Anyone else feel bad for George W. Bush?

[QUOTE="p2250"]

The only people that didn't like Bush were people that supported Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida.

So 61% of Americans support Saddam Hussein and Al-Qaeda?

[QUOTE="p2250"]

The only people that didn't like Bush were people that supported Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida.

Comments like these are what made me hate Bush.

[QUOTE="p2250"] The people that hate him love Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida.Danm_999

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[QUOTE="p2250"]

The only people that didn't like Bush were people that supported Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida.

p2250

Comments like these are what made me hate Bush.

Terrorism in Iraq started because US decided they wanted to be the big heroes there. 9/11 led to the war on Afghanistan, a war in which most of the world supported; it had nothing to do with Iraq. What next? You're gonna associate Iran and North Korea with 9/11?

[QUOTE="p2250"][QUOTE="one_plum"]

Comments like these are what made me hate Bush.

Terrorism in Iraq started because US decided they wanted to be the big heroes there. 9/11 led to the war on Afghanistan, a war in which most of the world supported; it had nothing to do with Iraq. What next? You're gonna associate Iran and North Korea with 9/11?

[QUOTE="p2250"] He's one person, it really doesn't matter, Danm_999

Islam is a religion, a faith that has been on a downward slope ever since 9/11 and rightfully so. You think it will ever be the same again?p2250

[QUOTE="p2250"]

The only people that didn't like Bush were people that supported Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida.

Comments like these are what made me hate Bush.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="p2250"] In this thread you've said he should be thanked and commended for stopping terrorists, and that anyone who hates him supports Al Qaeda, and now you claim he doesn't matter? [QUOTE="p2250"]Islam is a religion, a faith that has been on a downward slope ever since 9/11 and rightfully so. You think it will ever be the same again?p2250

[QUOTE="p2250"] I see your in serious denial, there's not much sense conversing with you.Danm_999

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="p2250"] I see your in serious denial, there's not much sense conversing with you.p2250

[QUOTE="p2250"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] I'm not the one that suddenly flip flopped on whether or not Bush is important when an argument I didn't like was brought up. As to the second point, in what sense is Islam on a downward slope? I'm asking a legitimate question here; I know you don't like it, but are you denying that it's influence is increasingly growing?Danm_999

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="p2250"] What influence do you speak of, more international terrorism?p2250

[QUOTE="one_plum"]

[QUOTE="p2250"] The genocide, crimes against humanity and terrorism carried out by Muslims made me hate Islam. Not to mention 9/11, never forgive, never forget.p2250

Terrorism in Iraq started because US decided they wanted to be the big heroes there. 9/11 led to the war on Afghanistan, a war in which most of the world supported; it had nothing to do with Iraq. What next? You're gonna associate Iran and North Korea with 9/11?

Whether Saddam was a brutal dictator is irrelevant; there wouldn't be suicide bombers in Iraq if the US didn't remove Saddam from power. It doesn't matter whether the US' intentions were good or not; they removed the only buffer against those suicide bombers. Either way, I don't know why you even started bringing Muslims into to the discussion in the first place; GWB didn't save Americans from those "evil Muslims".

[QUOTE="p2250"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] In some respects, yes. But also in number of followers. Islam is very rapidly growing in the Middle East, in Europe, in South East Asia, and in East Asia. Now, can you give me a reason as to why Islam should be considered on a downward slope? If anything, it's getting stronger.Danm_999

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="p2250"] I see your in serious denial, there's not much sense conversing with you.p2250

[QUOTE="p2250"][QUOTE="one_plum"]

Terrorism in Iraq started because US decided they wanted to be the big heroes there. 9/11 led to the war on Afghanistan, a war in which most of the world supported; it had nothing to do with Iraq. What next? You're gonna associate Iran and North Korea with 9/11?

Whether Saddam was a brutal dictator is irrelevant; there wouldn't be suicide bombers in Iraq if the US didn't remove Saddam from power. It doesn't matter whether the US' intentions were good or not; they removed the only buffer against those suicide bombers. Either way, I don't know why you even started bringing Muslims into to the discussion in the first place; GWB didn't save Americans from those "evil Muslims".

I miss him.

I'll be back later to carry on this discussion

I'll be back later to carry on this discussion

p2250

Better go get some more popcorn...

