Anyone else feel bad for George W. Bush?

Not really.

He's by no means the worst president of all time or as stupid as the press portrayed him. Hoover, Carter, Harding, and a vast majority of the presidents we had during the 1800s take the proverbial cake. However, he wasn't a great president, either. He made a lot of crucial mistakes.

The_AI

Buchanan and Johnson would probably be the worst of the worst. Most of the Presidents between 1830 and 1860, besides Jackson and Polk, are not held in high regard.

[QUOTE="The_AI"]

He's by no means the worst president of all time or as stupid as the press portrayed him. Hoover, Carter, Harding, and a vast majority of the presidents we had during the 1800s take the proverbial cake. However, he wasn't a great president, either. He made a lot of crucial mistakes.

ragek1ll589

Buchanan and Johnson would probably be the worst of the worst. Most of the Presidents between 1830 and 1860, besides Jackson and Polk, are not held in high regard.

Carter, Kennedy, LBJ, Hoover, Fillmore, Wilson, and Jefferson surely give them a run for their money.

[QUOTE="ragek1ll589"]

[QUOTE="The_AI"]

He's by no means the worst president of all time or as stupid as the press portrayed him. Hoover, Carter, Harding, and a vast majority of the presidents we had during the 1800s take the proverbial cake. However, he wasn't a great president, either. He made a lot of crucial mistakes.

QuistisTrepe_

Buchanan and Johnson would probably be the worst of the worst. Most of the Presidents between 1830 and 1860, besides Jackson and Polk, are not held in high regard.

Carter, Kennedy, LBJ, Hoover, Fillmore, Wilson, and Jefferson surely give them a run for their money.

I'm curious as to why you think Jefferson would be there.

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[QUOTE="ragek1ll589"]

Buchanan and Johnson would probably be the worst of the worst. Most of the Presidents between 1830 and 1860, besides Jackson and Polk, are not held in high regard.

ragek1ll589

Carter, Kennedy, LBJ, Hoover, Fillmore, Wilson, and Jefferson surely give them a run for their money.

I'm curious as to why you think Jefferson would be there.

The Embargo and Non-Importation Acts for starters.

I don't feel bad for George W. Bush. But, as a president, I think he has unfairly received a ridiculous amount of blame for things that were out of his control.

The president represents his country, but it's ill-informed and irresponsible to mindlessly place every bad thing that happens at his feet, or to malign his name just because you don't agree with his policies.

Same thing goes for Obama, in my opinion. I don't agree with a lot of Obama's policies, but when idiots try to mud-sling him due to things like the oil spill situation, it's pathetic...much like idiots on the other side who were mud-slinging Bush for Katrina. Neither president can magically erase tragedy.

Bottom line, extremism is more often than not, a detriment to society. No matter who the leader is, it really does not benefit anyone in society to mindlessly ridicule and malign someone without legitimate cause.

He was a good President. Sure, MAYBE he might have made some mistakes. He seems to be a family man, a nice guy. And yet psycho lefties kept trying to destroy him, calling him all sorts of vlie crap. He was just doing his job. I'd like to see one of those hippy freaks run the country for a day. We'd probably be at record unemployment or something.

Anyone have any ideas?

MaxPred2010

He was a good President. Sure, MAYBE he might have made some mistakes. He seems to be a family man, a nice guy. And yet psycho lefties kept trying to destroy him, calling him all sorts of vlie crap. He was just doing his job. I'd like to see one of those hippy freaks run the country for a day. We'd probably be at record unemployment or something.

Anyone have any ideas?

MaxPred2010

You're pretty close to record unemployment right now, are you not?

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[QUOTE="The_AI"]

He's by no means the worst president of all time or as stupid as the press portrayed him. Hoover, Carter, Harding, and a vast majority of the presidents we had during the 1800s take the proverbial cake. However, he wasn't a great president, either. He made a lot of crucial mistakes.

QuistisTrepe_

Buchanan and Johnson would probably be the worst of the worst. Most of the Presidents between 1830 and 1860, besides Jackson and Polk, are not held in high regard.

Carter, Kennedy, LBJ, Hoover, Fillmore, Wilson, and Jefferson surely give them a run for their money.

Fillmore is the only one on that list who could compete for the worst of the worst, though Hoover was pretty bad as well. The others are definitely not the worst...

