Are men discriminated against??

lol The average woman would rather have beauty than brains, because the average man can see better than he can think

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[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

Yeah but theres tons of links showing on google how many men are abused by women every year. Theres tons.

Yeah thats what I hate, women and men both need protecting. They only think women need protecting though. It's sad that men don't report it when they get abused, and many police officers just don't believe that women can abuse men, it's sad but true.

I've heard stories about good looking women who have killed men before, and it doesn't get lots of attention and I sometimes hear about the women only getting like 10 years in prison.

There was a story I heard a while ago of someone called Lorena Bobbitt, she said her ex husband abused her and raped her, but there wasn't any proof I don't think. Even if there was proof, it was still wrong what she did.
She castrated her ex husband, and you know what?? She was found not guilty due to insanity. So she almost killed her ex husband, but she was found not guilty.
The feminists actually think she is a hero because of what she did.

How does that make her a hero because she castrated her ex husband?? If someone raped me and I beat up that person, I would probably be sent to prison for abuse and the person who raped me would probably get away with it.

joshrocks2245

Ever consider she went insane because of her husband's constant abuse? What she did was in no means right and she should not be considered a hero but insane people do not get sent to prison, that is why she did not go to prison, if a women murdered and tortured while being in a sane state of mind then she would have gone to prison for the same length of time as a man.

How do you know she went insane because of that reason?? Is there proof?
Can you show me any proof that some women have been sent to jail for murdering their husbands? I honestly haven't heard that happen that many times.

You were the one who brought the case up saying she was put into mental care rather then jail, I have no knowledge of the case before hand, I would assume that smarter people then you or I with more knowledge of the circumstances would have judged her mentally unfit. What exactly makes you assume she wasn't insane besides your apparent bias in the case?

Do you see the irony in you asking me for proof? :roll:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-butcher8-2009apr08,0,4833545.story

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/world-news/women-who-set-husband-afire-charged-with-murder_100139105.htm

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-182190252.html

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Woman-charged-with-murder-of-de-facto-husband/2004/12/30/1104344932601.html

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/08/28/2017073.htm

(sorry glitchspot isn't letting me post links)

Men are discriminated against when it comes to things like fighting, yes.

Woman are discriminated against for everything else: intelligence, strength, etc. and women in many cultures are still subservient to men.

It's still better to be a man in this world, and that's unnaceptable.

i don't think we are, i know we are. discrimination of all sorts seems to be a human trait

Yes, we rather are. Just think about it, in movies/tv men are far to often portrayed as dumb drunks while women are more intelligent and attractive. Stereotypes FTWHead_of_games

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"]Yes, we rather are. Just think about it, in movies/tv men are far to often portrayed as dumb drunks while women are more intelligent and attractive. Stereotypes FTWgobo212

Every group gets stereotyped/discriminated against at some point. In general men get discriminated much less then women.gobo212

Or maybe it's just women are extremely loud with their opinions on the topic. For every man I know of who thinks women are just a walking pair of boobs and a vagina there's 3 women I know who think all men are mindless dogs to be trained to obey.

Luckly, my friends and I are completely walled off from that part of society and live life laughing at them.

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Maybe I should stay out of this one, as I would probably cause more harm than good...

tofu-lion91

[QUOTE="tofu-lion91"][QUOTE="spoofnutz"]

Maybe I should stay out of this one, as I would probably cause more harm than good...

Famiking

[QUOTE="tofu-lion91"][QUOTE="spoofnutz"]

Maybe I should stay out of this one, as I would probably cause more harm than good...

Famiking

Saying "fact" doesnt make something true. Ahah. True feminists are for equal rights.

[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="tofu-lion91"] Let me guess, you think women belong in the kitchen :roll:miinnx

Saying "fact" doesnt make something true. Ahah. True feminists are for equal rights.

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[QUOTE="Famiking"] Masculists argue for equal rights - feminists argue for women rights. Fact.Famiking

Saying "fact" doesnt make something true. Ahah. True feminists are for equal rights.

