Are men discriminated against??

[QUOTE="Epic__Lulz"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]It's his kid as well. Why should the child suffer while dad parties (or mom if the case is reversed).

Toriko42

That's his choice. The father should provide 3/4 of the necessities for the child. If he doesnt want to be in the life of child that's fine. It doesn't even take 1k a month to raise 1 child. If it does you are doing something wrong

The Person who has custody can get a job. 1k is alot of money for a child. If the person who has custody can't provide for the child then it should be given to the other person and if that person can't look after it then it should become a ward of the state

[QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="Epic__Lulz"]

That's his choice. The father should provide 3/4 of the necessities for the child. If he doesnt want to be in the life of child that's fine. It doesn't even take 1k a month to raise 1 child. If it does you are doing something wrong

Epic__Lulz

The Person who has custody can get a job. 1k is alot of money for a child. If the person who has custody can't provide for the child then it should be given to the other person and if that person can't look after it then it should become a ward of the state

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You heard a case? Not exactly proof. The courts look at income dude. If mom has custody she has to pay for the child...just not court mandated. And as I've tried to get through to you....kids are very expensive and being the custodial parent generally (unless one was with a millionaire) costs more.

LJS9502_basic

Yeah it is proof because I am not lying, it's a proven fact. Yeah and if the man can't pay all the money he gets sent to jail and he has to pay more and all that stuff. There was a man who killed him self because he had no money left because he had to pay so much for child support.
Do you think thats wrong?? And don't say it's his fault because he brought a child into the world, the women is also responsible for bringing the child into the world.

Again what I think is wrong is for a parent NOT to provide for their child. Deadbeats get NO sympathy from me. I don't want to have to raise their child through my tax dollars because they are not working. I have my own child to raise thank you very much.

Dude I posted the youtube video but you didn't watch it, there was proof in there. Yeah it's wrong for a parent not to provide for their child, but it's wrong for a man to be forced to pay so much money when he has a bad job.
Lets say a man gets payed like 500 bucks a month and he is forced to pay 1000 dollars a month for child support, how is that right??
I would probably be forced to pay that much even if I didn't have a job.

[QUOTE="Epic__Lulz"]

[QUOTE="Toriko42"] Are you kidding? You got to support yourself to, pay rent, pay utilities, pay for food, a thousand a month is very little...In fact that's near the poverty level in America I think for a medium sized family. LJS9502_basic

The Person who has custody can get a job. 1k is alot of money for a child. If the person who has custody can't provide for the child then it should be given to the other person and if that person can't look after it then it should become a ward of the state

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

@LJ: Yeah see the deatbeat is jailed because he couldn't pay all the child support. That isn't wrong?? Then the wife doesn't let the man see his own child.
I see why some men kill them selves, they get screwed over by the courts and it makes me sick.

@Saje: Yeah but she has all the money from the husband, she may have to take care of the kid but at least she can see it.

You guys don't see any male discrimination do you?? Theres so much proof and it's so easy to find, all kinds of males are always discriminated against.
You know I used to think all deadbeat dads were all horrible men until I heard of the myth of the deadbeat dad, all people think that men have great jobs and can pay thousands of dollars a month for their kid.
I'll never ever try to have kids, I never want to be screwed over by the courts.

It seems to be a womens world, not a mans.

LJS9502_basic

Yeah a man being forced to pay 5k a month for a child when he has a job at mcdonalds is not discrimination?? Yeah okay.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

@LJ: Yeah see the deatbeat is jailed because he couldn't pay all the child support. That isn't wrong?? Then the wife doesn't let the man see his own child.
I see why some men kill them selves, they get screwed over by the courts and it makes me sick.

@Saje: Yeah but she has all the money from the husband, she may have to take care of the kid but at least she can see it.

You guys don't see any male discrimination do you?? Theres so much proof and it's so easy to find, all kinds of males are always discriminated against.
You know I used to think all deadbeat dads were all horrible men until I heard of the myth of the deadbeat dad, all people think that men have great jobs and can pay thousands of dollars a month for their kid.
I'll never ever try to have kids, I never want to be screwed over by the courts.

It seems to be a womens world, not a mans.

joshrocks2245

Yeah a man being forced to pay 5k a month for a child when he has a job at mcdonalds is not discrimination?? Yeah okay.

First off that would never happen

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Epic__Lulz"]

The Person who has custody can get a job. 1k is alot of money for a child. If the person who has custody can't provide for the child then it should be given to the other person and if that person can't look after it then it should become a ward of the state

Epic__Lulz

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

@LJ: Yeah see the deatbeat is jailed because he couldn't pay all the child support. That isn't wrong?? Then the wife doesn't let the man see his own child.
I see why some men kill them selves, they get screwed over by the courts and it makes me sick.

