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#101 trust_nobody
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[QUOTE="trust_nobody"]

[QUOTE="Assassin1349"] Because I can. Snipes_2



:lol: Says the person who wastes his own time. I've noticed you do that a lot.

Sadly, though this is a good idea, I do not have any questions other than, what age did you make the change? I'm sure this has been asked but there's like 5 pages to scroll through on this thread.

I think he said 13/14.



Interesting. I imagine that would mean there had to be parental consent? Which is a whole other question right there. How did the parental figures handle that? Assuming there were parental figures...

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#102 Snipes_2
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I was close. :P

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#103 Lockedge
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[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

The only literal, truly transgendered are hermpahrodites. Otherwise, you're just playing dress up and/ or getting surgery.

Trashface
Heh. Well, "transgender" is a vast umbrella term containing a lot of "labels". Gender-queer, transvestite, etc. It's why I try to keep transsexualism related, but rather detached from the term transgender, as transsexualism is more related to the intersexed birth condition(or as you put it, hermaphroditic)..basically to the physical condition of one's body. There's vast scientific proof behind transsexualism being a biological condition caused in utero by a malfunction in hormones during the development of the brain and body. Surgery, technically, doesn't change anything for a transsexual aside from a letter on our personal ID. We've always been the gender we identify with and (in my words, not speaking for all transsexuals) it's simply fixing a birth defect with our sex.

If it's a birth defect, it can't be "fixed" by simply putting down the letter of the sex you'd prefer to be. There are many other birth defects and they cannot be cured by just wishing them away. You're a male who wishes they were female due to a hormone imbalance. You can't always get or be what you want.

Oh sure, i won't be able to give birth, and I won't have ovaries or whatnot, and the surgery will be purely cosmetic. That's basically my point though. Like I said, all it changed is the letter on our ID, in my case from M to F. It won't change my gender, I've always been a woman. It will change my 'sex' from M to F, that's it. I am not defined by what's between my legs, and I'm sorry you feel that's how I should be defined, but you're incorrect on that matter. And no, I'm not wishing them away. I'm doing the best I can with what I have. I'm using electrolysis to remove facial and body hair. Hormones to offer a more feminine tone to my face and body. I've always talked like a girl, so that's easy enough, and modifying the pitch and tone of my voice brings the register up to a more passable sound. I'm ok with who I am as a person, but the physical appearance I was given is something I'm not comfortable with so I'm changing it. That isn't wishing it away. I'm not asking for some wizard to wave a magic wand, I'm working to improve my life.
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#104 FUBAR24
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I'm all for following your heart..and ima let you finish n all...but i have the biggest heart of all time..of ALL TIME!!...

kidding...:P..i'm tired..night peoples..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

hahaha that made me lol

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#105 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I'm all for following your heart..and ima let you finish n all...but i have the biggest heart of all time..of ALL TIME!!...

kidding...:P..i'm tired..night peoples..

FUBAR24

hahaha that made me lol

I like making people lol..anyway...night..

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#106 FUBAR24
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="trust_nobody"]

:lol: Says the person who wastes his own time. I've noticed you do that a lot.

Sadly, though this is a good idea, I do not have any questions other than, what age did you make the change? I'm sure this has been asked but there's like 5 pages to scroll through on this thread.

trust_nobody

I think he said 13/14.



Interesting. I imagine that would mean there had to be parental consent? Which is a whole other question right there. How did the parental figures handle that? Assuming there were parental figures...

no no i havnt actually started transitioning yet. i dont plan on starting for a few more months because money is tight and transitioning is expensive

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#107 trust_nobody
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[QUOTE="trust_nobody"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

I think he said 13/14.

FUBAR24



Interesting. I imagine that would mean there had to be parental consent? Which is a whole other question right there. How did the parental figures handle that? Assuming there were parental figures...

no no i havnt actually started transitioning yet. i dont plan on starting for a few more months because money is tight and transitioning is expensive



Ok, well I guess then a better question would be how do your parents deal with the situation? Are they supportive or do they not know? I'm sorry I'm sure this is redundant.