I respect him, he had balls

Yes. You seem to be avoiding the question. Whether you like it or not, whether you think it's the one truth faith, just another faith, or the scourge of humanity, or something in between, that's irrelevant to the question. I ask again; in what way is Islam on the downward slope? Do you see anything positive coming out of Muslim countries? Killing and violence between Muslims is commonly accepted as normal nowadays, you think that by having more and more kids this is going to make the religion stronger? It's losing an ideological battle with Western culture, freedom and values. It's dying from within.p2250

You're still not answering my question, I suspect it's because you can't and you know it, so you're spouting a bunch of xenophobic propaganda that wouldn't look out of place at the Kristallnacht.

How is it dying from within if it's growing as a religion, if it's attracting more followers?

I'll be back later to carry on this discussion

p2250

Ah well, try not to get too enraged in the meantime.

[QUOTE="one_plum"]

[QUOTE="p2250"] And what does the US have to do with Muslims strapping bombs to their bodies and blowing up markets full of people? For years, and in many different Islamic countries? You think it's only in Iraq?p2250

Whether Saddam was a brutal dictator is irrelevant; there wouldn't be suicide bombers in Iraq if the US didn't remove Saddam from power. It doesn't matter whether the US' intentions were good or not; they removed the only buffer against those suicide bombers. Either way, I don't know why you even started bringing Muslims into to the discussion in the first place; GWB didn't save Americans from those "evil Muslims".

I thought he was abysmal... raven_squad

OMG. Worst President EVER. Obama has to clean his mess. NO I do not feel bad for "The so called President" I wanted my country back. I got it.

I feel bad for both Bush and Obama. The thing is this. With all due respect, why do the Americans vote for them in the first place when all they do is hate? I don't really know what's the point.

[QUOTE="raven_squad"]I thought he was abysmal... iowastate

What are you kidding me?

How many president lead america into two wars (one beyond uncessisary) and a preventable recession?

How many presidents have pushed laws that threaten then very base ideals of the constitution?

and those are only a couple of the major issues I have with Bush... There is no doubt that america was far worse off after Bush's reign.

I think most can be sympathetic to him about the events of 9/11 and his response to it (and to the public opinion of what needed to be done.)

That's kinda the limit of my sympathy though.

Pfft! i don't feel sorry for anyone in public office that get those kind of attacks. Every president gets it, kinda comes with the job.

As for being a good president? not even close. I feel he stripped dignity from the office POTUS and pretty much ruined the world view of the US.

[QUOTE="one_plum"]

[QUOTE="p2250"] And what does the US have to do with Muslims strapping bombs to their bodies and blowing up markets full of people? For years, and in many different Islamic countries? You think it's only in Iraq?p2250

Whether Saddam was a brutal dictator is irrelevant; there wouldn't be suicide bombers in Iraq if the US didn't remove Saddam from power. It doesn't matter whether the US' intentions were good or not; they removed the only buffer against those suicide bombers. Either way, I don't know why you even started bringing Muslims into to the discussion in the first place; GWB didn't save Americans from those "evil Muslims".

Good thing the Bible never advocates such....oh wait...

"The Lord is a man of war." - Exodus 15:3

"And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones ... And they burnt all their cities.

And Moses was wroth with the officers ... And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." - Numbers 31:1-18

"And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them." - Deuteronomy 7:2

"That thy foot may be dipped in the blood of thine enemies, and the tongue of thy dogs in the same." - Psalms 68:23

"Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman." - 2 Chronicles 15:13

"Thus saith the LORD of hosts ... go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." - 1 Samuel 15:2-3

"Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side ... and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor." - Exodus 32:27

There wouldn't be a war if Islam didn't teach followers to kill for their God, remember 9/11?p2250

Fundamentalists & Terrorists =/= Muslims

Fundamentalists & Terrorists use the banner of Islam to recruit misguided individuals to do their bidding. It is a mistake to make such generalization

I respect him but I don't miss him. He did some unpopular things while in office and it's not like he kept in line with Conservative principles. What Bush did right though were the tax cuts and invading Afghanistan but that's it. He should of kept his focus on capturing Osama Bin Laden and bringing him to justice instead of nation building. I can understand the argument but there are priorities.

Here is a graphic of presidential approval ratings.

Here is a list of accomplishments Obama has completed since he took office.

I'm still trying to find a list of unbiased accomplishments for Bush but most are too biased on both ends of the political spectrum.

He was a good President. Sure, MAYBE he might have made some mistakes. He seems to be a family man, a nice guy. And yet psycho lefties kept trying to destroy him, calling him all sorts of vlie crap. He was just doing his job. I'd like to see one of those hippy freaks run the country for a day. We'd probably be at record unemployment or something.

