Anti-g@y beliefs a product of the uneducated?

[QUOTE="DigitalExile"]

Why is it okay to be pro one thing, but not anti the same issue?

GreySeal9

Because it's possible that being, to use your term, pro-one-thing has more merit than being anti-that-same-thing.

For instance, being pro-pedophilia would not be okay while being anti-pedophilia would be okay.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="DigitalExile"]

Why is it okay to be pro one thing, but not anti the same issue?

DigitalExile

Because it's possible that being, to use your term, pro-one-thing has more merit than being anti-that-same-thing.

For instance, being pro-pedophilia would not be okay while being anti-pedophilia would be okay.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="DigitalExile"]

Why is it okay to be pro one thing, but not anti the same issue?

DigitalExile

Because it's possible that being, to use your term, pro-one-thing has more merit than being anti-that-same-thing.

For instance, being pro-pedophilia would not be okay while being anti-pedophilia would be okay.

Well, what exactly would you say being pro-gay would be ignorant of?

Seriously?chaoscougar1

What?

Well, what exactly would you say being pro-gay would be ignorant of?

GreySeal9

To use your example, if we waltzed into a pro-pedophilia community we'd be called ignorant for being against it (assuming you're against it too :P) because that's what they accept.

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]Seriously?DigitalExile

What?

Well, what exactly would you say being pro-gay would be ignorant of?

GreySeal9

To use your example, if we waltzed into a pro-pedophilia community we'd be called ignorant for being against it (assuming you're against it too :P) because that's what they accept.

Well, it really depends on the angle from which one is being anti-gay.

If one is coming a itt from the "they'll turn my kids gay angle, then I'd say that's ignorant. If one is saying that all gays are bad people, I'd say that that's ignorant as well.

It passes the time.....but why read it if you don't like it?LJS9502_basic

here are a few arguments I hear from the anti gay crowd

"gay people all have aids."

"aids was brought about by gay people."

"aids spreads easier through gay sex than straight sex"

"being gay is a choice"

"gays want to turn our kids gay"

"homosexuality doesnt occur in nature"

"the nazis were gay (courtesy of Brian Fischer)

"gay mairrage would lead to people marrying animals"

"the bible says it is wrong, therefore it should be illegal for everyone"

yeah, there might be a slight deficiency of education somewhere in there

here are a few arguments I hear from the anti gay crowd

- gay people all have aids.

- aids was brought about by gay people.

- aids spreads easier through gay sex than straight sex

- being gay is a choice

- homosexuality doesnt occur in nature

- the nazis were gay (courtesy of Brian Fischer)

- gay mairrage would lead to people marrying animals

- the bible says it is wrong, therefore it should be illegal for everyone

yeah, there might be a slight deficiency of education somewhere in there

arbitor365

I consider myself educated, and I'm not homophobic. "Homophobic" would seem to imply that one is afraid of homosexuality or homosexuals.

Homosexuality is a sin-- it's an abomination to the Lord. God intended sex to be between a married couple-- one man and one woman.

With homosexuality being a sin, does this mean that I'm afraid of homosexuals or their lifestyle? No, it doesn't. I treat homosexuals the same way I treat anyone else. It's right to hate homosexuality-- but it's wrong for us to hate the person practicing it. The old phrase "Hate the sin, love the sinner" holds true. Jesus taught us to love and forgive people. All of us are sinners and all of us have fallen short of God's glory. Jesus died on the cross for everyone (including homosexuals), and if we repent from our sins and surrender our lives to Jesus, we are saved from the eternal consequences of our sin.

I didn't have anything in mind. But I don't think my question will be answered. What makes the opposite view any more or less ignorant on a matter like this? Pro- and anti-gay rights is not a "true or false" argument. It's morally "right or wrong" or socially "acceptable or unacceptable". Being educated has nothing to do with it.

To use your example, if we waltzed into a pro-pedophilia community we'd be called ignorant for being against it (assuming you're against it too :P) because that's what they accept.

DigitalExile

Pro-gay rights is pro human rights and pro human equality. TBH seems like you are taking this stance just for the sake of it, no real argument, just want to be different

I consider myself educated, and I'm not homophobic. "Homophobic" would seem to imply that one is afraid of homosexuality or homosexualsMathMattS

I consider myself educated, and I'm not homophobic. "Homophobic" would seem to imply that one is afraid of homosexuality or homosexuals.