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#108 FUBAR24
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[QUOTE="FUBAR24"]

[QUOTE="trust_nobody"]

Interesting. I imagine that would mean there had to be parental consent? Which is a whole other question right there. How did the parental figures handle that? Assuming there were parental figures...

trust_nobody

no no i havnt actually started transitioning yet. i dont plan on starting for a few more months because money is tight and transitioning is expensive



Ok, well I guess then a better question would be how do your parents deal with the situation? Are they supportive or do they not know? I'm sorry I'm sure this is redundant.

my mom is supportive but my dad doesnt know

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#109 Lockedge
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[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="clayron"]How & when did you begin to recognize that you felt different in regards to your gender? Did you immediately decide to begin identifying better with the gender you felt more comfortable with? If not, what gave you the confidence to finally do it? What type of issues do you deal with as a transgender? Any are there any other things would you like to discuss. The reason I ask is because of all the things in the world transgenders are one of the few things that make me uncomfortable, and I would like to become informed about transgender so that I can get the hell over my own prejudice. majoras_wrath

I If you have any other questions, or feel I haven't answered one well enough, please, ask away. Anything to spread knowledge.

I don't want to sound condescending, and I'm sure you've heard it before, but that's awesome that you are willing to go out there and be who you want to be, even in this horribly bigoted and ignorant world.

One question I do have is: How do you go about finding people you're attracted to and are willing to date someone who is at least at one point biologically speaking a man? Because, to be completely honest, if I found out that I was dating a transgendered I would not feel comfortable and probably would be fairly upset. This would be nothing against the person, more that I am a straight male and as such naturally am a little homophobic to the extent that I would never be attracted to them.

I'm sorry if the question came across as a little rude, especially after my opening paragraph.

Unfortunately it's a thorny issue. I think there won't be an easy answer until the masses are educated on transsexualism. People these days are defined by what's between their legs, because that works the vast majority of the time. However, for 1 in 30,000 or so people, it doesn't work that way, and that's tricky. In my mind, I've never felt male, ever. I've looked it, but I've never considered myself to be one, and it pains me that the legal system forces me to write M under sex instead of F under gender. I can understand the shock and surprise and possible anger from people who would find out. It's tricky telling anyone about it, because as a transsexual, you HAVE to be cautious about anyone you don't know or trust. One wrong move, and you're a statistic under homicide. Coming out at the start of the first date, or even before a first date in some cases, can alienate you from any willing participant. They won't get to know you as a person, so this offers the least chance of success, as most people don't know anything about transsexualism. Telling them early on after they've gotten to know you can provide better results as they've learned about you and know you as a human being. However, their feelings towards you may have increased, and if they've fantasized sexually about you, they might lash out in angerm and that's dangerous. Literally, the further into the relationship, the more violent the outburst would probably be if there was one, however the longer you go in, the better chances of that person accepting you as you are. It's a dangerous game. You might have good luck and have someone stand by you and your past. You might have someone go "I don't know if I can deal with this" and leave you, which is bad luck in context, but not too bad. Then you might have someone beat the everliving crap out of you until you're seriously wounded or dead. That would be the worst case scenario, even if it isn't all that rare. The shorter the relationship, the less they feel betrayed. Fact is, we(MtF) don't want people to think of us as former men, because to us...we never were men. Just born with a penis and testicles, pumping testosterone through our bodies. Something we fix as well as we can, and hope to put behind us for the most part. We want people to accept us for who we are, tha's it. As for finding people willing to accept us...it's a crapshoot. We'd obviously stay away from people who are openly homophobic, but nearly everything else is really hard. Ypu're not being condescending. It's a fair question, even if it's accompanied by a harsh reality.. :)
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#110 Lockedge
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[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

So..you like...guys..or..am i misinterpreting...?..I just find this odd..no offense..i understand where you're coming from though...

Trashface

I personally am minutely attracted to guys. I have issues finding myself attracted to the male body as it reminds me of what I was given at birth. I've gotten better about it in recent years, especially as my transition has progressed. I'm sure I'll have enough attraction to guys when I'm fully transitioned as I'll be able to put my past image behind me, but right now it's at a lesser stage. No dating for me right now. :P Be be real concise, I've never been a male, I've only had the body of one. I've always had the mind of a heterosexual female.