Anyone have any ideas?

MaxPred2010

A lot of the anti-Bush sentiment was really artificial nonsense. Much of it by people who wanted to recreate the hip counter-culture times of the anti-Vietnam war era that they missed out on. So what we were subjected to were a lot of stupid cliches that substituted for rational arguments further driven by some really uninformed people.

Bush was far from a perfect president (I wasn't particularly fond of his globalist leanings), but ultimately he made a lot of unpopular, but necessary decisions. If you really want to get on Bush about something, I'd say he was myopic and allowed a lot of things to fall by the wayside. Ultimately, I think he looked at 9/11 and said to himself, "never again."

Handled it better than Obama the BP spill...

Just saying.

dercoo

I'm still fuzzy about the details, but from what I heard it sounds like no one on earth has the expertise to stop an oil spill that is at the bottom of the ocean floor, not the oil industry (who are suppose the leading expert in this) and certainly not the government. Of course, the president and his office deserve some blame with such oversight in the oil industry regulation and for the lack of any legitimate alternative means of effectively shutting down (or require any company who perform such deep water oil drilling to have a mean of) before allowing such endeavor. But the Katrina episode and the BP oil spill is two different incident altogether. To rescue and aid those being affected with Katrina require a large scale of coordination and planning, but that doesn't require expertise as in the case of shutting down an oil well deep in the ocean and that sure took Bush a long time to do anything, I got the impression that maybe Bush really didn't care much about the people who put him into the office and that's my main beef with him

[QUOTE="p2250"][QUOTE="one_plum"]

Whether Saddam was a brutal dictator is irrelevant; there wouldn't be suicide bombers in Iraq if the US didn't remove Saddam from power. It doesn't matter whether the US' intentions were good or not; they removed the only buffer against those suicide bombers. Either way, I don't know why you even started bringing Muslims into to the discussion in the first place; GWB didn't save Americans from those "evil Muslims".

Good thing the Bible never advocates such....oh wait...

"The Lord is a man of war." - Exodus 15:3

"And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones ... And they burnt all their cities.

And Moses was wroth with the officers ... And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." - Numbers 31:1-18

"And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them." - Deuteronomy 7:2

"That thy foot may be dipped in the blood of thine enemies, and the tongue of thy dogs in the same." - Psalms 68:23

"Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman." - 2 Chronicles 15:13

"Thus saith the LORD of hosts ... go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." - 1 Samuel 15:2-3

"Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side ... and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor." - Exodus 32:27

but ultimately he made a lot of unpopular, but necessary decisions.

QuistisTrepe_

Please do tell us what these "necessary" decisions were then.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="p2250"] There wouldn't be a war if Islam didn't teach followers to kill for their God, remember 9/11?p2250

Good thing the Bible never advocates such....oh wait...

"The Lord is a man of war." - Exodus 15:3

"And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones ... And they burnt all their cities.

And Moses was wroth with the officers ... And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." - Numbers 31:1-18

"And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them." - Deuteronomy 7:2

"That thy foot may be dipped in the blood of thine enemies, and the tongue of thy dogs in the same." - Psalms 68:23

"Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman." - 2 Chronicles 15:13

"Thus saith the LORD of hosts ... go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." - 1 Samuel 15:2-3

"Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side ... and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor." - Exodus 32:27

He is definitely a guy I would want to have a beer with. And I acknowledge him for sticking to his ideals even though things weren't going well that does take guts. However I don't think he was a particularly great president. His handling of the war and lack of preparation for it kind of ruined that. ferrari2001

[QUOTE="p2250"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Good thing the Bible never advocates such....oh wait...

"The Lord is a man of war." - Exodus 15:3

"And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones ... And they burnt all their cities.

And Moses was wroth with the officers ... And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." - Numbers 31:1-18

"And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them." - Deuteronomy 7:2

"That thy foot may be dipped in the blood of thine enemies, and the tongue of thy dogs in the same." - Psalms 68:23

"Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman." - 2 Chronicles 15:13

"Thus saith the LORD of hosts ... go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." - 1 Samuel 15:2-3

"Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side ... and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor." - Exodus 32:27

dramaybaz

[QUOTE="dramaybaz"][QUOTE="p2250"] Let's start comparing the teachings and life of Jesus with those of Muhammad. Who wants to start? I'm ready when you are.....MaxPred2010

Not one of these again ...

Yes, Muslims believe in Jesus as a messenger, not as son of God.