You only think that because it helps validate your beliefs.

You only think that because it helps validate your beliefs.

miinnx

Okay, if you can give me a masculist belief that is anti-woman or anti-equal rights, and that that view is not an uncommon one then I'll be convinced.

AFAIC, feminists argue:

-"Men are stupid, violent, sex savages".
-"The father should have no say as to whether a woman should get an abortion or not".
-"Women are better parents, custody should slide to their side".

[QUOTE=" miinnx "]You only think that because it helps validate your beliefs.

Famiking

Okay, if you can give me a masculist belief that is anti-woman or anti-equal rights, and that that view is not an uncommon one then I'll be convinced.

AFAIC, feminists argue:

-"Men are stupid, violent, sex savages".
-"The father should have no say as to whether a woman should get an abortion or not".
-"Women are better parents, custody should slide to their side".

They arent real feminists. I could claim myself a masculist and say horrible things about women, and that would make them true and a part of the masculist movement? Just because I call myself that?

They arent real feminists. I could claim myself a masculist and say horrible things about women, and that would make them true and a part of the masculist movement? Just because I call myself that?

miinnx

And anti-feminism is associated with conservatism, not masculism.

Indirectly. It is gendered stereotypes that assume that men, just like women, have to fulfill specific gender roles. Like being strong, emotionless, prideful and the bread-winner. While women are weak, emotional, selfless and mothers.

No matter what anyone thinks, gender stereotypes are still very strongly prevalent in society, and the feminists really haven't done much considering how vehement they have been about it. Looking at advertising media, women are still objects created for men's pleasure.

I miss the days when women was like our property

999realthings

Here's an idea:

Why do you start a campaign for men. Shelters for men who are abused, create little magnetic decals for cars promoting prostate cancer awareness and sponsor a tele-a-thon that raises awareness and money for the issue of woman on man violence.

You'll fail miserably because you apparently can't connect the dots and understand why these issues don't recieve the same kind of attention that women's issues receieve.

I think I've seen you posting something like this before...why is you and other like you get so bent out of shape over a perceieved injustice?

Here's an idea:

Why do you start a campaign for men. Shelters for men who are abused, create little magnetic decals for cars promoting prostate cancer awareness and sponsor a tele-a-thon that raises awareness and money for the issue of woman on man violence.

You'll fail miserably because you apparently can't connect the dots and understand why these issues don't recieve the same kind of attention that women's issues receieve.

I think I've seen you posting something like this before...why is you and other like you get so bent out of shape over a perceieved injustice?

blaaah

Yeah I know I would fail because no one takes those things seriously.
People should take it seriously, but they never will.

So do you think women are a lot more important then men and deserve special treatment?? Do you think men should just not have any special treatment and just suffer?? Well we already are pretty much suffering.

Saying "fact" doesnt make something true. Ahah. True feminists are for equal rights.miinnx

It seems that they are.
First of all lots, of people think men are evil if they defend them selves against a women. If a man is in a relationship and the women cheats usually people will still think the man is the bad person, and they will blame the man for the women cheating.
Also I've found out recently that there is a lot more attention payed to breast cancer then prostate cancer.

I feel like I am discriminated against, it's like if I get prostate cancer no one will help cause no one pays attention to it, if I get beat up by a women there is no shelter for men to go to.
All the time I always hear about deadbeat dads who can't pay child support, um not all men have great jobs and they still have bills to pay and all kinds of other stuff.

I was watching a youtube video and it was of a women beating up some man. She wasn't really beating him up it was fake, but they wanted to see how people would react.
So no one did anything, there was a women who cheered the other women on, and there was a cop who walked right by. The cop told someone that he didn't think the women could cause any harm to the man. Then the cop was asked "what if a man was beating up a women" and the cop said he would arrest the man.
So it's good to know if I am getting beat up that no one will help me, people say not to hit a women back but if a women is beating me up I will defend my self cause no one else will help.