Body of a male= male. Good thing you don't think you're a falcon trapped in a man's body or you may have leaped from a cliff by now.

hrm. Hayhaps if I were, I would have been lucky enough to airstrike some fecal matter onto you. Honestly, read a book on transsexualism or something. You're spouting off nonsense without knowing anything about it.

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#111 PeaceChild90
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[QUOTE="FUBAR24"][QUOTE="RearNakedChoke"]

Wait, I'm being serious here. Does that make you a lesbian?

Trashface

yes it would

The dictionary disagrees. Lesbians are female.

She is female.

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#112 Lockedge
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[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="FUBAR24"] yes it wouldPeaceChild90

The dictionary disagrees. Lesbians are female.

She is female.

Exactly. :)
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#113 ariz3260
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Interesting topic, and thank you for sharing your experience.

When I was still undergrad a psychology professor of mine invited me to a cross-dresser group meeting. After regaining my composure (my professor didn't tell me before hand who I was going to meet. Just imagine yourself walking into a roomful of men dressing in women's clothing with wearing make-up, completely unprepare...), my professor proceeded to did a little presentation on something I can't recall exactly. I remember some of the folks there were completely comfortable with themselves and have no trouble opening up to others (myself), and some were obviously haven't quite come to term with it yet. There were a few women there as well, but they were not that vocal and I thought they were a bit out of place in such meeting. Overall the evening went fairly well I think, maybe it was all in my head but I can't help but feel I was getting a bit too much attention from some of the guys there...

Later on my professor told me these folks had to deal with quite a lot in their lives. Basically cross-dressing is just a common ground these folks share. Some only had a fondness for dressing in women's cloth but some actually wanted to go through with the sex-change procedure. To make it more complicated, some of the folks who wanted to change their genders wanted to be in or already was in a relationship with women. First off, how would they classified their relationship? Heterosexual or homosexual? If they are in a relationship already, how would their wife or girlfriend take it? When they got married they probably did not anticipate their husband/bf wanted to have a sex-change. It would be easier to just leave the relationship, but if they decided to support the choice of their husband/bf, does that by default make them lesbians? Besides having to determine their own sexual orientation and gender, they also have to deal with the people they care about in their lives. These folks came a long way indeed.

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#114 Bobzfamily
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[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="FUBAR24"] yes it wouldPeaceChild90

The dictionary disagrees. Lesbians are female.

She is female.

Seconded. She's a female born with a man's sexual organs.

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#115 MgamerBD
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Are you gonna be a sexy lady? Also why do you feel the need to transform your gender?
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#116 CommanderShiro
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Lol so Wolls brought up a good idea in the post your face thread. since it seems im prolly the only transgendered person here i thought i would give you guys the chance to ask me any questions you may have. please try to keep the comments and questions appropriate and dont worry it takes a lot to offend me so id be happy to answer as long as youre polite. oh and as long as you dont call me it

FUBAR24

Are you the same user who had this anime girl as a sig with the caption "She used to be a male too"...? If not, that person is a transgender too.

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#117 Lockedge
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[QUOTE="FUBAR24"]

Lol so Wolls brought up a good idea in the post your face thread. since it seems im prolly the only transgendered person here i thought i would give you guys the chance to ask me any questions you may have. please try to keep the comments and questions appropriate and dont worry it takes a lot to offend me so id be happy to answer as long as youre polite. oh and as long as you dont call me it

CommanderShiro

Are you the same user who had this anime girl as a sig with the caption "She used to be a male too"...? If not, that person is a transgender too.

That would be HoffmanSony, probably. Only other transperson I know on GS that's somewhat active and not in this thread.
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#118 thriteenthmonke
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[QUOTE="Lockedge"] That would be HoffmanSony, probably. Only other transperson I know on GS that's somewhat active and not in this thread.

Yeah I think that's HoffmanSony.
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#119 GioVela2010
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WEIRD! Up until today you were just the dude I argued with about our cars

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#120 No_Hablo_Ingles
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I find this topic very interesting... people seem supportive... but this is the internet...

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#121 PeaceChild90
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Are you gonna be a sexy lady? Also why do you feel the need to transform your gender?MgamerBD

Her sex right now is male, and her gender is female.

No one seems to know the difference between sex and gender.

