Anyone else feel bad for George W. Bush?

I don't know I didn't care about poltics for the last 8 years just sitting on my computer posting at the fourms at gamespot.

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[QUOTE="MaxPred2010"] No, that is not true.

MaxPred2010

Not one of these again ...

Yes, Muslims believe in Jesus as a messenger, not as son of God.

Barbaric religion? Seriously?

Generalize the whole Islamic faith as "barbaric" because of the actions of few?

[QUOTE="iowastate"][QUOTE="raven_squad"]I thought he was abysmal... surrealnumber5

i stated the same thing with less detailed several pages back

I have making that case for years and not many people listen.

they hate Bush by rote and like Obama by the same way failing (or refusing) to notice that Obama has NOT cleaned up the mess.

but made things much worse, there comes a time when that lame excuse of blaming things on Bush has to be given up and Obama will have to admit that he has not been able to improve things but only made them worse.

Of course for someone with an ego the size of all 57 states that will never happen:lol:

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="iowastate"] then you must also dislike Obama...I just showed how similar the two are. that is what so many people have failed to notice. We are in the administration of Bush the Thirdiowastate

i stated the same thing with less detailed several pages back

I have making that case for years and not many people listen.

they hate Bush by rote and like Obama by the same way failing (or refusing) to notice that Obama has NOT cleaned up the mess.

but made things much worse, there comes a time when that lame excuse of blaming things on Bush has to be given up and Obama will have to admit that he has not been able to improve things but only made them worse.

Of course for someone with an ego the size of all 57 states that will never happen:lol:

What? Yes he continued and adopted a lot of Bush's foreign policy but he cleaned it up. No more unilateralism, I'm not sure about the torture though. He passed a health care bill, while far from perfect, that will save us money in the long run as stated by the CBO. We're on track to begin withdrawing from Iraq next month and begin withdrawing from Afghanistan in a year, although the Bush administration was going to do this.

He brought back dignity to the Office of the President - he was faithful to his wife.

He didn't waffle after New York City was attacked...he sent two Carrier Task Groups to protect the city.

His approval rating soared to 90% after 9/11...the 10% were far-left.

No one disliked him at his first visit to the WTC. The first thing said to him from the crowd was, "Go get 'em, George!".

George also had a good heart. A soldier had lost both legs in the war. George phoned him every month to see how he was doing.

He invited him to run with him at the White House when he was ready (the guy had a goal to run again).

There was only one picture taken, as Bush barred the press from making a show of it.

topsemag55

If you don't disagree with the war in Iraq then I don't think you can be too angry at Bush as that was probably his (arguably) biggest mistake, even though it resulted (so far) in success and possibly another ally in the Middle East. I personally admired his unwaivering strength in the face of public ridicule and hope that someday it will be looked on in a Truman-esque light.

A great amount of the criticism is uncalled for, but much of it is also legitimate. Consequently I don't feel too sorry for him. I'd take him over our current president any day though.

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He brought back dignity to the Office of the President - he was faithful to his wife.

He didn't waffle after New York City was attacked...he sent two Carrier Task Groups to protect the city.

His approval rating soared to 90% after 9/11...the 10% were far-left.

No one disliked him at his first visit to the WTC. The first thing said to him from the crowd was, "Go get 'em, George!".

George also had a good heart. A soldier had lost both legs in the war. George phoned him every month to see how he was doing.

He invited him to run with him at the White House when he was ready (the guy had a goal to run again).

There was only one picture taken, as Bush barred the press from making a show of it.

Ringx55

He was an absolutely atrocious president. He was one of the worst presidents of all time. By every possible measurement, the country was in worse shape when he left office than when he took office and for most of those years he had his own party in control over the other levers of government. You can claim that a president doesn't have control over everything, for example the economy, but when there's not a single thing you can point to either foreign or domestic that has improved since you took office then it's safe to say that you were a monumental failure as a chief executive. He was intellectually incurious and took pride in ignorance. I don't even begin to feel sorry for him.nocoolnamejim

Really now? You trace this all to the President without noting any of the particulars? This thread is a painful reminder as to why Bush-bashers simply cannot be reasoned with.

Your decidedly partisan claims just aren't quantifiable, at all. One of the worst presidents of all time? Seriously? Really?

Nah don't feel bad for him

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]He was an absolutely atrocious president. He was one of the worst presidents of all time. By every possible measurement, the country was in worse shape when he left office than when he took office and for most of those years he had his own party in control over the other levers of government. You can claim that a president doesn't have control over everything, for example the economy, but when there's not a single thing you can point to either foreign or domestic that has improved since you took office then it's safe to say that you were a monumental failure as a chief executive. He was intellectually incurious and took pride in ignorance. I don't even begin to feel sorry for him.chessmaster1989

Really now? You trace this all to the President without noting any of the particulars? This thread is a painful reminder as to why Bush-bashers simply cannot be reasoned with.