And yet psycho lefties kept trying to destroy him, calling him all sorts of vlie crap.

MaxPred2010

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[QUOTE="ragek1ll589"]

Buchanan and Johnson would probably be the worst of the worst. Most of the Presidents between 1830 and 1860, besides Jackson and Polk, are not held in high regard.

chessmaster1989

Carter, Kennedy, LBJ, Hoover, Fillmore, Wilson, and Jefferson surely give them a run for their money.

Fillmore is the only one on that list who could compete for the worst of the worst, though Hoover was pretty bad as well. The others are definitely not the worst...

Carter is generally regarded as the worst of the worst, I'm really not sure why anyone would bother to debate this. Kennedy was a weak-kneed leader in way over his head, Wilson got us into a pointless war that we had no business fighting, LBJ got us into another pointless war for a reason that was completely fabricated, and Jefferson's decisions single-handedly imploded the American economy.

[QUOTE="The_AI"]

He's by no means the worst president of all time or as stupid as the press portrayed him. Hoover, Carter, Harding, and a vast majority of the presidents we had during the 1800s take the proverbial cake. However, he wasn't a great president, either. He made a lot of crucial mistakes.

ragek1ll589

Buchanan and Johnson would probably be the worst of the worst. Most of the Presidents between 1830 and 1860, besides Jackson and Polk, are not held in high regard.

Polk is held in high regard? He expanded the US, but did so in rather morally bankrupt fashion, and with a war that was pretty unpopular. I never thought of him as a bad president, but never stood out as a good one either.

And LBJ shouldn't be in the list with the worst presidents. Hes not the one that got us into Vietnam, he just got the blame.

>Carter is generally regarded as the worst of the worst, I'm really not sure why anyone would bother to debate this.QuistisTrepe_

Because it's untrue?

No scholarly or popular opinion poll has ever rated Carter as the worst US President.

Muhammad was definitely the worst prophet of all time, I know this from history. He didn't always preach peace, and he certainly wasn't alwats non-violent like some of his followers try to convince others of.

Historically speaking, he was a very bad man.

What does this have to do with the thread? It points out the hypocrisy and blind faith of some in Islam, on the one hand they cite their reasons for not liking Bush, usually war related, yet Muhammad was a war monger himself, and he's supposed to be a prophet.

p2250

[QUOTE="MaxPred2010"]

He was a good President. Sure, MAYBE he might have made some mistakes. He seems to be a family man, a nice guy. And yet psycho lefties kept trying to destroy him, calling him all sorts of vlie crap. He was just doing his job. I'd like to see one of those hippy freaks run the country for a day. We'd probably be at record unemployment or something.

Anyone have any ideas?

67gt500

You're pretty close to record unemployment right now, are you not?

Not by a long shot.

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]>Carter is generally regarded as the worst of the worst, I'm really not sure why anyone would bother to debate this.Danm_999

Because it's untrue?

No scholarly or popular opinion poll has ever rated Carter as the worst US President.

If a bunch of scholars say it, then it must be true. See the election of 1980 for a better reference.

[QUOTE="ragek1ll589"]

[QUOTE="The_AI"]

He's by no means the worst president of all time or as stupid as the press portrayed him. Hoover, Carter, Harding, and a vast majority of the presidents we had during the 1800s take the proverbial cake. However, he wasn't a great president, either. He made a lot of crucial mistakes.

magnax1

Buchanan and Johnson would probably be the worst of the worst. Most of the Presidents between 1830 and 1860, besides Jackson and Polk, are not held in high regard.

Polk is held in high regard? He expanded the US, but did so in rather morally bankrupt fashion, and with a war that was pretty unpopular. I never thought of him as a bad president, but never stood out as a good one either.

And LBJ shouldn't be in the list with the worst presidents. Hes not the one that got us into Vietnam, he just got the blame.

LBJ committed the U.S. to full scale war and continued to escalate Vietnam, micromanaging it from D.C. Though in a way, we ought to be grateful for his contribution. In the aftermath of Vietnam, we no longer conscript for our armed forces.

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[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]>Carter is generally regarded as the worst of the worst, I'm really not sure why anyone would bother to debate this.QuistisTrepe_

Because it's untrue?

No scholarly or popular opinion poll has ever rated Carter as the worst US President.

If a bunch of scholars say it, then it must be true. See the election of 1980 for a better reference.