@Saje: Yeah but she has all the money from the husband, she may have to take care of the kid but at least she can see it.

You guys don't see any male discrimination do you?? Theres so much proof and it's so easy to find, all kinds of males are always discriminated against.
You know I used to think all deadbeat dads were all horrible men until I heard of the myth of the deadbeat dad, all people think that men have great jobs and can pay thousands of dollars a month for their kid.
I'll never ever try to have kids, I never want to be screwed over by the courts.

It seems to be a womens world, not a mans.

joshrocks2245

Yeah a man being forced to pay 5k a month for a child when he has a job at mcdonalds is not discrimination?? Yeah okay.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

@LJ: Yeah see the deatbeat is jailed because he couldn't pay all the child support. That isn't wrong?? Then the wife doesn't let the man see his own child.
I see why some men kill them selves, they get screwed over by the courts and it makes me sick.

@Saje: Yeah but she has all the money from the husband, she may have to take care of the kid but at least she can see it.

You guys don't see any male discrimination do you?? Theres so much proof and it's so easy to find, all kinds of males are always discriminated against.
You know I used to think all deadbeat dads were all horrible men until I heard of the myth of the deadbeat dad, all people think that men have great jobs and can pay thousands of dollars a month for their kid.
I'll never ever try to have kids, I never want to be screwed over by the courts.

It seems to be a womens world, not a mans.

joshrocks2245

Yeah a man being forced to pay 5k a month for a child when he has a job at mcdonalds is not discrimination?? Yeah okay.

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Providing for the child is NOT discrimination. Period.

Epic__Lulz

Yeah a man being forced to pay 5k a month for a child when he has a job at mcdonalds is not discrimination?? Yeah okay.

First off that would never happen

Yeah it already has happened. Thats why some men get thrown in jail for not paying child support. It's not possible for a man to pay 5k a month for child support when he doesn't even make that much.
The courts should find a man a better job if they want to force him to pay that much.

[QUOTE="Epic__Lulz"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I would like to see you live decently on 1k a month.

LJS9502_basic

It's called Putting the child on Insurance. Mother gets a job pays for rent.

If they can't afford insurance then that's life

[QUOTE="Epic__Lulz"]

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

Yeah a man being forced to pay 5k a month for a child when he has a job at mcdonalds is not discrimination?? Yeah okay.

joshrocks2245

First off that would never happen

Yeah it already has happened. Thats why some men get thrown in jail for not paying child support. It's not possible for a man to pay 5k a month for child support when he doesn't even make that much.
The courts should find a man a better job if they want to force him to pay that much.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Epic__Lulz"] You can raise a child on 1k a month. umm a child doesnt eat 800 dollars worth of food . Clothes last at least 6 months. 1k is still absurd

Epic__Lulz

It's called Putting the child on Insurance. Mother gets a job pays for rent.

If they can't afford insurance then that's life

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Providing for the child is NOT discrimination. Period.

Sajedene

Yeah a man being forced to pay 5k a month for a child when he has a job at mcdonalds is not discrimination?? Yeah okay.

Well I've already said what I wanted to and theres no more to say about this topic I guess.
I just believe that men are discriminated against and always will be.

Yeah it is a great service to the world that I don't want children, I don't really care if the rest of the world doesn't care or does care if I have kids, I think about my self and how I would be screwed over if I had kids.

[QUOTE="Epic__Lulz"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Where is the child to live? What about doctor visits, medicine, etc.

LJS9502_basic

It's called Putting the child on Insurance. Mother gets a job pays for rent.

If they can't afford insurance then that's life

Jobs provide insurance.

If you can't afford insurance then that's life like 47 million americans

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Epic__Lulz"]

It's called Putting the child on Insurance. Mother gets a job pays for rent.

If they can't afford insurance then that's life

Epic__Lulz

Jobs provide insurance.

If you can't afford insurance then that's life like 47 million americans

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

[QUOTE="Epic__Lulz"]

First off that would never happen

LJS9502_basic

Yeah it already has happened. Thats why some men get thrown in jail for not paying child support. It's not possible for a man to pay 5k a month for child support when he doesn't even make that much.
The courts should find a man a better job if they want to force him to pay that much.

Yeah it is reality, dude I've seen the facts.
Yeah they can go to court but if they don't they are sent to prison and probably fired from their job, then how do they pay for their kid??