So do you think men are discriminated against??

joshrocks2245

First off, you're talking in vague generalities. "Lots of people think men are evil if they defend themselves against a woman." That's such a loaded statement and you offer no instances of something to this effect happening. Second, you're walking a very thin line between self-defense and abuse, one that is easily crossed by people whi have a mysogynistic point of view.

People pay attention to prostate cancer, believe me. As soon as you turn 40 it's basically required that you get checked for it on a regular basis. Breast cancer is not only known to onset at different times, unlike prostate cancer which typically manifests itself only after a certain age, but the general awareness of breast cancer is pretty low compared to prostate cancer. The purpose of all the publicity is to educate women about what it really is, when in life they might need to worry about it, how to check for it, and what precautions to take which, like I said before, are all pretty commonly known things with prostate cancer.

Hypothetically, if you get beat up by your wife, does your wife kick you out of your own house? Does your wife make you afraid to be in the same house as you? Women are far more likely to be left without a place to go when in these situations than men, and besides I'm sure that if you really were put in that situation a woman's shelter wouldn't turn you away and would at least point you in the direction of somewhere that could take care of you.

If you can't pay child support, then that raises the question of why you had a child in teh first place if you don't have the means to support it, and that goes for both sexes, although men are more likely to be the ones paying child support simply because men are still more often the, "breadwinners," of the family.

Men are also, by and large, the perpitrators of violent crimes. 90% of murders with both female or male victims are perpitrated by other males, and there are 72,000 reported cases of women being raped each year, men a fraction of that. Women are also most likely to be raped by someone they know, and in a setting she considers safe.

So no, I don't think there's a double standard. Women have not yet overcome many of the obstacles and social barriers that have been there for centuries, and I certainly see no problem in being more focused on their issues if it means helping them overcome those obstacles. I don't agree with a cop not breaking up a fight if the woman is the agressor, but I tend to adhere to certain rules for living and one of those is don't believe everything that you see on YouTube. Most police I know would be appalled at the thought of simply walking past the scene of any public act of violence.

im sorry but are you looking for problems? men are not even close to the level of womens discrimination..breast cancer is getting more attention because its more dangerous not becuase doctors feel more sorry for sick patients that are female (and some men have breast cancer as well). who the hell blames the man when his wife cheats?! i do agree with you about that cop, but thats just one rare case and i think most cops would arrest the woman. also, you should just be happy that you barely get discriminated upon..as a girl i get discriminated a lot more then you.. even on something like playing video games..like the way some people assume that im bad at video games just based on my gender. everyone gets a little discriminated, but u probably get a lot less discriminated than other people.Iplayps3

[QUOTE="Iplayps3"]im sorry but are you looking for problems? men are not even close to the level of womens discrimination..breast cancer is getting more attention because its more dangerous not becuase doctors feel more sorry for sick patients that are female (and some men have breast cancer as well). who the hell blames the man when his wife cheats?! i do agree with you about that cop, but thats just one rare case and i think most cops would arrest the woman. also, you should just be happy that you barely get discriminated upon..as a girl i get discriminated a lot more then you.. even on something like playing video games..like the way some people assume that im bad at video games just based on my gender. everyone gets a little discriminated, but u probably get a lot less discriminated than other people.tofu-lion91

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

It seems that they are.
First of all lots, of people think men are evil if they defend them selves against a women. If a man is in a relationship and the women cheats usually people will still think the man is the bad person, and they will blame the man for the women cheating.
Also I've found out recently that there is a lot more attention payed to breast cancer then prostate cancer.

I feel like I am discriminated against, it's like if I get prostate cancer no one will help cause no one pays attention to it, if I get beat up by a women there is no shelter for men to go to.
All the time I always hear about deadbeat dads who can't pay child support, um not all men have great jobs and they still have bills to pay and all kinds of other stuff.

I was watching a youtube video and it was of a women beating up some man. She wasn't really beating him up it was fake, but they wanted to see how people would react.
So no one did anything, there was a women who cheered the other women on, and there was a cop who walked right by. The cop told someone that he didn't think the women could cause any harm to the man. Then the cop was asked "what if a man was beating up a women" and the cop said he would arrest the man.
So it's good to know if I am getting beat up that no one will help me, people say not to hit a women back but if a women is beating me up I will defend my self cause no one else will help.


