised me that he just said something faith based is 100% reality and that its exclusive from religion....

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="realguitarhero5"]

I dont hate because their gay.

I feel pity because theyre wrong.

realguitarhero5

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

As I have stated countless times I am not against they themselves, only their ideology. intolerance of beleifs does not correlate to intolerance of those who have said beleifs. And homophobes are not intolerant of homosexuals' beliefs (since when has sexual orientation been a belief?)

Tokugawa77

I don't think that you need to tolerate a person's opinion to tolerate the person themselves...

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="realguitarhero5"]

I dont hate because their gay.

I feel pity because theyre wrong.

realguitarhero5

It seems to be that he very clearly said that they don't have a choice.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"] First of all, learn what science and how it has nothing to do with religion, then learn how theories are the most well supported claims in the scientific world. Now back to the topic at hand, I am a very scientific person, both of my parents are scientists, and I am studying zoology. Now, I believe in God because 1. The universe had a beginning before the Big Bang (theories include a multiverse and vacuum fluctations, both of which cannot be tested therefore cannot be proven) 2. Jesus Christ came to Earth and that is a fact, He also had thousands upon thousands of witnesses to share the Good Word 3. An afterlife to me is the most plausible since I don't believe that consciences are an illusion nor temporary but of the soul 4. It makes the most sense because how could something come from nothing in the restrictions of our current universal restrictions? 5. Many more that I will not bore you in listing.ChampionoChumps

I can respect that. I merely don't believe that God exists based upon what I've seen in the world. One question though, if you say that something cannot come from nothing, but then what created God? In other words, that specific argument is a paradox.

To take that as fact you need to first beleive in the bible, which of course atheists do not, so you can't use that argurment to sway them. In any case, the existance of these said dimensions can't be proven.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Being against someone's ideology is basically being intolerant of said ideology and by extension the individual. As for the second..that is covered by the bolded. My statement was in general and thus included both group and beliefs....hence the /.

LJS9502_basic

I don't think that you need to tolerate a person's opinion to tolerate the person themselves...

You just stated the difference.

In one case, one is not tolerating an individual.

In another case, one is not tolerating an idea.

An idea is not the same thing as an individual, thus there is a difference.

Everybody is not tolerant of certain ideas.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Being against someone's ideology is basically being intolerant of said ideology and by extension the individual. As for the second..that is covered by the bolded. My statement was in general and thus included both group and beliefs....hence the /.

LJS9502_basic

I don't think that you need to tolerate a person's opinion to tolerate the person themselves...

You are assuming that one judges a person by what beliefs they hold. And while yes, this may be true on a subconsious level, it is certainly not the basis of my argument. I call them out because of their intolerance, not because of the person that they are (if that makes sense). If I were to accept what you are saying, then I am intolerant because they are, not for any other reason. I show intoleracne to them because they do the same to anotehr group of people. (this is of course assuming that I agree that I am intolerant of the person themselves and not just of their opinion).

It is my opinion that not all ideas, and possibly persons depending on one's definition of "person", (personal ideology, for instance) equally deserve toleration. I am not necessarily referring to legal ramifications -- but I'm not going to chill with the Klan, either. And just because intolerance is justifiable does not mean that it is exempt it from the label "intolerance".

That said, it depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is. Good night, ladies and gentlemen. This thread has been an excruciatingly painful experience.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

I don't think that you need to tolerate a person's opinion to tolerate the person themselves...

GreySeal9

You just stated the difference.

In one case, one is not tolerating an individual.

In another case, one is not tolerating an idea.

Everybody is not tolerant of certain ideas.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

I don't think that you need to tolerate a person's opinion to tolerate the person themselves...

Tokugawa77

You are assuming that one judges a person by what beliefs they hold. And while yes, this may be true on a subconsious level, it is certainly not the basis of my argument. I call them out because of their intolerance, not because of the person that they are (if that makes sense). If I were to accept what you are saying, then I am intolerant because they are, not for any other reason. I show intoleracne to them because they do the same to anotehr group of people. (this is of course assuming that I agree that I am intolerant of the person themselves and not just of their opinion).

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Ah but see their really is no difference in not tolerating and idea or the individual. It's still an intolerance to an individual bases on some criteria. Which means that while one may rail against intolerance that others do....yet display it them-self. How is that different? In both cases there is a lack of tolerance. And it's ironic to find someone calling out others for intolerance while displaying it themselves....no?

LJS9502_basic

You just stated the difference.

In one case, one is not tolerating an individual.

In another case, one is not tolerating an idea.

Everybody is not tolerant of certain ideas.

So then everyone is guilty of intolerance, so it is not a uniquely bad thing. Once again you reduce a word to being almost meaningless.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Ah but see their really is no difference in not tolerating and idea or the individual. It's still an intolerance to an individual bases on some criteria. Which means that while one may rail against intolerance that others do....yet display it them-self. How is that different? In both cases there is a lack of tolerance. And it's ironic to find someone calling out others for intolerance while displaying it themselves....no?

LJS9502_basic

You just stated the difference.

In one case, one is not tolerating an individual.

In another case, one is not tolerating an idea.

Everybody is not tolerant of certain ideas.

Of course their is a difference.

An idea and an individual are different things, therefore intolerance aimed towards different things are neccesarily different.

These are the same things:

Intolerance towards an individual=intolerance towards an individual.

These are different things:

Intolerance towards an individual/=/intolerance towards an idea.

By your logic, a Toyota and a Ford are the same thing because they are both cars. But they have clear differences.

In the same way, intolerance towards and idea and intolerance towards an individual may both be intolerance, but they have clear differences. There is no logical reason that those differences should be cast aside.