He was a good President. Sure, MAYBE he might have made some mistakes. He seems to be a family man, a nice guy.

MaxPred2010

Waging an unnecessary war, what a nice guy.

I despise the man.

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[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

Because it's untrue?

No scholarly or popular opinion poll has ever rated Carter as the worst US President.

Danm_999

If a bunch of scholars say it, then it must be true. See the election of 1980 for a better reference.

How is that anti-intellectual and who do you think you are to make such a distinction? That's called analysis based on actual events. Someone posts Wikipedia as a source complaining of "the anti-intellectual argument might rear it's head," indeed.

EDIT: Just for laughs I decided to peer over your source. Oh man. So wait, 2% of the "people" in a poll thought that Carter was great and this is the data from which your draw you conclusion? Really? Oh I forgot, you're the intellectual here. How dare I come at you with my feeble anti-intellectual reply. But spoken as an anti-intellectual, doesn't that mean that 98% of the respondents didn't think Carter was a great president?

Here's a hint as to why Carter was terrible, let's start with his handling of the Terhan hostage crisis and the laughable Operation Eagle Claw, so poorly conceived and doomed to fail that his own Secretary of State resigned in protest. Even after the Shah died, neutralizing the captor's demands, Carter still couldn't get the hostages freed.

Responding to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan with a wheat embargo and boycotting the Olympics? Oh yeah. that really rocked them hard.

Canceling oil imports imports from Iran and crippling the American economy, another brilliant move.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

If a bunch of scholars say it, then it must be true. See the election of 1980 for a better reference.

QuistisTrepe_

How is that anti-intellectual and who do you think you are to make such a distinction? That's called analysis based on actual events. Someone posts Wikipedia as a source complaining of "the anti-intellectual argument might rear it's head," indeed.

[QUOTE="p2250"]

Muhammad was definitely the worst prophet of all time, I know this from history. He didn't always preach peace, and he certainly wasn't alwats non-violent like some of his followers try to convince others of.

Historically speaking, he was a very bad man.

What does this have to do with the thread? It points out the hypocrisy and blind faith of some in Islam, on the one hand they cite their reasons for not liking Bush, usually war related, yet Muhammad was a war monger himself, and he's supposed to be a prophet.

You support Bush, who many believe is a warmonger president, yet you hate Islam because you think they're warmongers?

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[QUOTE="p2250"]

Muhammad was definitely the worst prophet of all time, I know this from history. He didn't always preach peace, and he certainly wasn't alwats non-violent like some of his followers try to convince others of.

Historically speaking, he was a very bad man.

What does this have to do with the thread? It points out the hypocrisy and blind faith of some in Islam, on the one hand they cite their reasons for not liking Bush, usually war related, yet Muhammad was a war monger himself, and he's supposed to be a prophet.

p2250

You support Bush, who many believe is a warmonger president, yet you hate Islam because you think they're warmongers?

Islam declared war on the US on 9/11.p2250

No, a bunch of sadistic murderers declared war on the U.S. Please don't drag all Muslims into this.

[QUOTE="p2250"]Islam declared war on the US on 9/11.QuistisTrepe_

No, a bunch of sadistic murderers declared war on the U.S. Please don't drag all Muslims into this.

Islam declared war on the US on 9/11.p2250

No, a bunch of sadistic murderers declared war on the U.S. Please don't drag all Muslims into this.

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="p2250"]Islam declared war on the US on 9/11.p2250

No, a bunch of sadistic murderers declared war on the U.S. Please don't drag all Muslims into this.

People have never done anything bad in the name of religion in all of human history except Muslims, I've never heard of this.

After causing a year & an half of unemployment plus killing countless of Americans on a pointless war..... yeah I don't feel bad for the dumb monkey. "I wanted to say something insulting but I don't want to be "corrected" or banned." Has anyone seen the footage of him giving speeches? Frick..... Some of the stuff he does is a big no no from Speech 101 or even from a 200 level standpoint...... How the hell was he our President for 8 years? Whoever voted for him was a moron.,,,,

I never heard of any major religious figure, or prophet, do violent things, except the prophet of Islam. He's the only one I can think of that justified violence against others.

After causing a year & an half of unemployment plus killing countless of Americans on a pointless war.....

envybianchi

So wait, all Americans were left unemployed by a guy who hasn't held elected office in over two years? Oh, and the casualties weren't countless.