See thats how the courts work, they just screw the man over and over again until he is living on the street.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

Yeah it already has happened. Thats why some men get thrown in jail for not paying child support. It's not possible for a man to pay 5k a month for child support when he doesn't even make that much.
The courts should find a man a better job if they want to force him to pay that much.

joshrocks2245

Yeah it is reality, dude I've seen the facts.
Yeah they can go to court but if they don't they are sent to prison and probably fired from their job, then how do they pay for their kid??

See thats how the courts work, they just screw the man over and over again until he is living on the street.

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Why are you not listening? Child support is based on income. And if one has a downturn in income they go back to court. You just want to continue believing this for some reason I can't fathom. But it's not reality.

LJS9502_basic

Yeah it is reality, dude I've seen the facts.
Yeah they can go to court but if they don't they are sent to prison and probably fired from their job, then how do they pay for their kid??

See thats how the courts work, they just screw the man over and over again until he is living on the street.

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Why are you not listening? Child support is based on income. And if one has a downturn in income they go back to court. You just want to continue believing this for some reason I can't fathom. But it's not reality.

LJS9502_basic

Yeah it is reality, dude I've seen the facts.
Yeah they can go to court but if they don't they are sent to prison and probably fired from their job, then how do they pay for their kid??

See thats how the courts work, they just screw the man over and over again until he is living on the street.

Why not?? The youtube video shows the facts.
Just search for the myth of the deadbeat dad on google, you will see all kinds of facts.

[ You're wasting your time on this one... I bet he never even clicked on the links I posted... maybe I should find youtube videos.

Sajedene

[QUOTE="Epic__Lulz"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Yeah....and you have to pay for insurance.;)

LJS9502_basic

Jobs provide insurance.

If you can't afford insurance then that's life like 47 million americans

150 - food

100- health insurance

100- clothes ? boy that kid balla new clothes ever month

100 - rent

80 - gas for running child around

20- for new toy

$550

I don't know where the rest of the 450 dollars goes

Yes I did click the links. No one even has clicked on my links in this thread, so why bother posting any more links.
If people don't want to see the facts and truth then thats fine.

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

Yeah a man being forced to pay 5k a month for a child when he has a job at mcdonalds is not discrimination?? Yeah okay.

joshrocks2245

Well I've already said what I wanted to and theres no more to say about this topic I guess.
I just believe that men are discriminated against and always will be.

Yeah it is a great service to the world that I don't want children, I don't really care if the rest of the world doesn't care or does care if I have kids, I think about my self and how I would be screwed over if I had kids.

Translation: Screw you guys, I'm going home!

Damn, I guess that means he wins the debate.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Epic__Lulz"]

Jobs provide insurance.

If you can't afford insurance then that's life like 47 million americans

Epic__Lulz

150 - food

100- health insurance

100- clothes ? boy that kid balla new clothes ever month

100 - rent

80 - gas for running child around

20- for new toy

$550

I don't know where the rest of the 450 dollars goes

[QUOTE="Epic__Lulz"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Not all jobs provide insurance and today it's more common than rare that the employee has to pay into the insurance.

LJS9502_basic

150 - food

100- health insurance

100- clothes ? boy that kid balla new clothes ever month

100 - rent

80 - gas for running child around

20- for new toy

$550

I don't know where the rest of the 450 dollars goes

Lol What is the mother doing ? besides there are many other assistance programs she can get.

The mother should pay for the majority of rent and the child support payment should pay for some.

Your best arguement is that the child should pay more for rent?

The mother could live in a nice apartment building for 700 dollars a month

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Epic__Lulz"]Seriously you are telling me that it cost 300 dollars to insure one child give me a break

150 - food

100- health insurance

100- clothes ? boy that kid balla new clothes ever month

100 - rent

80 - gas for running child around

20- for new toy

$550

I don't know where the rest of the 450 dollars goes

Epic__Lulz

Lol What is the mother doing ? besides there are many other assistance programs she can get.

The mother should pay for the majority of rent and the child support payment should pay for some.

Your best arguement is that the child should pay more for rent?

The mother could live in a nice apartment building for 700 dollars a month

Lol What is the mother doing ? besides there are many other assistance programs she can get.

The mother should pay for the majority of rent and the child support payment should pay for some.

Your best arguement is that the child should pay more for rent?

The mother could live in a nice apartment building for 700 dollars a month

Epic__Lulz

The cost of providing the child includes....shelter, heat, electricity, medical care, clothing, educational expenses, activities, entertainment, food. Both parents should provide a portion of that which is well over 1K if you add it up.