So do you think men are discriminated against??

theone86

First off, you're talking in vague generalities. "Lots of people think men are evil if they defend themselves against a woman." That's such a loaded statement and you offer no instances of something to this effect happening. Second, you're walking a very thin line between self-defense and abuse, one that is easily crossed by people whi have a mysogynistic point of view.

People pay attention to prostate cancer, believe me. As soon as you turn 40 it's basically required that you get checked for it on a regular basis. Breast cancer is not only known to onset at different times, unlike prostate cancer which typically manifests itself only after a certain age, but the general awareness of breast cancer is pretty low compared to prostate cancer. The purpose of all the publicity is to educate women about what it really is, when in life they might need to worry about it, how to check for it, and what precautions to take which, like I said before, are all pretty commonly known things with prostate cancer.

Hypothetically, if you get beat up by your wife, does your wife kick you out of your own house? Does your wife make you afraid to be in the same house as you? Women are far more likely to be left without a place to go when in these situations than men, and besides I'm sure that if you really were put in that situation a woman's shelter wouldn't turn you away and would at least point you in the direction of somewhere that could take care of you.

If you can't pay child support, then that raises the question of why you had a child in teh first place if you don't have the means to support it, and that goes for both sexes, although men are more likely to be the ones paying child support simply because men are still more often the, "breadwinners," of the family.

Men are also, by and large, the perpitrators of violent crimes. 90% of murders with both female or male victims are perpitrated by other males, and there are 72,000 reported cases of women being raped each year, men a fraction of that. Women are also most likely to be raped by someone they know, and in a setting she considers safe.

So no, I don't think there's a double standard. Women have not yet overcome many of the obstacles and social barriers that have been there for centuries, and I certainly see no problem in being more focused on their issues if it means helping them overcome those obstacles. I don't agree with a cop not breaking up a fight if the woman is the agressor, but I tend to adhere to certain rules for living and one of those is don't believe everything that you see on YouTube. Most police I know would be appalled at the thought of simply walking past the scene of any public act of violence.

I've heard stories that some men go to womens shelter and they turn them away, they only really help children and women it seems, it would be nice if they would help men but I haven't heard of many helping men.

Yeah I know they always have to pay child support. Then if the man doesn't have enough money to pay child support, that man gets put on the news, he gets called a deadbeat dad and gets arrested. Then his life just goes downhill from there and doesn't get help from no body.

There are also a lot of reported cases of women making up lies that they were raped. It's happened a few times. I'm not saying everytime women lies about rape, but sometimes some of them do. Look at this story: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2886663.ece

Yes I think there is a double standard, it sure seems like there is one. Women already have overcame all the obstacles it seems to me, I've seen so many women get special treatment and so many men get treated just like scum.
Yeah but lots of cops don't think a women who beats up a man will cause any damage. I've heard lots of men say they don't call the cops if they are being abused by women because when they have called the cops before, they say the cops never believe the men.

So if some men are in a abusive relationship they just leave, but they still go back to the abusive person. The only way for the man to stop getting abused is to get a divorce or just run far away.

There are also a lot of reported cases of women making up lies that they were raped. It's happened a few times. I'm not saying everytime women lies about rape, but sometimes some of them do. Look at this story: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2886663.ece

joshrocks2245

I'm horrible at CS. And because I'm horrible at it, I spend most of my time dead. And because of that, I don't enjoy it. And because I don't enjoy it, I don't play it much. And because of that, I'm horrible at it. It's a vicious circle. >_>Funky_Llama

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Maybe I should stay out of this one, as I would probably cause more harm than good...

tofu-lion91

Is lame that most of the youger women are worse at the kitchen than the actual guys :(

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]First of all not every single man has a great job. It's not that easy to get a great job, and the people who get those jobs are both men and women and they work hard to get to the top.
The only reason people think men abuse women more then women who abuse men is because usually men won't tell anyone if they are abused. It's been proved that men get abused a lot.
If a women cheats sometime she gets blamed, but lots of the time I have heard men getting blamed when a women cheats. I have heard that a lot, many places.

tofu-lion91

Don't really know too many cheaters in real life... but, I have seen a thread or two about a wife cheating on her husband. A lot of the responses were 'it's ok, if he's really only 4" long you shouldn't have to deal with that' o_O So, there does seem to be a bit of difference there, as I haven't seen a case where people have said the reverse.