Homosexuality is a sin-- it's an abomination to the Lord. God intended sex to be between a married couple-- one man and one woman.

MathMattS

I consider myself educated, and I'm not homophobic. "Homophobic" would seem to imply that one is afraid of homosexuality or homosexuals.

Homosexuality is a sin-- it's an abomination to the Lord. God intended sex to be between a married couple-- one man and one woman.

With homosexuality being a sin, does this mean that I'm afraid of homosexuals or their lifestyle? No, it doesn't. I treat homosexuals the same way I treat anyone else. It's right to hate homosexuality-- but it's wrong for us to hate the person practicing it. The old phrase "Hate the sin, love the sinner" holds true. Jesus taught us to love and forgive people. All of us are sinners and all of us have fallen short of God's glory. Jesus died on the cross for everyone (including homosexuals), and if we repent from our sins and surrender our lives to Jesus, we are saved from the eternal consequences of our sin.

MathMattS

the "phobic" suffix may not applicable in all cases (in regard to fear), but the general colloquial use of the word "homophobe" is someone who has prejudice against gay people.

and im sorry, but "hating" the way someone was born is not and has never been a benign thing. you have a problem with 2 people having a loving relationship. people are going to find that bigoted and rightly so. i dont know if you are against the legalization of gay marriage, but if you are, than you have no right to claim that you simply "disapprove of homosexuality and are not persecuting them."

also, I really dont care what your bible says. it has never been grounded by legiimite evidence and has no authority to declare what is or isnt moral. It is a book that reflects the biases and the beliefs of the men who wrote it. it says that women are inferior, that slavery is acceptable, that violence is rightous, and that gays are immoral. this is a book written by primitive minds and it hold no place in the debate of civil rights.

What if I just don't give a ****? Is being apathetic wrong too?

What if I just don't give a ****? Is being apathetic wrong too?

OrkHammer007

[QUOTE="DigitalExile"]

I didn't have anything in mind. But I don't think my question will be answered. What makes the opposite view any more or less ignorant on a matter like this? Pro- and anti-gay rights is not a "true or false" argument. It's morally "right or wrong" or socially "acceptable or unacceptable". Being educated has nothing to do with it.

To use your example, if we waltzed into a pro-pedophilia community we'd be called ignorant for being against it (assuming you're against it too :P) because that's what they accept.

chaoscougar1

Pro-gay rights is pro human rights and pro human equality. TBH seems like you are taking this stance just for the sake of it, no real argument, just want to be different

No. Its a product of standing up for what is right.

No. Its a product of standing up for what is right.

Calvin079

[QUOTE="Calvin079"]

No. Its a product of standing up for what is right.

chaoscougar1

Based upon a 2,000 year old book that he thinks should dictate modern daypolicy making :roll:

When it all boils down, you can have any opinion of gay marriage that you like. However, there is no political precedent to keep it illegal, so thus any personal morals based upon religion should have no effect. Sadly, they do and a minority is still refused civil rights. See how nowadays we are appalled that people once were in favor of segregation? well, within the next fifty years we will feel the same for those who were anti-gay.

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="Calvin079"]

No. Its a product of standing up for what is right.

Tokugawa77

Based upon a 2,000 year old book that he thinks should dictate modern daypolicy making :roll:

When it all boils down, you can have any opinion of gay marriage that you like. However, there is no political precedent to keep it illegal, so thus any personal morals based upon religion should have no effect. Sadly, they do and a minority is still refused civil rights. See how nowadays we are appalled that people once were in favor of segregation? well, within the next fifty years we will feel the same for those who were anti-gay.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]It passes the time.....but why read it if you don't like it?Piroshki

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="Calvin079"]

No. Its a product of standing up for what is right.

Tokugawa77

Based upon a 2,000 year old book that he thinks should dictate modern daypolicy making :roll:

When it all boils down, you can have any opinion of gay marriage that you like. However, there is no political precedent to keep it illegal, so thus any personal morals based upon religion should have no effect. Sadly, they do and a minority is still refused civil rights. See how nowadays we are appalled that people once were in favor of segregation? well, within the next fifty years we will feel the same for those who were anti-gay.

I'm pretty sure it's a thing that comes from the human brain itself. Nothing personal against gays, it's just that seeing two men kiss makes me remember the taste of what I ate two days earlier, assuming that what I ate isn't on the floor already, covered in bile.