Your decidedly partisan claims just aren't quantifiable, at all. One of the worst presidents of all time? Seriously? Really?

Ah, your rhetoric never ceases to amuse me.

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[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Really now? You trace this all to the President without noting any of the particulars? This thread is a painful reminder as to why Bush-bashers simply cannot be reasoned with.

Your decidedly partisan claims just aren't quantifiable, at all. One of the worst presidents of all time? Seriously? Really?

Theokhoth

Ah, your rhetoric never ceases to amuse me.

:lol: couldn't have put it better (or funnier)

He stuck to his policy which was kind of explicit and which was preferred by a majority of americans. You've only got yourselves to blame for his policies. As a president doing what he said he would do, he succeeded and the reforms in his latter administration (post 2005,) were quite good. In fact Obama hasn't changed much since Bush's post 2005 administration which just proves it was far more reasonable than the early Bush administration. Anyways, what he did during the earlier years of his administration were what post 9/11 xenophobic americans wanted (at least in the polls,) so stop using him as a scapegoat and blame yourselves.

And now you all hate on Obama because he couldn't magick your country and economy into being perfect for everyone. American voters need some serious perspective, and need to realise their government is a reflection of the american power majority just like post-9/11 the loudest group of people were xenophobes and revenge seekers.

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]He was an absolutely atrocious president. He was one of the worst presidents of all time. By every possible measurement, the country was in worse shape when he left office than when he took office and for most of those years he had his own party in control over the other levers of government. You can claim that a president doesn't have control over everything, for example the economy, but when there's not a single thing you can point to either foreign or domestic that has improved since you took office then it's safe to say that you were a monumental failure as a chief executive. He was intellectually incurious and took pride in ignorance. I don't even begin to feel sorry for him.chessmaster1989

Really now? You trace this all to the President without noting any of the particulars? This thread is a painful reminder as to why Bush-bashers simply cannot be reasoned with.

Your decidedly partisan claims just aren't quantifiable, at all. One of the worst presidents of all time? Seriously? Really?

Ah, your rhetoric never ceases to amuse me.

Yes, well you know what they say about people who laugh when nothing is funny.

The family moron gets given a baseball team, messes it up. hillelslovak

You mean where he invested $600,000 and made $15 million? Boy, what a screw up.

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"]The family moron gets given a baseball team, messes it up. QuistisTrepe_

You mean where he invested $600,000 and made $15 million? Boy, what a screw up.

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[QUOTE="hillelslovak"]The family moron gets given a baseball team, messes it up. Theokhoth

You mean where he invested $600,000 and made $15 million? Boy, what a screw up.

Damn, it's tough to take on that kind of logic. If the thread topic were, "stuff that occurred in 2010,' I'd be pretty owned.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

You mean where he invested $600,000 and made $15 million? Boy, what a screw up.

QuistisTrepe_

Damn, it's tough to take on that kind of logic. If the thread topic were, "stuff that occurred in 2010,' I'd be pretty owned.

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] BP posted record profits in the year 2010. Therefore, BP did not screw up in the year 2010.Theokhoth

Damn, it's tough to take on that kind of logic. If the thread topic were, "stuff that occurred in 2010,' I'd be pretty owned.

Hey now, logic only applies when it supports your argument. Didn't you know? :P

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] BP posted record profits in the year 2010. Therefore, BP did not screw up in the year 2010.Theokhoth

Damn, it's tough to take on that kind of logic. If the thread topic were, "stuff that occurred in 2010,' I'd be pretty owned.

However, since one has absolutely nothing to do with the other........

:?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Damn, it's tough to take on that kind of logic. If the thread topic were, "stuff that occurred in 2010,' I'd be pretty owned.

chessmaster1989

Hey now, logic only applies when it supports your argument. Didn't you know? :P

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Damn, it's tough to take on that kind of logic. If the thread topic were, "stuff that occurred in 2010,' I'd be pretty owned.

QuistisTrepe_

However since one has absolutely nothing to do with the other........

:?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Damn, it's tough to take on that kind of logic. If the thread topic were, "stuff that occurred in 2010,' I'd be pretty owned.

chessmaster1989

Hey now, logic only applies when it supports your argument. Didn't you know? :P

Do either of you even know what it is you're arguing at this point?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Damn, it's tough to take on that kind of logic. If the thread topic were, "stuff that occurred in 2010,' I'd be pretty owned.

QuistisTrepe_

However, since one has absolutely nothing to do with the other........

:?

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Except, according to your logic, the fact that Bush made a profit means he did not screw up. Gasp, I'm applying logic to more than one scenario.T_P_O

However since one has absolutely nothing to do with the other........

:?

A personal business transaction involving a baseball team that occurred in 1998 and an oil spill that occurred in 2010, totally. I can see how they relate.