I just read through this whole thread. It is hilarious. Great way to wake up. In regards to the court system - which IMO is the strongest argument a man has in regards to discrimination - the courts always to look at what is best for the children -- regardless of why the couple is divorcing. Majority of the time, it is seen that a child is better suited to grow up with the mother than they are with the father. It can be argued that even if the mother doesn't want the child (sadly that is a reality), she is given the child because she carried that child in their womb and birthed that child and gender roles suggest that mother = nurturer thus MUST be the best caregiver between the two. So really, its discrimination that goes both ways. On that note: When my parents divorced, the court granted custody to my dad. It does happen, and happens a lot more than one might think. And then, it was discussed between my parents that it would be best that we grow up with my mother... why? Because she is much more nurturing. Ha! I will not bother addressing the other topics brought up in this thread. They were already addressed well or are just circumstances of individuals who decide their own fate (a man choosing not leave an abusive relationship for fear of ridicule? That is their own fate). Sajedene

It doesn't make sense though if a women doesn't want the child she is still given the child.
Thats like if a women is abusing her children and they have proof, but they still let her keep the child.

So they just let the women keep the child no matter what because she carried the child in her womb??
Can't a father be good to his kids, and raise them good??

I have chosen to never be a father because I wouldn't want my child taken away from me, and I think it's unbelievable how badly men are discriminated against. No one thinks it's a problem that most men don't have their children, and even if the mother is extremely abusive, she still gets to keep the children.

Well men do leave abusive relationships, but if they tell the cops the women was abusive usually the cops will just laugh and they don't do anything about it.

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]I just read through this whole thread. It is hilarious. Great way to wake up. In regards to the court system - which IMO is the strongest argument a man has in regards to discrimination - the courts always to look at what is best for the children -- regardless of why the couple is divorcing. Majority of the time, it is seen that a child is better suited to grow up with the mother than they are with the father. It can be argued that even if the mother doesn't want the child (sadly that is a reality), she is given the child because she carried that child in their womb and birthed that child and gender roles suggest that mother = nurturer thus MUST be the best caregiver between the two. So really, its discrimination that goes both ways. On that note: When my parents divorced, the court granted custody to my dad. It does happen, and happens a lot more than one might think. And then, it was discussed between my parents that it would be best that we grow up with my mother... why? Because she is much more nurturing. Ha! I will not bother addressing the other topics brought up in this thread. They were already addressed well or are just circumstances of individuals who decide their own fate (a man choosing not leave an abusive relationship for fear of ridicule? That is their own fate). joshrocks2245

It doesn't make sense though if a women doesn't want the child she is still given the child.
Thats like if a women is abusing her children and they have proof, but they still let her keep the child.

So they just let the women keep the child no matter what because she carried the child in her womb??
Can't a father be good to his kids, and raise them good??

I have chosen to never be a father because I wouldn't want my child taken away from me, and I think it's unbelievable how badly men are discriminated against. No one thinks it's a problem that most men don't have their children, and even if the mother is extremely abusive, she still gets to keep the children.

Well men do leave abusive relationships, but if they tell the cops the women was abusive usually the cops will just laugh and they don't do anything about it.

No it really doesn't. But majority of divorce cases are not due to abuse. Its because the parents have irreconcilable differences or because of cheating. Both circumstances do not dictate parental capacity. On that note, the court will be the deciding factor. Reality is, majority of these cases have joint custody. You hear one or two crazy extreme stories and then suddenly a thread like this pops up.