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oh...my...god
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#123 Trashface
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[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Lilyanne46"]

You know sometimes the dictionary is the definition of your true heart. Plus, don't always put your trust inside that. You don't know what it's like in someone else's shoes. :?

Lilyanne46

So I should shut down my brain and pretend it's a world where we can magically be whatever we say? If I want to be an astronaut, can I go around telling people I'm one? I'm a grown man. I realize human's have limitations. This seems nothing more than people not accepting who and what they are. I can buy the space suit, but I'm no astronaut.

You, just, don't get it. And astronauts =/= transgender whether you're giving an example or not.

And being grown doesn't mean you can never be what you want to be. Just trust your gut and follow your heart and you'll get there.

There are some things you cannot be whether you want to or not. I can't decide to be a unicorn. I can put on a dress, but it doesn't make me female. The lady that got the operation and got pregnant was called a pregnant man, but in reality, she was just a pregnant woman with a beard. Also, to the mod who deleted my message and took points from me giving the reason that I was posting to annoy, I can assure you I was merely joining in a debate and was not doing it to annoy. Just because someone disagrees with you, it does not mean they're trolling, nor does it mean you can use your authority to silence them. I did nothing that deserved modding. Further unjust modding will cause me to contact admin.
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#124 Trashface
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[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Lockedge"] The dictionary disagrees. Lesbians are female.Lockedge

She is female.

Seconded. She's a female born with a man's sexual organs.

Females aren't born with man's organs. The physical body determines the sex. Now you're trying to contradict medical science. From everything I've gathered, he's a male that wishes he was female.

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#125 PeaceChild90
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[QUOTE="Lockedge"]

[QUOTE="Trashface"]

She is female.

Trashface

Seconded. She's a female born with a man's sexual organs.

Females aren't born with man's organs. The physical body determines the sex. Now you're trying to contradict medical science.

No he isn't contradicting medical science.

The OP knows she was born physically male, but her gender(which is female) doesn't match her body.

So in other words, she is trying to get her sex to match her gender. It's not that hard to understand.

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#126 jimmyjammer69
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Are there other interesting things about you? I'm not trying to be rude, I only ask because the only transgendered person I know well is a woman --> man I used to work with, and she was a dreadfully dreary person save for the sex change op.
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#127 No_Hablo_Ingles
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Pardon my ignorance but what's the difference between Sex and Gender?

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#128 Trashface
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[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]Are you gonna be a sexy lady? Also why do you feel the need to transform your gender?PeaceChild90

Her sex right now is male, and her gender is female.

No one seems to know the difference between sex and gender.

According to the dictionary, sex and gender mean the same thing. Of course, we're in a society where people use words improperly until they actually change the definition of the word, but as for now, the dictionary defines gender as their sex. Definition #2 in the entry I read.
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#129 Trashface
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Pardon my ignorance but what's the difference between Sex and Gender?

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There is none according to the dictionary.
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#130 Trashface
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[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Lockedge"]

Seconded. She's a female born with a man's sexual organs.

PeaceChild90

Females aren't born with man's organs. The physical body determines the sex. Now you're trying to contradict medical science.

No he isn't contradicting medical science.

The OP knows she was born physically male, but her gender(which is female) doesn't match her body.

So in other words, she is trying to get her sex to match her gender. It's not that hard to understand.

That's pure nonsense..according to actual definitions. These theories are created to help enable people who wish to be something they're not achieve the illusion of becoming.
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#131 No_Hablo_Ingles
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[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]

Pardon my ignorance but what's the difference between Sex and Gender?

There is none according to the dictionary.

Thanks, I thought so... Quite a few people posted something like "Her sex is male, her gender is female," and I got really confused.
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#132 Trashface
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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]

Pardon my ignorance but what's the difference between Sex and Gender?

There is none according to the dictionary.

Thanks, I thought so... Quite a few people posted something like "Her sex is male, her gender is female," and I got really confused.

It's just people trying to rationalize and facilitate their want for there to be a choice.
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#133 PeaceChild90
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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="Trashface"] There is none according to the dictionary.Trashface
Thanks, I thought so... Quite a few people posted something like "Her sex is male, her gender is female," and I got really confused.

It's just people trying to rationalize and facilitate their want for there to be a choice.