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"] LOL. Okay... lets say the dad does work at McDonalds... his income is taken into consideration. I think we're at a point where you just want to really believe that that is the case. Perhaps it is a great service to the world that you do not want children. This is just becoming a pointless merry go round.

theone86

Well I've already said what I wanted to and theres no more to say about this topic I guess.
I just believe that men are discriminated against and always will be.

Yeah it is a great service to the world that I don't want children, I don't really care if the rest of the world doesn't care or does care if I have kids, I think about my self and how I would be screwed over if I had kids.

Translation: Screw you guys, I'm going home!

Damn, I guess that means he wins the debate.

Yeah well people don't want to read the facts so whatever. I believe what I have heard because they are proven facts.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

Well I've already said what I wanted to and theres no more to say about this topic I guess.
I just believe that men are discriminated against and always will be.

Yeah it is a great service to the world that I don't want children, I don't really care if the rest of the world doesn't care or does care if I have kids, I think about my self and how I would be screwed over if I had kids.

joshrocks2245

Translation: Screw you guys, I'm going home!

Damn, I guess that means he wins the debate.

Yeah well people don't want to read the facts so whatever. I believe what I have heard because they are proven facts.

No, basic is providing basic facts. What you are doing is getting worked up about what you perceive to be a double-standard based off some video you saw on YouTube.

[QUOTE="loco145"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]You do know after the baby comes out you have to take care of it right? (Breast) feed it, change the diaper x times a day, burp it, buy it clothes, teach it to walk, to talk, teach it morals, help it sleep when it wakes up x times a night because of colic, take it to the doctor for shots, take it to the doctor because it has a cough, etc etc until they move out of the house... and sometimes that is not the case when they reach 21.Sajedene

By the way if you guys don't think men are discriminated against, just read this: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1058111132247_51/
It says how more men are abused then women and how no one does much for them.

Also read this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5109310/Womens-refuges-told-to-help-male-domestic-violence-victims-or-lose-their-funding.html
It's about how some women shelter places don't accept men, and help is only gave to women and children.

So does anyone think this is wrong?? I really can't believe how much men are discriminated against, it makes me sick to my stomach and I just think people need to know about this.

By the way if you guys don't think men are discriminated against, just read this:
It says how more men are abused then women and how no one does much for them.

Also read this:
It's about how some women shelter places don't accept men, and help is only gave to women and children.

So does anyone think this is wrong?? I really can't believe how much men are discriminated against, it makes me sick to my stomach and I just think people need to know about this.

joshrocks2245

Uh...yeah the fact that it's a women's shelter is why dude. They usually aren't set up to be co ed.:|

It's about how some women shelter places don't accept men, and help is only gave to women and children.

So does anyone think this is wrong?? I really can't believe how much men are discriminated against, it makes me sick to my stomach and I just think people need to know about this.

joshrocks2245

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]It's about how some women shelter places don't accept men, and help is only gave to women and children.

So does anyone think this is wrong?? I really can't believe how much men are discriminated against, it makes me sick to my stomach and I just think people need to know about this.

Sajedene

It says how more men are abused then womenjoshrocks2245

@LJ: Yeah sometimes she gets arrested if the guy is beaten. Not all cops believe men though, thats been proven. Yeah so why aren't there mens shelters for abused men then?? Tell me that. Is it because people still think all men are like 300 pounds and 7 feet tall, and that they can't be beaten up by any female?? So if I have a girlfriend and she is beating me up, and the cops don't believe me, what am I supposed to do??
Just go live on the street??

@Saje: Yeah but men need shelters too. Do you think it's a good thing that when a women is abused she hates like all men and doesn't want to be around them?? What about men when they are abused??
Usually cops won't believe the men and I have heard in many cases that the women kicks the guy out of his house, when he is abused.
Thats why I never will get married, I know even if I am a great husband and if I marry the wrong type of girl, my whole life could be screwed up.
No courts would be on my side, no cops, no body would be.

So tell me where should men go if they are in a abusive relationship??

Yeah they are discriminated against, but it all depends where you live. In many areas women are still treated really poorly.Faber_Fighter

They are discriminated against pretty much everywhere.

I think it's sad how when some men are abused no one helps them out, and some people call the men wimps because they were abused by a women.
I think that is discrimination.

I would really like to know why cops think it's funny when women abuse men, I've heard that some cops laugh if a man complains about being beaten up by a women.
It's such a sad thing. In school I was bullied by lots of girls, there was one time I was pushed down and hit my head off the cement and the teachers didn't do anything.
Thats pretty much the reason I can never have a relationship, if I get beaten up theres nothing I can do about it.