I never heard of any major religious figure, or prophet, do violent things, except the prophet of Islam. He's the only one I can think of that justified violence against others.

p2250

Really?

[QUOTE="p2250"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

No, a bunch of sadistic murderers declared war on the U.S. Please don't drag all Muslims into this.

QuistisTrepe_

People have never done anything bad in the name of religion in all of human history except Muslims, I've never heard of this.

Are you serious? Are you so blind that you only see propaganda? Christians have fricked over every single culture on this Earth much worst than Muslims. Muslims only got a bad name because of the Extremists who misuse Islam for their own personal actions. The Islamic religion is peaceful within itself but you have Christian Priests molesting children all over the World but that doesn't make it on the news because the Pope pardons them or doesn't acknowledge their actions. Nearly 99% of the Priest that have commited such Pedophillic atrocities have been let loose or unacknowledged to a certain extent. (Basically, they were above the LAW). Cultures have been demolished or are on the brink of extinction because of Christianity. Do you want me to keep on going? Give me a break.

Don't get me wrong. Each single religion has done something henious in the name of their Lord/God but don't single out one religion because of some Extremist nutjob that takes the Quran/Bible literally.

Where does Jesus say in the New Testament to commit acts of violence? Can you show me some passages that show him beheading people?

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

It was only a matter of time before 9/11 happened, Islamic ideology calls for jihad. Don't forget, jihad is not something al-Qaida made up themselves, they read it in the Quran.p2250

People have never done anything bad in the name of religion in all of human history except Muslims, I've never heard of this.

Are you serious? Are you so blind that you only see propaganda? Christians have fricked over every single culture on this Earth much worst than Muslims. Muslims only got a bad name because of the Extremists who misuse Islam for their own personal actions. The Islamic religion is peaceful within itself but you have Christian Priests molesting children all over the World but that doesn't make it on the news because the Pope pardons them or doesn't acknowledge their actions. Nearly 99% of the Priest that have commited such Pedophillic atrocities have been let loose or unacknowledged to a certain extent. (Basically, they were above the LAW). Cultures have been demolished or are on the brink of extinction because of Christianity. Do you want me to keep on going? Give me a break.

Don't get me wrong. Each single religion has done something henious in the name of their Lord/God but don't single out one religion because of some Extremist nutjob that takes the Quran/Bible literally.

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="p2250"] It was only a matter of time before 9/11 happened, Islamic ideology calls for jihad. Don't forget, jihad is not something al-Qaida made up themselves, they read it in the Quran.envybianchi

People have never done anything bad in the name of religion in all of human history except Muslims, I've never heard of this.

Are you serious? Are you so blind that you only see propaganda? Christians have fricked over every single culture on this Earth much worst than Muslims. Muslims only got a bad name because of the Extremists who misuse Islam for their own personal actions. The Islamic religion is peaceful within itself but you have Christian Priests molesting children all over the World but that doesn't make it on the news because the Pope pardons them or doesn't acknowledge their actions. Nearly 99% of the Priest that have commited such Pedophillic atrocities have been let loose or unacknowledged to a certain extent. (Basically, they were above the LAW). Cultures have been demolished or are on the brink of extinction because of Christianity. Do you want me to keep on going? Give me a break.

Don't get me wrong. Each single religion has done something henious in the name of their Lord/God but don't single out one religion because of some Extremist nutjob that takes the Quran/Bible literally.

You missed teh sarcasm. :P

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="p2250"] It was only a matter of time before 9/11 happened, Islamic ideology calls for jihad. Don't forget, jihad is not something al-Qaida made up themselves, they read it in the Quran.envybianchi

People have never done anything bad in the name of religion in all of human history except Muslims, I've never heard of this.

Are you serious?

No, of course I'm not serious.

Where does Jesus say in the New Testament to commit acts of violence? Can you show me some passages that show him beheading people?

p2250

You said religious leaders, so I cited some.

The man was one of the worst presidents this country has ever seen, perhaps only slightly above Harding on my list. He was foolish, deliberately ignorant, had flagrant disregard for due process of the separation of powers, warmongering, incompetent and enforced bigoted socially conservative laws. He was NOT a facist or a dictator, as ultra-leftists will ignorantly label him, but he was pretty awful. A few Bush policies I agreed with: This stimulus package, increased foreign aid to Africa, invading Afghanistan.

enforced bigoted socially conservative laws.