Wow. Gender is a social construct. Gender is between the ears, not the legs. Why don't you do a little more research besides a dictionary before coming to such a conclusion?

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#134 Trashface
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[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"] Thanks, I thought so... Quite a few people posted something like "Her sex is male, her gender is female," and I got really confused.PeaceChild90

It's just people trying to rationalize and facilitate their want for there to be a choice.

Wow. Gender is a social construct. Gender is between the ears, not the legs. Why don't you do a little more research besides a dictionary before coming to such a conclusion?

I did research. I looked up actual definitions. Your theories are created by people with a social agenda in mind. These are people that will change whatever they have to in order to facilitate their beliefs.
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#135 Snipes_2
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I think this means he has an Extra X chromosome maybE?

Not Sure.

"In particular he defined transsexuals on a scale called the "Benjamin Scale", which defines a few different levels of intensity of transsexualism; these are listed as "Transsexual (nonsurgical)", "True Transsexual (moderate intensity)", and "True Transsexual (high intensity)".[17]Many transsexuals believe that to be a true transsexual one needs to have a desire for surgery.[18]However, it is notable that Benjamin's moderate intensity "true transsexual" needs estrogen medication as a "substitute for or preliminary to operation."[17]There also exist people who have hadsexual reassignment surgery(SRS) but do not meet the definition of a transsexual,"

What would you say you are on the Benjamin Scale?

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#136 Pixel-Pirate
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Out of curiosity, Trashface, why do you care? I mean if you think they're just pretending thats fine, go ahead and think that. But why do you care if they do?

I'm personally happy to see this thread. A friend of mine is MtF.

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#137 Trashface
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Out of curiosity, Trashface, why do you care? I mean if you think they're just pretending thats fine, go ahead and think that. But why do you care if they do?

I'm personally happy to see this thread. A friend of mine is MtF.

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Why does anyone posting here care? Cannot I not join in simply because I believe differently? I can't stop anyone from pretending, but many can't see that they're just pretending.
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#138 Trashface
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The Benjamin scale is non science.
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#139 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Out of curiosity, Trashface, why do you care? I mean if you think they're just pretending thats fine, go ahead and think that. But why do you care if they do?

I'm personally happy to see this thread. A friend of mine is MtF.

Trashface

Why does anyone posting here care? Cannot I not join in simply because I believe differently? I can't stop anyone from pretending, but many can't see that they're just pretending.

I think she's saying that because you're supposed to view this "Positively" and post "Positive" messages.

I believe differently as well, but I just decided not to start a flame war again. :P

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#140 Snipes_2
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The Benjamin scale is non science.Trashface

I'm just curious where they put themselves on it. :?

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#142 PeaceChild90
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Why do you people think she is just making this up? I mean, can you imagine how much hell she has to go through on a daily basis just to live her life?

But yeah, I guess it's just a choice like homosexuality. *sarcasm*

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#143 Trashface
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[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Out of curiosity, Trashface, why do you care? I mean if you think they're just pretending thats fine, go ahead and think that. But why do you care if they do?

I'm personally happy to see this thread. A friend of mine is MtF.

Snipes_2

Why does anyone posting here care? Cannot I not join in simply because I believe differently? I can't stop anyone from pretending, but many can't see that they're just pretending.

I think she's saying that because you're supposed to view this "Positively" and post "Positive" messages.

I believe differently as well, but I just decided not to start a flame war again. :P

Hmmm, I don't say things just because they feel good. I'm a person who tells it like it is, pleasant or not. Genuine, individualistic people are getting more rare.
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#144 Trashface
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Why do you people think she is just making this up? I mean, can you imagine how much hell she has to go through on a daily basis just to live her life?

But yeah, I guess it's just a choice like homosexuality. *sarcasm*

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Ultimately homosexuality has to be acted upon, so yes in the end, it's a choice. If someone is born with the urge to murder due to a biological malformity, they are not a murderer until they actually murder.
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#145 PeaceChild90
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[QUOTE="PeaceChild90"]

Why do you people think she is just making this up? I mean, can you imagine how much hell she has to go through on a daily basis just to live her life?