Thanks for the morning image. ^^:x Anyway......I don't know why we think people have to accept everything others do. As long as they aren't harming others......it's okay. That goes for both sides and not just one. Because showing tolerance for only one group would be hypocritical.LJS9502_basic

What are the groups?

Thanks for the morning image. ^^:x Anyway......I don't know why we think people have to accept everything others do. As long as they aren't harming others......it's okay. That goes for both sides and not just one. Because showing tolerance for only one group would be hypocritical.LJS9502_basic

You mean lesbians?

I've yet to encounter a legitimate defense of the ssm position other than diversity which is entirely subjective. Saying they are uneducated is nothing more than proof they have no real defense of their position. Now to get ready for church where us uneducated people gather in our tents and wagons. maheo30

Can there be a defense that is deemed legitimate by a person whose religious convictions are against any defense by default no matter how logical they are? No.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Thanks for the morning image. ^^:x Anyway......I don't know why we think people have to accept everything others do. As long as they aren't harming others......it's okay. That goes for both sides and not just one. Because showing tolerance for only one group would be hypocritical.chaoscougar1

What are the groups?

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Thanks for the morning image. ^^:x Anyway......I don't know why we think people have to accept everything others do. As long as they aren't harming others......it's okay. That goes for both sides and not just one. Because showing tolerance for only one group would be hypocritical.LJS9502_basic

What are the groups?

I've yet to encounter a legitimate defense of the ssm position other than diversity which is entirely subjective. Saying they are uneducated is nothing more than proof they have no real defense of their position. Now to get ready for church where us uneducated people gather in our tents and wagons. maheo30

Whether you like it or not, there are gay people out there and they are people just like you who deserve the same rights as anyone else.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

What are the groups?

chaoscougar1

Anti-gay beliefs are a product of busy body people without enough stuff going on in their own lives to keep them from being interested in everyone Else's.

I seriously to this day do not understand how ANYONE regardless of religious affiliation can genuinely care what two other people do with their time on earth. Even if you are against it, shouldn't your realm of "give a s***" stop at your own front door?

I mean, if you are against being gay and you and all your family are straight then what is the f****** issue? Someone please explain to me how one person can care about what two other people (whom they have nothing to do with)are doing in their spare time.

The fact that people care about the sexual preference of complete strangers infuriates me almost as much as the anti-gay hate mongering itself.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] :lol: Right based on what?parkurtommo

Based upon a 2,000 year old book that he thinks should dictate modern daypolicy making :roll:

When it all boils down, you can have any opinion of gay marriage that you like. However, there is no political precedent to keep it illegal, so thus any personal morals based upon religion should have no effect. Sadly, they do and a minority is still refused civil rights. See how nowadays we are appalled that people once were in favor of segregation? well, within the next fifty years we will feel the same for those who were anti-gay.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

Based upon a 2,000 year old book that he thinks should dictate modern daypolicy making :roll:

When it all boils down, you can have any opinion of gay marriage that you like. However, there is no political precedent to keep it illegal, so thus any personal morals based upon religion should have no effect. Sadly, they do and a minority is still refused civil rights. See how nowadays we are appalled that people once were in favor of segregation? well, within the next fifty years we will feel the same for those who were anti-gay.

realguitarhero5

[QUOTE="realguitarhero5"][QUOTE="parkurtommo"] It's not only a product of religion.toast_burner

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="realguitarhero5"]It's a product of common sense...realguitarhero5

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="realguitarhero5"]It's a product of common sense...realguitarhero5

[QUOTE="realguitarhero5"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]How is discriminating against a group of people with no good reason "common sense"?

dsmccracken

[QUOTE="realguitarhero5"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]How is discriminating against a group of people with no good reason "common sense"?

toast_burner

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="realguitarhero5"]How is man on man common sense? Not to get graphically sexual but theres a reason a man and a woman get married and have kids, and not two guys or two girls!realguitarhero5

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="realguitarhero5"]How is man on man common sense? Not to get graphically sexual but theres a reason a man and a woman get married and have kids, and not two guys or two girls!realguitarhero5

Theres no reason for a man to be bigot in the first place... Its a gradual choice, not DNA bs.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="realguitarhero5"]Theres no reason for a man to be gay in the first place... Its a gradual choice, not DNA bs.realguitarhero5