Wow.:roll:

[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

However since one has absolutely nothing to do with the other........

:?

QuistisTrepe_

A personal business transaction involving a baseball team that occurred in 1998 and an oil spill that occurred in 2010, totally. I can see how they relate.

Wow.:roll:

edit: theo already cleared up. Take it up with him.

[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

However since one has absolutely nothing to do with the other........

:?

QuistisTrepe_

A personal business transaction involving a baseball team that occurred in 1998 and an oil spill that occurred in 2010, totally. I can see how they relate.

Wow.:roll:

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Except, according to your logic, the fact that Bush made a profit means he did not screw up. Gasp, I'm applying logic to more than one scenario.Theokhoth

However, since one has absolutely nothing to do with the other........

:?

Uh, no. What does that have to do with domestic and foreign events that affect a president? Your logic is incoherent. Again, do you know what it is you're arguing at this point?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

However, since one has absolutely nothing to do with the other........

:?

QuistisTrepe_

Uh, no. What does that have to do with domestic and foreign events that affect a president? Your logic is incoherent. Again, do you know what it is you're arguing at this point?

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] You: XYZ Makes profit. Therefore, XYZ is successful. Me: XYZ makes profit. Therefore, XYZ is successful. It is the exact same reasoning applied to different scenarios. Something people do when they want to be consistent or remotely reasonable.Theokhoth

Uh, no. What does that have to do with domestic and foreign events that affect a president? Your logic is incoherent. Again, do you know what it is you're arguing at this point?

I don't know, I'm still observing your attempt to make a point based off events that have no contextual relationship whatsoever. By all means, don't let me stop you, you're on a roll.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Uh, no. What does that have to do with domestic and foreign events that affect a president? Your logic is incoherent. Again, do you know what it is you're arguing at this point?

QuistisTrepe_

I don't know, I'm still observing your attempt to make a point based off events that have no contextual relation whatsoever. By all means, don't let me stop you, you're on a roll.

Nixon was a much better president than Bush.

The end point: the fact that George Bush made a considerable profit on his baseball team does not mean George Bush was successful with his baseball team.Theokhoth

So the value of the team rose while Bush was a partner, making it a successful investment, but that's not success. The fuzzy math here amazes me, making nearly 25 times back on an investment, isn't considered successful? You choose to spin this another way, for what reason I don't know, and don't really care to know. This is why your analogy doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. Your world view completely skewed your sense of context. I was taking issue with a mere part of someone's quote merely for the sake of stating a fact. You're wanting to turn this into an entirely different subject.

This is why I asked you if you had any idea of what it was you were trying to argue for or against.

Tip for future presidents: yes, other countries do matter.

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] I'm arguing your ability to reason effectively. Domestic and foreign events that affect a president have nothing to do with reasoning?Theokhoth

I don't know, I'm still observing your attempt to make a point based off events that have no contextual relation whatsoever. By all means, don't let me stop you, you're on a roll.

How was he not successful with it?

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]He was an absolutely atrocious president. He was one of the worst presidents of all time. By every possible measurement, the country was in worse shape when he left office than when he took office and for most of those years he had his own party in control over the other levers of government. You can claim that a president doesn't have control over everything, for example the economy, but when there's not a single thing you can point to either foreign or domestic that has improved since you took office then it's safe to say that you were a monumental failure as a chief executive. He was intellectually incurious and took pride in ignorance. I don't even begin to feel sorry for him.QuistisTrepe_

Really now? You trace this all to the President without noting any of the particulars? This thread is a painful reminder as to why Bush-bashers simply cannot be reasoned with.

Your decidedly partisan claims just aren't quantifiable, at all. One of the worst presidents of all time? Seriously? Really?

He's by no means the worst president of all time or as stupid as the press portrayed him. Hoover, Carter, Harding, and a vast majority of the presidents we had during the 1800s take the proverbial cake. However, he wasn't a great president, either. He made a lot of crucial mistakes.

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]He was an absolutely atrocious president. He was one of the worst presidents of all time. By every possible measurement, the country was in worse shape when he left office than when he took office and for most of those years he had his own party in control over the other levers of government. You can claim that a president doesn't have control over everything, for example the economy, but when there's not a single thing you can point to either foreign or domestic that has improved since you took office then it's safe to say that you were a monumental failure as a chief executive. He was intellectually incurious and took pride in ignorance. I don't even begin to feel sorry for him.Serraph105

Really now? You trace this all to the President without noting any of the particulars? This thread is a painful reminder as to why Bush-bashers simply cannot be reasoned with.

Your decidedly partisan claims just aren't quantifiable, at all. One of the worst presidents of all time? Seriously? Really?

You didn't actually read what I posted. My point wasn't making the case as to why Bush was a good president, I was pointing out the fact that no reason was given as to why Bush was the among the worst presidents ever.

Oh, and try not to make it about me for once.