But yeah, I guess it's just a choice like homosexuality. *sarcasm*

Trashface

Ultimately homosexuality has to be acted upon, so yes in the end, it's a choice. If someone is born with the urge to murder due to a biological malformity, they are not a murderer until they actually murder.

Homosexuality is not all about having sex. It's the attraction to the same sex. Are you seriously comparing a murderer to a homosexual?

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#146 Trashface
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[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="PeaceChild90"]

Why do you people think she is just making this up? I mean, can you imagine how much hell she has to go through on a daily basis just to live her life?

But yeah, I guess it's just a choice like homosexuality. *sarcasm*

PeaceChild90

Ultimately homosexuality has to be acted upon, so yes in the end, it's a choice. If someone is born with the urge to murder due to a biological malformity, they are not a murderer until they actually murder.

Homosexuality is not all about having sex. It's the attraction to the same sex. Are you seriously comparing a murderer to a homosexual?

In case you missed it, my comparison was purely from a genetically stand point. Here are the literal definitions of homosexuality: 1 : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward individuals of one's own sex -compare HETEROSEXUAL 1a 2 : of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between individuals of the same sex -compare HETEROSEXUAL 1b Both of these indicate action. Tendancy to DIRECT...and intercourse. Why do people act as if they can wish words into meaning differently than they're defined?

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[QUOTE="PeaceChild90"]

[QUOTE="Trashface"] Ultimately homosexuality has to be acted upon, so yes in the end, it's a choice. If someone is born with the urge to murder due to a biological malformity, they are not a murderer until they actually murder.Trashface

Homosexuality is not all about having sex. It's the attraction to the same sex. Are you seriously comparing a murderer to a homosexual?

In case you missed it, my comparison was purely from a genetically stand point. Here are the literal definitions of homosexuality: 1 : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward individuals of one's own sex -compare HETEROSEXUAL 1a 2 : of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between individuals of the same sex -compare HETEROSEXUAL 1b Both of these indicate action. Tendancy to DIRECT...and intercourse. Why do people act as if they can wish words into meaning differently than they're defined?

Perhaps you should try rereading definition #1. Notice the word desire?

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#148 PeaceChild90
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[QUOTE="PeaceChild90"]

[QUOTE="Trashface"] Ultimately homosexuality has to be acted upon, so yes in the end, it's a choice. If someone is born with the urge to murder due to a biological malformity, they are not a murderer until they actually murder.Trashface

Homosexuality is not all about having sex. It's the attraction to the same sex. Are you seriously comparing a murderer to a homosexual?

In case you missed it, my comparison was purely from a genetically stand point. Here are the literal definitions of homosexuality: 1 : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward individuals of one's own sex -compare HETEROSEXUAL 1a 2 : of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between individuals of the same sex -compare HETEROSEXUAL 1b Both of these indicate action. Tendancy to DIRECT...and intercourse. Why do people act as if they can wish words into meaning differently than they're defined?

What I was saying is basically the 1st definition you just gave me. It is a sexual desire towards the same sex, but you don't need to act on it to be homosexual. You just are.

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#149 ilovemydog1
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i have a few questions (sorry if these were asked before i only read 2 pages): 1)arent u afraid ull look transgendered after the operation? i mean people might be able to see you wont born female..?this could attract a lot attention to yourself 2) how much is everything gonna cost u? i bet its a lot of money. 3) is the operation really necessary? cant u just stay the way u r now? u can dress anyway u want and save the money the pain 4)u know after the operation it might get harder for u to find a job and stuff many americans arent very open towards transgendered people..
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#150 Trashface
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[QUOTE="Trashface"]

[QUOTE="PeaceChild90"]

Homosexuality is not all about having sex. It's the attraction to the same sex. Are you seriously comparing a murderer to a homosexual?

BumFluff122

In case you missed it, my comparison was purely from a genetically stand point. Here are the literal definitions of homosexuality: 1 : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward individuals of one's own sex -compare HETEROSEXUAL 1a 2 : of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between individuals of the same sex -compare HETEROSEXUAL 1b Both of these indicate action. Tendancy to DIRECT...and intercourse. Why do people act as if they can wish words into meaning differently than they're defined?

Perhaps you should try rereading definition #1. Notice the word desire?

It does not just say desire, it says DIRECTED desire. To direct something towards someone implies action.