Brendissimo35

I'm sure glad that Obama hasn't done anything like that.

Show me where Jesus says it ok. He's Chrsitinaity's main authority figure and moral example.

I want to know how followers of Islam reconcile their own faith and beliefs on peacewith some of the actions of the prophet.

[QUOTE="envybianchi"]

After causing a year & an half of unemployment plus killing countless of Americans on a pointless war.....

QuistisTrepe_

So wait, all Americans were left unemployed by a guy who hasn't held elected office in over two years? Oh, and the casualties weren't countless.

It may not be countless but we had the highest death rate compared to any other country. http://icasualties.org/OEF/index.aspx Adding to that the amount of wounded adds to the damage of not only physical but physchological damage that will probably ensue for years to come & a burden to society. I'm not blaming them by the way.... It's just sad that we have had Americans who had to suffer. Doesn't matter if it is a hundred or a thousand or more. It's was an unnecessary war. Period.

By the way, Bush was elected around 2001 to 2009. Unemployment & economy decline started around 2008 to 2009 so yeah..... WAYYYY BEFORE OBAMA got into office SO BUSH was to blame for OR at least his actions were to blame for. Unemployment & such has a massive effect & carries on over a few years before it can be rebalanced. Obama unfortunately had to take the brunt of Bush's idiotic mistakes. Take a few Economics studies at your nearest University or CC. You'll get it.

The man was one of the worst presidents this country has ever seen, perhaps only slightly above Harding on my list. He was foolish, deliberately ignorant, had flagrant disregard for due process of the separation of powers, warmongering, incompetent and enforced bigoted socially conservative laws. He was NOT a facist or a dictator, as ultra-leftists will ignorantly label him, but he was pretty awful. A few Bush policies I agreed with: This stimulus package, increased foreign aid to Africa, invading Afghanistan.

Brendissimo35

[QUOTE="envybianchi"]

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

People have never done anything bad in the name of religion in all of human history except Muslims, I've never heard of this.

chessmaster1989

Are you serious? Are you so blind that you only see propaganda? Christians have fricked over every single culture on this Earth much worst than Muslims. Muslims only got a bad name because of the Extremists who misuse Islam for their own personal actions. The Islamic religion is peaceful within itself but you have Christian Priests molesting children all over the World but that doesn't make it on the news because the Pope pardons them or doesn't acknowledge their actions. Nearly 99% of the Priest that have commited such Pedophillic atrocities have been let loose or unacknowledged to a certain extent. (Basically, they were above the LAW). Cultures have been demolished or are on the brink of extinction because of Christianity. Do you want me to keep on going? Give me a break.

Don't get me wrong. Each single religion has done something henious in the name of their Lord/God but don't single out one religion because of some Extremist nutjob that takes the Quran/Bible literally.

You missed teh sarcasm. :P

Oh! LOL! I'm blushing now..... It's hard to tell when people are being sarcastic over msgs. My bad. :P

[QUOTE="p2250"]

Muhammad was definitely the worst prophet of all time, I know this from history. He didn't always preach peace, and he certainly wasn't alwats non-violent like some of his followers try to convince others of.

Historically speaking, he was a very bad man.

What does this have to do with the thread? It points out the hypocrisy and blind faith of some in Islam, on the one hand they cite their reasons for not liking Bush, usually war related, yet Muhammad was a war monger himself, and he's supposed to be a prophet.

one_plum

You support Bush, who many believe is a warmonger president, yet you hate Islam because you think they're warmongers?

This is somewhat off-topic, but Mohammed, the founder of Islam and its preeminent prophet, WAS a war monger. He lived by the sword. Mohammed led his armies into territory after territory, conquering and subjugating peoples and tribes. Basically, he gave the conquered a choice...embrace Islam or receive the death you deserve as an unbeliever. Tell you what. Go into a Mosque next Friday (their day of worship) and ask the people there if they agree with what Mohammed practiced. Although, they will tell you that Islam means peace, it is a peace brought about by force. Islam was a religion spread by the sword.

There is no reason to hate or mistreat Muslims, but let's get history straight.

I am in no way, defending the US government's foreign policies. I'm just stating this because it seems you may not know the history of Islam.