I have given you a perfect example (MINE) of when the court has granted custody to the father over the mother. It happens too.

If you chose never to be a father because you fear your children be taken away from you - then that is a sad way to live. And I must question why you see yourself getting a divorce and losing custody of the children. WHAT DID YOU DO?

Your last statement is just an assumption... and if it is not, then that is the man's issue (or yours) for not reporting abuse.

Only in the court system.

Only in the court system.

Theokhoth

thats not discrimination. what youre describing is a double standard, and yes i think there is a double standard against men.

What's BS is that Men have no say about to have a children or not....loco145

I'd just post a picture of a laughing face smiley, since I feel that would sum up my feelings fairly well, but that would get me modded.

Anyways, no. While there are stereotypes with bad portrayals of men they are far less discriminating than other stereotypes and are outweighed by a biased society that favors men.

[QUOTE="loco145"]What's BS is that Men have no say about to have a children or not....Sajedene

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]I just read through this whole thread. It is hilarious. Great way to wake up. In regards to the court system - which IMO is the strongest argument a man has in regards to discrimination - the courts always to look at what is best for the children -- regardless of why the couple is divorcing. Majority of the time, it is seen that a child is better suited to grow up with the mother than they are with the father. It can be argued that even if the mother doesn't want the child (sadly that is a reality), she is given the child because she carried that child in their womb and birthed that child and gender roles suggest that mother = nurturer thus MUST be the best caregiver between the two. So really, its discrimination that goes both ways. On that note: When my parents divorced, the court granted custody to my dad. It does happen, and happens a lot more than one might think. And then, it was discussed between my parents that it would be best that we grow up with my mother... why? Because she is much more nurturing. Ha! I will not bother addressing the other topics brought up in this thread. They were already addressed well or are just circumstances of individuals who decide their own fate (a man choosing not leave an abusive relationship for fear of ridicule? That is their own fate). Sajedene

It doesn't make sense though if a women doesn't want the child she is still given the child.
Thats like if a women is abusing her children and they have proof, but they still let her keep the child.

So they just let the women keep the child no matter what because she carried the child in her womb??
Can't a father be good to his kids, and raise them good??

I have chosen to never be a father because I wouldn't want my child taken away from me, and I think it's unbelievable how badly men are discriminated against. No one thinks it's a problem that most men don't have their children, and even if the mother is extremely abusive, she still gets to keep the children.

Well men do leave abusive relationships, but if they tell the cops the women was abusive usually the cops will just laugh and they don't do anything about it.

No it really doesn't. But majority of divorce cases are not due to abuse. Its because the parents have irreconcilable differences or because of cheating. Both circumstances do not dictate parental capacity. On that note, the court will be the deciding factor. Reality is, majority of these cases have joint custody. You hear one or two crazy extreme stories and then suddenly a thread like this pops up.

I have given you a perfect example (MINE) of when the court has granted custody to the father over the mother. It happens too.

If you chose never to be a father because you fear your children be taken away from you - then that is a sad way to live. And I must question why you see yourself getting a divorce and losing custody of the children. WHAT DID YOU DO?

Your last statement is just an assumption... and if it is not, then that is the man's issue (or yours) for not reporting abuse.

Usually the court does take the womens side though. It's been proven and most men don't have their children.

Well the other reasons I don't want to be a father is: The women could lie about me and make up stories that I abused her then I would be sent to prison. she could divorce me and she could take all my stuff including my house and the kids, and then I would have to move in some small apartment and pay child support, and I know I'll never have a good job. I'll probably end up being a janitor at taco bell or something, and then if I can't pay for child support I'll be on the news and I'll be called a deadbeat dad. Then I'll probably be fired and then I'll be sent to jail.
Yeah no thanks, thats not the life I want.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]I'm horrible at CS. And because I'm horrible at it, I spend most of my time dead. And because of that, I don't enjoy it. And because I don't enjoy it, I don't play it much. And because of that, I'm horrible at it. It's a vicious circle. >_>tofu-lion91